24 too old?

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So to get where I really want to be as a Don Juan, it’s gonna take me a solid 3 years. By then I’ll be 24. Is that old? Is that considered “too late” to have mastered getting with women and life? Thinking about having one really long journey and getting the experiences that I want along the roadmarks. Thoughts?
 

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If you can stay single until 24, the world is pretty much yours. I did alright in my late teens/early 20’s but 24 is when I really hit my stride and it keeps getting easier.

I’m only 26 and I probably haven’t even come close to hitting my peak.
 

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If you can stay single until 24, the world is pretty much yours. I did alright in my late teens/early 20’s but 24 is when I really hit my stride and it keeps getting easier.

I’m only 26 and I probably haven’t even come close to hitting my peak.
That’s the plan man, I just want to take as much time as I need to become a DJ instead of just half assing it in a few months you know?
 

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Trying to improve game in regards with women, and keeping up academically with me has been a struggle. Now, you know what I'm going to do? Strictly focus on academics. You know what my GPA trend was like? 4.0, 4.0, 3.84, 4.0, 4.0, 3.2.

Do you see a problem here? 3.2. I'm slacking off. I don't want you to slack off. Screw trying to improve game, do it, but don't focus so much energy into it. Your career is more important, and took me like 2 months of ****-ups to remember that.
 

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I am 24. I am not even started :D
 

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Trying to improve game in regards with women, and keeping up academically with me has been a struggle. Now, you know what I'm going to do? Strictly focus on academics. You know what my GPA trend was like? 4.0, 4.0, 3.84, 4.0, 4.0, 3.2.

Do you see a problem here? 3.2. I'm slacking off. I don't want you to slack off. Screw trying to improve game, do it, but don't focus so much energy into it. Your career is more important, and took me like 2 months of ****-ups to remember that.
Good point. I refuse to have anything less than a 4.0 next semester, school’s important too
 

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That’s the plan man, I just want to take as much time as I need to become a DJ instead of just half assing it in a few months you know?

You’ll never have more time or more energy or fewer responsibilities than you do right now.

Think about this: I don’t even drink anymore and if I stay out til 4 or 5 AM, I feel like absolute sh1t the next day. I still do it, because I have to and the girls I like stay out that late, but when I was your age I could pull a couple all nighters a week, party, roll into my 8 AM class still drunk, do the same thing the next day.

Luckily, I already put in the heavy work. I make the most out of my nights out so I can get more & better consistent results with one night out than I could when I was going out 4 nights a week (which was what I did when I was learning). It’s never too late to learn but, man, it sure gets tougher physically. And it’s better to learn early and here’s why:

  • Pvssy is a helluva motivator--especially when you haven’t proven to yourself you can get it when you want it & mostly on your own terms. If you’re sex-deprived, you’re an easy mark for a female predator (they are out there) or even just a regular girl, who will turn predatory or just plain icy when she realizes she’s your only potential source for sex and she loses respect for you as you make sure not to rock the boat so you don’t lose the only chance you have of getting your rocks off.
  • Beyond that, guys do all sorts of dumb sh1t--or maybe not even dumb, but counteractive to what they really want to do--since they think that’s their ticket to achieving sexual abundance. Even the idea that you need a 4.0 in school or to be in school to begin could be you doing what you think you need to do to get laid (HINT--IT’S NOT!!!). The fact that you pursue one career path over another or work more hours than you would otherwise could be entirely against your own best purpose or desire. If you were already getting laid, or had a better sense of your own core identity, you’d be free to really be honest with yourself about your own motivations.
  • A lot of guys who do achieve sexual success only do so at certain points in their lives. Their success is totally context dependent & never really internalized why they were having sexual success to begin with so they don’t pursue a lifestyle that works to their advantage. For instance, your probably old enough to realize that a lot of the guys you know who did well with women in high school probably have lost their touch. The guys killing it in college will probably not have the tools to get women on their own when they are no longer being shipped to their frat house. They’ll probably marry and dad bod it up a couple years after graduation. That’s fvcking dangerous.
  • If you really are pursuing the career path that you really want, your likability & social influence will probably have far more impact on your success than your GPA. Social skills open doors. Hard Skills < Soft Skills--you can be the most brilliant coder or engineer in the firm but the guy who can work a room and gets invited to play golf on the weekends with the manager will pass you. If he’s not great at doing what he does, your azz is lol and you’ll be picking up his slack. Better develop those social skills early.
  • At a certain point, once you have enough success with enough women, it loses it kinda loses its importance. You no longer have to think about it or devote much future energy towards that skill set. Plus, girls always come back. I’ve been super busy the past couple months with a life transition--and I’m on a bit of a dry spell. No biggie. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I can pick up where I left off when I have more free time because I’ve done it before. If I get rejected at the club, who fvcking cares? I’ve already been with girls who are hotter and had some of those girls really really like me. I also have two flings from a year or so ago coming to visit me over the next couple weeks. Both absolutely phenomenal girls. They set that up; you know what I did? Absolutely nothing besides answer a couple texts; I’ve barely even texted either of them since the last time I saw them. All I did was keep living life, which is really all I have to do at this point. But at one point, I built a skill set & put in a lot of work that allowed me to connect with them in the first place.

You’re at SS. I take it you’ve read Pook & The Rational Male (if not, do so). But I’ll throw a couple resources your way & even the start of a plan your way:
Each day read one entry from YaReally’s archive (starting with the Scray FR in chronological order) & watch one of RSD Julien’s free Youtube videos (these are absolutely the most cutting edge resources out there to understand game--what I started with). Commit to testing out the concepts with at least one girl a day. Commit to going out at least twice a week from 10PM to closing time & really push yourself to break out of your comfort zone. Give yourself at least 6 months. No excuses.

You’re welcome ;) And in the spirit of Xmas, feel free to PM me after you’ve gone out a couple times if you have any questions or need to work thru anything. I can’t promise that it won’t take me a couple days or longer to respond, but the offer’s there.
 

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You’ll never have more time or more energy or fewer responsibilities than you do right now.

Think about this: I don’t even drink anymore and if I stay out til 4 or 5 AM, I feel like absolute sh1t the next day. I still do it, because I have to and the girls I like stay out that late, but when I was your age I could pull a couple all nighters a week, party, roll into my 8 AM class still drunk, do the same thing the next day.

Luckily, I already put in the heavy work. I make the most out of my nights out so I can get more & better consistent results with one night out than I could when I was going out 4 nights a week (which was what I did when I was learning). It’s never too late to learn but, man, it sure gets tougher physically. And it’s better to learn early and here’s why:

  • Pvssy is a helluva motivator--especially when you haven’t proven to yourself you can get it when you want it & mostly on your own terms. If you’re sex-deprived, you’re an easy mark for a female predator (they are out there) or even just a regular girl, who will turn predatory or just plain icy when she realizes she’s your only potential source for sex and she loses respect for you as you make sure not to rock the boat so you don’t lose the only chance you have of getting your rocks off.
  • Beyond that, guys do all sorts of dumb sh1t--or maybe not even dumb, but counteractive to what they really want to do--since they think that’s their ticket to achieving sexual abundance. Even the idea that you need a 4.0 in school or to be in school to begin could be you doing what you think you need to do to get laid (HINT--IT’S NOT!!!). The fact that you pursue one career path over another or work more hours than you would otherwise could be entirely against your own best purpose or desire. If you were already getting laid, or had a better sense of your own core identity, you’d be free to really be honest with yourself about your own motivations.
  • A lot of guys who do achieve sexual success only do so at certain points in their lives. Their success is totally context dependent & never really internalized why they were having sexual success to begin with so they don’t pursue a lifestyle that works to their advantage. For instance, your probably old enough to realize that a lot of the guys you know who did well with women in high school probably have lost their touch. The guys killing it in college will probably not have the tools to get women on their own when they are no longer being shipped to their frat house. They’ll probably marry and dad bod it up a couple years after graduation. That’s fvcking dangerous.
  • If you really are pursuing the career path that you really want, your likability & social influence will probably have far more impact on your success than your GPA. Social skills open doors. Hard Skills < Soft Skills--you can be the most brilliant coder or engineer in the firm but the guy who can work a room and gets invited to play golf on the weekends with the manager will pass you. If he’s not great at doing what he does, your azz is lol and you’ll be picking up his slack. Better develop those social skills early.
  • At a certain point, once you have enough success with enough women, it loses it kinda loses its importance. You no longer have to think about it or devote much future energy towards that skill set. Plus, girls always come back. I’ve been super busy the past couple months with a life transition--and I’m on a bit of a dry spell. No biggie. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I can pick up where I left off when I have more free time because I’ve done it before. If I get rejected at the club, who fvcking cares? I’ve already been with girls who are hotter and had some of those girls really really like me. I also have two flings from a year or so ago coming to visit me over the next couple weeks. Both absolutely phenomenal girls. They set that up; you know what I did? Absolutely nothing besides answer a couple texts; I’ve barely even texted either of them since the last time I saw them. All I did was keep living life, which is really all I have to do at this point. But at one point, I built a skill set & put in a lot of work that allowed me to connect with them in the first place.

You’re at SS. I take it you’ve read Pook & The Rational Male (if not, do so). But I’ll throw a couple resources your way & even the start of a plan your way:
Each day read one entry from YaReally’s archive (starting with the Scray FR in chronological order) & watch one of RSD Julien’s free Youtube videos (these are absolutely the most cutting edge resources out there to understand game--what I started with). Commit to testing out the concepts with at least one girl a day. Commit to going out at least twice a week from 10PM to closing time & really push yourself to break out of your comfort zone. Give yourself at least 6 months. No excuses.

You’re welcome ;) And in the spirit of Xmas, feel free to PM me after you’ve gone out a couple times if you have any questions or need to work thru anything. I can’t promise that it won’t take me a couple days or longer to respond, but the offer’s there.
Yo, that’s amazing. I appreciate the info. I’ve read the Book of Pook and I loved it, and it reading The Rational Male right now. I’d say my social skills are pretty decent and I’ve had my successes with women, but I’m ready to take it to the next level after getting blown out by a one-itis. The reason I made this thread is cause I’m worried if I can really nail all this stuff in the span of a few months considering how much it is
 

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I agree. But for medical school? The average acceptee has a 3.75 lol. Unless you're naturally gifted; and can do this without studying hardcore, good job. That's why pre-med is intense, and becoming a doctor is one of the most difficult things to achieve.

Really? Social skills are important. Thanks captain obvious. But for a rigorous major like computer science where half the class ends up switching to a joke major like nursing or business administration, you need to be on top of your game to survive. That means at least maintaining a 3.0 which most PEOPLE CANT EVEN DO. Have you been to university?
MAN. Computer Science is no joke. Our Discrete Math class started with 25 people ended with 11
 

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EDIT-- @doctor1996 just saw you edited your posts. In the name of good sportsmanship, I’ll edit mine as well. But let’s leave the crabs in the bucket stuff out of this. @nicksaiz65 is trying to get this part of his life straightened out (and deep down, you know you need to do or you would’ve never reacted the way you did).

Anyway, you’re free to use the one life you have on this earth anyway you see fit--and being a doctor or a coder is a perfectly legitimate way to spend that life if that’s what you want to do. If you have the desire & a naturally proficiency, go for it & fvcking crush it. But most people choose those career paths because it’s what their parents want; it’s socially approved (i.e. safe); they think it’ll get them laid, eventually.

And who's to say you can't do both? Just cut out the self-victimization & the escapism (Netflix, Social Media, video games, wasting time on the internet, friends who aren't doing anything with their life) and boom, you just got around 7-20 hours a week to get this part of your life straightened out.
 
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I agree, it’s all about balance and time management. Why can’t I do well in school and be a great Don Juan? And I legitimately do want to be a programmer, it’s something I’ve wanted to do since I was young. That’s not all either, I have a passion for music too so I’d consider myself well rounded. I don’t really agree with the idea of provider game. I want to be able to get whoever I want because of ME and MY OWN SKILL, not because I have a high paying job. The reason I want a 4.0(or at least a 3.5+) is to make up for my mistakes. I had a really rough time this semester, and that’s kinda killing me because I’m somewhat of a perfectionist. Game wise, I’ll keep working and I’ll definitely see major improvements. But back to the original topic... I’ll reword it a little. I know that in a few months I can, and will improve my game tremendously. But to become a top Don Juan, hunk, and all that it might take a few years since I’ve been ignorant to this most of my life. And I was wondering if that was acceptable to have mastered it at 24 even though I’d be fresh out of college and some people are doing this since like 16
 

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24 too old?
HAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAA!
 

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I agree, it’s all about balance and time management. Why can’t I do well in school and be a great Don Juan? And I legitimately do want to be a programmer, it’s something I’ve wanted to do since I was young. That’s not all either, I have a passion for music too so I’d consider myself well rounded. I don’t really agree with the idea of provider game. I want to be able to get whoever I want because of ME and MY OWN SKILL, not because I have a high paying job. The reason I want a 4.0(or at least a 3.5+) is to make up for my mistakes. I had a really rough time this semester, and that’s kinda killing me because I’m somewhat of a perfectionist. Game wise, I’ll keep working and I’ll definitely see major improvements. But back to the original topic... I’ll reword it a little. I know that in a few months I can, and will improve my game tremendously. But to become a top Don Juan, hunk, and all that it might take a few years since I’ve been ignorant to this most of my life. And I was wondering if that was acceptable to have mastered it at 24 even though I’d be fresh out of college and some people are doing this since like 16
EDIT-- @doctor1996 just saw you edited your posts. In the name of good sportsmanship, I’ll edit mine as well. But let’s leave the crabs in the bucket stuff out of this. @nicksaiz65 is trying to get this part of his life straightened out (and deep down, you know you need to do or you would’ve never reacted the way you did).

Anyway, you’re free to use the one life you have on this earth anyway you see fit--and being a doctor or a coder is a perfectly legitimate way to spend that life if that’s what you want to do. If you have the desire & a naturally proficiency, go for it & fvcking crush it. But most people choose those career paths because it’s what their parents want; it’s socially approved (i.e. safe); they think it’ll get them laid, eventually.

And who's to say you can't do both? Just cut out the self-victimization & the escapism (Netflix, Social Media, video games, wasting time on the internet, friends who aren't doing anything with their life) and boom, you just got around 7-20 hours a week to get this part of your life straightened out.
I did not want @nicksaiz65 to make the same mistake I made, that I may regret later. Other than that, I agree with what you're trying to say. And to answer OP's question, 24 is fine at least I think so.
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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I agree, it’s all about balance and time management. Why can’t I do well in school and be a great Don Juan? And I legitimately do want to be a programmer, it’s something I’ve wanted to do since I was young. That’s not all either, I have a passion for music too so I’d consider myself well rounded. I don’t really agree with the idea of provider game. I want to be able to get whoever I want because of ME and MY OWN SKILL, not because I have a high paying job. The reason I want a 4.0(or at least a 3.5+) is to make up for my mistakes. I had a really rough time this semester, and that’s kinda killing me because I’m somewhat of a perfectionist. Game wise, I’ll keep working and I’ll definitely see major improvements. But back to the original topic... I’ll reword it a little. I know that in a few months I can, and will improve my game tremendously. But to become a top Don Juan, hunk, and all that it might take a few years since I’ve been ignorant to this most of my life. And I was wondering if that was acceptable to have mastered it at 24 even though I’d be fresh out of college and some people are doing this since like 16
Perfectionism is only useful up to a certain point--and then it’s an impediment. Game’ll fix that. You’ll be forced to base your sense of self-worth on the actions you take (which you can control) and not basing your actions on your sense of self-worth. I.e. I’m awesome because I’m studying and putting in the work vs. I need to study so I can get a good grade so I can feel OK about myself. You see that distinction? Just like there’s a world of difference between I’m going to be a computer programmer because that’s what I WANT TO DO vs. I’m going to become a computer programmer so girls will LIIIIKE me.

Anything you do from a place of genuine desire is Alpha (for lack of a more nuanced word). Anything you do to try to qualify for the approval of other people is Beta (again, for a lack of a more nuanced word). Once you really grasp that distinction a lot of ’the rules’ go out the window--but it will probably take you a little while, so it’s good to start with guidelines since what you’re doing now isn’t working.

And stop comparing yourself to other people. If it takes you 5 years, who fvcking cares? Once you have freedom of choice from a lot of good options, then everything that came before that is in the past anyway. But it won’t take you 5 years; I can tell by your attitude that you have far fewer internal issues to work out than I did when I started out (I had a lot of natural advantages but a ton of ego built around the subject & a bunch of really deep-seated insecurity). And everyone’s journey is their own; a lot of this is really about connecting with who you are and learning how to express that. I promise you that however pathetic you are at your lowest point, or the worst mistake you make with a girl, I’ve done worse lol. I promise you that every time you b1tch out from approaching a girl, I’ve b1tched out harder. So stop worrying about it. Trust the process.
 

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Perfectionism is only useful up to a certain point--and then it’s an impediment. Game’ll fix that. You’ll be forced to base your sense of self-worth on the actions you take (which you can control) and not basing your actions on your sense of self-worth. I.e. I’m awesome because I’m studying and putting in the work vs. I need to study so I can get a good grade so I can feel OK about myself. You see that distinction? Just like there’s a world of difference between I’m going to be a computer programmer because that’s what I WANT TO DO vs. I’m going to become a computer programmer so girls will LIIIIKE me.

Anything you do from a place of genuine desire is Alpha (for lack of a more nuanced word). Anything you do to try to qualify for the approval of other people is Beta (again, for a lack of a more nuanced word). Once you really grasp that distinction a lot of ’the rules’ go out the window--but it will probably take you a little while, so it’s good to start with guidelines since what you’re doing now isn’t working.

And stop comparing yourself to other people. If it takes you 5 years, who fvcking cares? Once you have freedom of choice from a lot of good options, then everything that came before that is in the past anyway. But it won’t take you 5 years; I can tell by your attitude that you have far fewer internal issues to work out than I did when I started out (I had a lot of natural advantages but a ton of ego built around the subject & a bunch of really deep-seated insecurity). And everyone’s journey is their own; a lot of this is really about connecting with who you are and learning how to express that. I promise you that however pathetic you are at your lowest point, or the worst mistake you make with a girl, I’ve done worse lol. I promise you that every time you b1tch out from approaching a girl, I’ve b1tched out harder. So stop worrying about it. Trust the process.
I appreciate the advice, helps a lot. Still working on this inner game... not comparing myself to others and taking things one day at a time and letting them fall into place.
 

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Man I must be getting old then! This is something I would have posted back in the day lol.

You're never too old when you are in your 20s. You'll be good.
 

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24 year old here. Still consider myself inexperienced with women. Your 20s is where you figure yourself out as an adult so no it isn't too old. Too old would be 35+, that's where you're supposed to have all your sh!t together.
 

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