FwoGiZ
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Here's a different opinion from what I've been reading... I been thru your situation because where I am from, women are way more independent so the expectations for you to pay them a drink is on its way out and you can tell. And I think that's a good thing cause to say that because you invite her for a date, you need to spit $ is utterly ridiculous. But hey, most of them are indeed wh0res and all think they have a golden vag that deserve to be showered in free drinks and free food. And once again, at least where I moved, I would say half the women go on dates BECAUSE of free drinks/food which is fueled by betas, making my life harder and more expensive.
So here's the thing tho...
there is utopia which is no need to spend a dime, cause after all, they did want equality no?
then there is societal programming which is your mom telling you that if you invite a chick on a date, you gotta pay,
then there is red pill reality, where you acknowledge a changing culture that you need to go along with.
What does the later mean? It simply mean that if you are spitting 20+ $ on a first date, you are contributing to the overall increase cost of dating and should be slapped some sense thru your head. Stop believing your mom and no, chicks don't get wet from free drinks n food.
If you go on a date and refuse to spend a dime, you are going a bit too fast and will inevitably burn several of your chances, for no good reasons.
What you want to do, is not say anything, and see what happens. THEN you go from there. Here's couple situations;
1. Girl starts ordering expensive drinks, and appetizers and other things she would obviously never order if she knew she had to pay for... let's be realistic here... is she worth it? Not really.
Here's one of my real life story; First date, I take her to restaurant (which I NEVER do anymore... I only do pubs/bars now) but she orders a steak, waitress ask her is she wants extra fried mushrooms. My date ask waitress how much it is to which she replies 5$. My date says ok I'll take it. At that point, in my head, there is no fvcking way I am paying for this bill. I had the waitress split the bill and also obviously had to explain my date that this is something French (I speak French) and Dutch people have in common, we go dutch on dates.
She admitted she thought it was rude, but reality is I banged this chick (HB7) for 2 months before I slowly phased her out of my fb list.
Bottom line, go dutch if chicks is being golddigger/profiteer. It might only increase your SMV at best, save you a lot of time at worst.
2. The girl is obviously being considerate, ask the waitress for specials, and pick something cheap. She waits for you to get another drink before getting another one too. This is also probably the kinda girl that will offer to pay half the bill. We could argue she knows damn well the guy will pay but at that point, it doesn't matter cause you could say ok and then she'd have to pay and couldn't say anything. My golden rule is if she's costing me less than 20$, I will pay. Why? Cause she might very well be worth the investment and I am not trying to revolutionize cultures here, but slowly moving along with it. The other thing I do, is I don't stick around long enough for her to be able to spend more than that. I usually go for 2hrs top, at around 8PM on a week day.
So I think it's totally legitimate to not want to pay for first dates but you might find yourself repulsing too many good girls because of that. Keep it cheap. 2nd date go on a hike or walk or if she hints at it, your or her place, obviously. Seal the deal.
I NEVER spend big amount of $ on women cause they simply are bottomless pit of ungratefulness and I proved to myself that I don't even need to anyways. It actually keeps those real wh0res away, those that will readily have sex with you in exchange of expensive date, you know, those chick that sex isn't even really good anyways but they're usually great looking? Ya... they're like that because of those betas spending huge amount of money, thinking it makes them wet.
Tom Leykis used to always say this; women love money... but they just need to see it! You don't have to spend it on em
And he is damn right.
So here's the thing tho...
there is utopia which is no need to spend a dime, cause after all, they did want equality no?
then there is societal programming which is your mom telling you that if you invite a chick on a date, you gotta pay,
then there is red pill reality, where you acknowledge a changing culture that you need to go along with.
What does the later mean? It simply mean that if you are spitting 20+ $ on a first date, you are contributing to the overall increase cost of dating and should be slapped some sense thru your head. Stop believing your mom and no, chicks don't get wet from free drinks n food.
If you go on a date and refuse to spend a dime, you are going a bit too fast and will inevitably burn several of your chances, for no good reasons.
What you want to do, is not say anything, and see what happens. THEN you go from there. Here's couple situations;
1. Girl starts ordering expensive drinks, and appetizers and other things she would obviously never order if she knew she had to pay for... let's be realistic here... is she worth it? Not really.
Here's one of my real life story; First date, I take her to restaurant (which I NEVER do anymore... I only do pubs/bars now) but she orders a steak, waitress ask her is she wants extra fried mushrooms. My date ask waitress how much it is to which she replies 5$. My date says ok I'll take it. At that point, in my head, there is no fvcking way I am paying for this bill. I had the waitress split the bill and also obviously had to explain my date that this is something French (I speak French) and Dutch people have in common, we go dutch on dates.
She admitted she thought it was rude, but reality is I banged this chick (HB7) for 2 months before I slowly phased her out of my fb list.
Bottom line, go dutch if chicks is being golddigger/profiteer. It might only increase your SMV at best, save you a lot of time at worst.
2. The girl is obviously being considerate, ask the waitress for specials, and pick something cheap. She waits for you to get another drink before getting another one too. This is also probably the kinda girl that will offer to pay half the bill. We could argue she knows damn well the guy will pay but at that point, it doesn't matter cause you could say ok and then she'd have to pay and couldn't say anything. My golden rule is if she's costing me less than 20$, I will pay. Why? Cause she might very well be worth the investment and I am not trying to revolutionize cultures here, but slowly moving along with it. The other thing I do, is I don't stick around long enough for her to be able to spend more than that. I usually go for 2hrs top, at around 8PM on a week day.
So I think it's totally legitimate to not want to pay for first dates but you might find yourself repulsing too many good girls because of that. Keep it cheap. 2nd date go on a hike or walk or if she hints at it, your or her place, obviously. Seal the deal.
I NEVER spend big amount of $ on women cause they simply are bottomless pit of ungratefulness and I proved to myself that I don't even need to anyways. It actually keeps those real wh0res away, those that will readily have sex with you in exchange of expensive date, you know, those chick that sex isn't even really good anyways but they're usually great looking? Ya... they're like that because of those betas spending huge amount of money, thinking it makes them wet.
Tom Leykis used to always say this; women love money... but they just need to see it! You don't have to spend it on em
And he is damn right.
