30 seconds is all it takes

[Bvbidd]

Of course there are different states of conciousness. lol he's not talking about leveling his pua powers.

Some people are just too immersed and obssesed about their lives and other people to have ever expanded their mind. They are pretty much slaves to lives of others.

Still though acheiving them without drugs is probally not as easy as you guys think it is. Neither is it that sane to do.

 

[The Juan and only]

Of course there are different states of conciousness. lol he's not talking about leveling his pua powers.

Some people are just too immersed and obssesed about their lives and other people to have ever expanded their mind. They are pretty much slaves to lives of others.

Still though acheiving them without drugs is probally not as easy as you guys think it is. Neither is it that sane to do.

Yeah, there are...there's "happy, calm, excited, confident etc". Numbering them is just stupid. tbh I wasn't so much attacking that particular line, more your tone as a whole. The thread had become way to philosophical and I just wanted to give people a wake up call. But only because I love you all.

and you used to be christian?? why is that relevant..

Just take a look at krassus' attitude if you still think he has credibility.

p.s Krassus, your signature link is pretty amusing

 

[rsxtreme]

wow really inspiring!

 

[squirrels]

The attitude to have when approaching any woman is: "I am the BEST thing that could ever happen to this girl."

 

[Krassus]

wow really inspiring!

Thank you

 

[realsmoothie]

I don't understand the animosity in this thread. Why is it such an issue if the conversation occasionally veers towards philosophy, or spiritualism, or self-actualization? The act of "picking up girls" is more than just a bunch of memorized lines, abbreviations, and so on. It has to do with improving self-worth, too, and the concept of belief is central to this.

I actually thought Krassus' original post was rather beautiful. Overwrought, and more than a little fuzzy... but so what? It's meant to be an inspiration, not a technical manual.

I have a friend from Quebec who seems (to me) to take Krassus' strategy to heart... he meets a ton of girls by just walking up to them on the street with that "I only wish the best for you" mentality. A TON of girls. He's dated some seriously beautiful women, many of whom way above his station. Now, his problem is that he continues with this intensity too long, and they stress out when they can't match it.

I think the key here is that he doesn't realize when it's too much. Being intense is great in the beginning, but he doesn't seem to adjust to the girls' own feelings.

The key is balance, as always. It's all well and good to feel for a woman just as a fellow human being, to want to make her life beautiful... but at some point the woman needs a little room.

 

[The Juan and only]

Oh but it's not just about an inspiring thought or philisophy, it's more about krassus' ego and self-deluded fantasy. These are the musings of a KBJ and entirely worthless as practical advice. Having the attitudes he preaches won't make you more attractive to women; and all my experience would disagree with some key points in his post.

Whenever somebody on here starts to sound the trumpets of "It's all so simple. You just have to love..blah blah and blah blah and blah blah blah", everyone follows like a clueless pack of sheep. His article would be better re-worded into a single sentence:

"Have love for yourself, have confidence in whom you are".

Don't think you can deviate too far from the PUAs' advice, because you think you're smarter than them, because you think you know it all. These are the guys who are actually out there, these are the guys with the experience, and I can tell you, EVERYTHING I've seen agrees with their key beliefs.

If you think that picking-up girls for the sake of it is bad advice, if you think you can be happy without them, if you think you are ultimately here to achieve something "greater". Then go to a different forum. Sosuave is about how to get laid. Deal with that.

I'm not knocking the post, I'm just asking people to be real and wake up to the facts. His post has contradictions and provides a mindset which I furiously believe won't help anyone with the pick-up. If you want to explore your spiritual side, then check out a more relevant forum.

You won't go laid as much I can assure you, but hey, you might be happy nonetheless.

 

[realsmoothie]

I could quibble with many a statement in your post, but that right there is perfect evidence of your overly reductive approach to women. If you're going to come on this board and claim it's only about getting tail, there's a ton of posters as well as the entire DJ Bible just waiting as evidence to contradict you.

I stand with myself as evidence. A year ago, I was entirely hopeless with women. In the 365-or-so days since that has changed somewhat... and yet somehow I am not much happier.

Picking up women is only part of the puzzle. If you disagree, fine, but I don't think Krassus' online philosophies are going to turn masses of AFC's into kool-aid drinking suicidals anytime soon.

 

[The Juan and only]

you know you're kind of right, and I didn't mean for my post to sound quite that way.

I simply mean that krassus has taken things too far, to the point that it's not even about picking up women anymore.

I am here to improve myself yes, but I am not here to delude myself. I want success in the real world and I want it for every guy here too.

If you honestly believe what krassus says in his first post -- about picking up women being blah blah, and how you only have to show love for them, then I am 100% certain that you rarely try your hand at picking up women in reality.

The mental masturbations of this guy might help us to feel good, but in the end they will lead you to failure.

 

[Krassus]

His post has contradictions and provides a mindset which I furiously believe won't help anyone with the pick-up.

See, this is what i've been trying to explain to you. It doesn't matter what you believe. Opinions are a dime a dozen. Do you know what the one and only thing that matters is? Facts.

What are the facts here?

1) Can i get prettier women with my methods than the "PUAs" can with theirs?

Yes. I've seen Mystery's girlfriend. When Tyler was in Toronto, many of my friends ran into him and his girl at a club, and described her thoroughly. And you know what? Ego aside, with all honestly, if either one of these girls walked up to me and stood right next to me at the mall, i wouldn't even look at them twice. I know this may sound cold-blooded, but for argument's sake, its still just as valid. I've watched Mystery's videos as well. Generally speaking, the girls he goes after, i don't even bother with.

2) Can i get more numbers/emails (and from prettier girls as stated above) in less time than the "PUAs"?

Yes. My approach takes 30 seconds and has a 50-70% success rate. Their approach takes 15 minutes and has a 30% success rate (hey, they said it). You do the math. By the time they're done talking to one 7 (which is who they usually approach), i could have two contacts in my cell from 8-9's!​

Now, i hope that's settled. You're right on one thing though - i do have an atittude. But i'd like to see how you'd react if i came into your threads, one after another, and started attacking everything you believe in. How would you feel? Regardless, hate me all you want, call me what you will, but don't say that i don't know what i'm talking about. If you're ever in Toronto, please, click that little PM link in the top right -hand corner of the screen and i'll come meet you. I don't mean that in a threatening way - what i mean is that you've never even met me, and are making these grandiose judgements of me as if you've known me my whole life. You don't know me, you've never met me, you've never even spoken to me.

 

[The Juan and only]

you've never even spoken to me.

No, you're right. but I have read your posts.

You are a smart guy (and a master debater/ no jk intended). I agree a lot with many of your points. That was never the issue.

Quite simply that what works for you, certainly doesn't work for me. Imo, your apparent success isn't because of the things you preach, it's due to something else entirely, something nicely summarised in one of my previous posts.

But i'd like to see how you'd react if i came into your threads, one after another, and started attacking everything you believe in

I've only ever commented (with regards to you) in 2 threads. And tbh I think I've been fairly civil in this one.

Don't take my arguments quite so personally in future, criticism is how we grow.

 

[Krassus]

Quite simply that what works for you, certainly doesn't work for me.

Of course not. Your whole mind is against it, and its completely incongruent with the vast majority of your beliefs. It didn't work for me either until something "just clicked." That's why the original post was mainly philosophy, and not a guide to walking up to chicks and walking off with their number in 30 seconds. The latter i've known for awhile, as the likes of Shark, Dimitri, Woodhaven, etc have always preached it. But its the former that i had to put together on my own, and thats what made everything work for me. Shark pointed me in the right direction, and with a good selection of books, months of soul-searching and countless "learning experiences," i finally made it work. The original post was simply the best written explanation of the entire thing that i myself could come up with. The actual mindset behind the words takes many months, if not years to acquire. However, it is by far easier to master than complex seduction methodology, and once you do master it, you'll be able to pick up prettier girls, faster, in any country of the world (try using MM in Europe), and without really "doing anything." Is it the end-all be-all of methods, mindsets, or whatever you wanna call em? I don't know. But it's by far, by far the best i've discovered so far, and if there's anything better out there, i have yet to hear of it.

 

[Passion]

krasus, good reply, but i have 3 questions:
-didn't u say that your tactics don't really work on fobby foreign girls?
-didn't you say you didn't like PUAs yet you talk bout Shark, Dimitri, Woodhaven--who are all PUAs.
-And if your own website is so good, why do you keep posting so much on sosuave?

 

[Krassus]

krasus, good reply, but i have 3 questions:
-didn't u say that your tactics don't really work on fobby foreign girls?
-didn't you say you didn't like PUAs yet you talk bout Shark, Dimitri, Woodhaven--who are all PUAs.
-And if your own website is so good, why do you keep posting so much on sosuave?

1. Didn't i say that years ago? Regardless, what's discussed here would probably work especially well on these chicks. Not that you'd want one of em, but suppose you did...
2. By "PUAs," i refer to Mystery, Tyler, etc. The "naturals" like the ones you mentioned, i just see as... cool guys.
3. Because i feel like it? Honest!

 

[Sean O]

Krassus, I've been reading both this thread and blinkwatt's thread, and I've been trying to find a concise way to describe this mindset you're talking about. This is my best guess so far...

You approach a woman because you want her, but you also realize the importance of reciprocity. Therefore, rather than thinking to yourself, "She can give me what I want. She can make me happy", you think, "We can give each other what we both want. We can make each other happy." You put this to practice by being passionately social person who is genuinely interested in learning about the person in front of him, and by being a giving person (on your own terms, of course) without expecting to get something in return.

Of course, a high level of confidence also has to be thrown into the mix, but you get the picture. Is this a good analysis, or is something incorrect/missing?

 

[The Juan and only]

Sean_O, what you said is, in my opinion, far better and more down to earth than what krassus had to say in his original post. Even so, I really dont think any of this is "the key" per se -- which has been part of my argument all along.

Of course not. Your whole mind is against it, and its completely incongruent with the vast majority of your beliefs.

Well krass, if I can call you krass. That was a good reply, however it also touches on my original point here:


Philosophies like this are personal and not directly related to success with women. I believe each and every person has to reach that point in their DJ life, where they develop their OWN mindset and beliefs regarding what works for them personally, and what makes them feel the most confident in themselves. Some strategies and insights simply aren't congruent with everyone's core personality and perspective on the world; BUT, until we discover this long-covetted paradigm and unveil our true and personal social selves....we have to get in the field, we have to try techniques and make use of practical advice until we find what works for us; until we find out whom we are.

So yeah...philosophies like this aren't, imo, the key or root factor when it comes to picking up women. It's all about being a social person, and having confidence/love for yourself combined with the right practical knowledge and experience. In the end, that's it. It's simple, but that doesn't mean it's easy to aquire by any means.

 

[Bvbidd]

TECHNIQUES are for people who think they need them in the first place.

Remember your a guy and she's a chick you really should never NEED a TECHNIQUE.

That kind of shows a real self-esteem issue if you feel you NEED TECHNIQUES just to get a girl to like you. It's kind of sad really.

Not to say if you go out and try them things won't happen because they will but because your out there in the first place the actual PUAing that you think is being done is actually all in your head. As PUAing does not actually use real psychology.

It uses made up psychology by guys who have less success then even this random guy Krass has. And PUAs use game on drunk chicks usually too. That's kind of saying something as far as listening to PUAs for your advice on chicks.

We all know the real secret as to why Krass does well with chicks (I'll give you a hint.. it has NOTHING to do with being selfless.) but everybody can't admit to themselves because they want this whole game thing to be real for them. When it's not.




The real secret is he probally looks pretty good and doesn't hang around long enough for the girl to think something bad of him.

 

[The Juan and only]

You clearly misunderstood what I said. By techniques, I'm not necessarily talking about this PUA stuff, but even if I was then I'd stand by what I said. You have to test things out to find out what is generally most effective. fact.

you seem to be of the opinion that whatever you do, it's all about your looks, or some other similar factor. It's not. Certain things work well, others dont.

Also, you essentially said that nobody should need to test stuff out, you should just suddenly be confident and have all the experience? wtf? ok, i'll just read sosuave for 6 hours, click my fingers and butta bing i'm in pvssy town?

TECHNICALLY, I SAID WE NEED TO USE TECHNIQUES "until we find what works for us".

I also notice you took an objection to by far the least important part of my post; seemingly missing the entire meaning of what I said. why did I put that word IN CAPS? fvck knows it's a habit I picked up off DAVID D and it FVCKS ME RIGHT OFF TOO

 

[Krassus]

You approach a woman because you want her, but you also realize the importance of reciprocity. Therefore, rather than thinking to yourself, "She can give me what I want. She can make me happy", you think, "We can give each other what we both want. We can make each other happy." You put this to practice by being passionately social person who is genuinely interested in learning about the person in front of him, and by being a giving person (on your own terms, of course) without expecting to get something in return.

Couldn't have said it better myself Few minor details though.. "she can make me happy" should probably be "she can make me even MORE happy!" as you should be happy on your own, as it is. (Those reading this who are NOT happy should realize that women are the LAST of their problems). Other than that, well said

 

[Sean O]

Few minor details though.. "she can make me happy" should probably be "she can make me even MORE happy!" as you should be happy on your own, as it is. (Those reading this who are NOT happy should realize that women are the LAST of their problems).

Yeah, minor oversight on my part. After all, women shouldn't be the focus of one's life, but rather a compliment to an already great life.