23 years old and never had a girlfriend?

kraut

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does this one sound familiar?

How can something like this happen`?


Well i have spent most of my life develloping my hobbies and recreational activities like composing music and doing artsy stuff.
Played in many bands. This is all great. One thing i didn't do was develop my physical appearance: (BIG MISTAKE!)

(People say I'm really good-looking though)
I weigh about 53kg(116lbs) and am 172cm tall. I have a very slim figure (maybe frighteningly slim, but not really sickly).

These physical factors contributed to my complex of not being "worthy" to the women I seek. I have very high standards concerning looks and figure when it comes to women and never really thought I myself could match these expectations, thus never approached women really. If i did, my moves greatly lacked self confidence. I'd always become childish or self-pitying or even belittle myself even more using self centered jokes- on the other hand always tried to play the romantic, highly emotional artsy guy with "great" interests and always very analytical when it came to social behavior of people in general...always philosophying about the purpose in this or that - also life in itself. Expecting people to love and approach me because of my unusual interests?
BIG MISTAKE!
My grave deficit: poor conversational skills. Flirting is difficult.

I display an earnest type of behavior whereby my discussions with women are very subject oriented and focussed on "interests" in general, or serious matters like the ones mentioned above, but sometimes, mistakenly emphasizing the fact that I dont know where I belong...since I have a very mixed ethnic background that has nothing to do with germany (my actual home).
TIP: DON't EVER DO THIS!
This always made me appear unstable and lacking a decent backbone. My backbone was music but obviously they never believe this.

All my friends have girlfriends though. This helped me draw myself into the hole of self pity. I wasted a lot of time trying to gain contacts through my friends and socializing with them a lot. --ended up never meeting new people, cause they always had their girlfriends with them. (The girlfriends LOVE to talk to me.)
MY friends were not interested in drawing new crowds. ...Dead end. Spent my whole high-school carreer with these guys. mostly because I play in a band with them. It may pay off someday though.
But hey guys: examine your surroundings. Can you meet new people if you continue to be in the circles your are currently in`?
Look at this closely and make changes.

Music was for me the only way of emphasizing my uniqueness to the community. Somehow this didn't cause the girls to run up to me and beg for dates though. For whatever reason.

Being a student in the science field is already a handicap.
It usually triggers the "yuck" reaction with girls and them remembering their horrible chemistry chapters they had to learn in school. One has to immediatly divert their attention to "positive things" - not an easy thing to do once that evil seed is planted.

There is not a day that goes by where i don'T think of how nice it would be to have a girlfriend to share my interests with. It's like a sickness: always longing for sexual nearness (ever since I was f*cking 11 years old - like being obsessed with women, but not showing it really).
Now this may sound pitiful, but I think every man has similar feelings. It's just so dehabilitating because it puts you under incredible stress the whole time.
How to get rid of this? DJ bible does offer some advice.

I am trying the gym. Three times a week. Muscle build-up.
Hoping I can gain self confidence.

But might there be more underlying factors that where not spoken of in the DJ-bible? i.e. upbringing?

Is all this sh*t worth a councellor or can it be alleviated by working out and practicing DJ-Bible-techniques?

One of my strengths is being very open and fair to myself and towards others as well. I can become very personal if i want to.

One question most guys have to face at my age (having zero experience with women) is... am i perhaps gay?
I have even thought of the possibility of me being gay.

My conclusion after analyzing my thoughts and behavior and comparing it to many examples:

This does not apply since I do not feel drawn towards men.
I do not enjoy touching them, neither do I enjoy being touched by them in any way, whereas if women only touch me I become aroused. I think they notice this but I can't help enjoying it. :)

Also I never dreamt of having sex with a man and kind of thought of it as being really disgusting and disturbed. sorry for bringing this up guys, but i think it's a fair question to ask.

Let's face it. if i don't improve I'll stay single for the rest of my life.
I highly recommend the dj bible to any newcomer.

If anyone of you guys out there has some advice, don't hesitate.
I am just starting to change. you can change to.
First one must recognize what's wrong, then act accordingly.

If one were to seek professional help, who to go to?

greetz - the future DJ - on the rise.

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"Erkenntnis ist der weg zur Besserung"
 

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Dont feel bad dude, am also 23 years old but never really had a girlfriend, altho i had many chances to have girlfriends. Before i was too picky with girls, that was the reason but things are starting to change now. Its kinda scary how alike you and me are, am also used to be around 110-120 pound and same height but now am 135 pound all muscle. Am getting my teerth whitening and have alot of nice clothes.

Good luck man and dont feel down because you are not alone.
 

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Originally posted by kraut
How to get rid of this? DJ bible does offer some advice.
SHUT THE **** UP and get hold of yourself. YOU ARE NOT GAY unless you like men.

You are fine man, trust me. You are fine. BUTTT you need to look at life differently. You are thinking too much on the wrong path. When you think bad thoughts, you project negative vibes and it is an ENDLESS cycle you need to STOP NOW.

I am not your enemy, I am not making fun of you. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM!!! I was JUST THERE a few months ago. REALLY. I read all that and felt you.

You NEED to stop thinking on those lines and you NEED to read these books. It has changed my life. Understand that your current thought processes IS INCORRECT and adopt a newer one. A positive one.

"What to say when you talk to yourself" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-7636449-1603314?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

"Think and Grow Rich" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-7636449-1603314?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

"Radical Honesty" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/102-7636449-1603314?v=glance&s=books

"Silent Power" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...40321/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-7636449-1603314

(These are all the books David DeAngelo recommends)

Also, go ahead and read "Double Your Dating" and try to get a hold of at least David's interview series or whatever is in your budget.

The DJ Bible DOES HAVE EVERYTHING. ITS IS INCREDIBLE. Read Weapons of Mass Seduction.

YOU CAN DO THIS man. ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD, REALLY.


Don't base your success rate and your age in the same category. IT DOESN"T MATTER. Just focus on now!

I am yelling and acting mean because YOU NEED TO SNAP out of this !! You'll kill yourself with those thoughts

SO STOP THINKING THEM!!! The brain is so powerful that it has the power to destroy itself or make your live a living HEAVEN! You need to have power over your brain.



All the problems you said you had are correctable!! I really mean it! Unless you have some serious psychotic mental problem, like schizophrenia (Which you don't because you are here and coherent unlike me) it is correctable. There are MANY things you need to do. BUT PLEASE READ THOSE BOOKS!!

Talk to me on AIM/ICQ/Yahoo or whatever you use (IM names are in my profile) and I will suggest things for you. You are not GAY. Being bad with women != gay!

DON"T EVER GIVE UP! DON"T LET YOUR MIND GAIN CONTROL OVER YOUR DESIRES

If I can stress one thing to the fullest.. NEVER EVER EVER!!! FOCUS ON THE NEGATIVE ABOUT YOURSELF unless its for improvement. Like correcting nervous twitches or a bad haircut. NEVER about stupid **** you cannot change. YOU ARE AS GOD (or the gene pool of such random infinite possibilities its mind-boggling) made you. And everyone is born with the ability to reproduce (again, exceptions like schizos etc etc), thus the ability to get someone. Its YOUR mind holding you back. Even if you were rejected 134234234 times, its your mind holding you back.

Talk to me on AIM or something if you need help. Remember, I WAS THERE! so you can talk to me. Are are not alone, but if you're lonely you can talk to me. (John Lennon lyrics fit everywhere don't they?)
 

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Man reading back on my post I sound mad.

I am not mad at all.. but I feel you so much that it sparked an emotion in me to get you to snap out of this. I don't mean to sound like a jerk either. Sorry if you get that impression. Its just that you are suffering from a very correctable problem and you will be having the time of your life if you just let yourself have it. Remember that.
 

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why dont you try convincing yourself..your life cannot go on..unless u change the things you dont like.


remember this is your movie on you star in it.

only you choose how the movie starts, goes, and ends
 

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hey pal, of course your not mad. thank you for the recommendations - i will check them out.
Snapping out of something you were doing so long to yourself is not that easy. But possible. I am willing enough to commence.

Most of my text was actually describing my sentiments BEFORE reading DJ-bootcamp and discovering this forum.
It is truely very powerful and valuable. It has given me a lot of hope and outlook.

I still maintain that the physical apperance of a human being is extremly important in most situations.
I'll get back to ya, gotta go now.

merci beaucoup!
greetz from the land of kraut!!!!
 

cannibustacap

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Originally posted by kraut
I still maintain that the physical appearance of a human being is extremly important in most situations.
I'll get back to ya, gotta go now.
Physical appearance is superficial and thus, can be corrected without any work on your part. Just go to a stylist and pay some money and get it done with. Ok, paying is the most work and it could be a lot.

But working on your inner game should increase your outer game too. Its all a state-of-mind.
 

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cannibus is correct.

its a state of mind.


THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU!

NO ONE ELSE..BUT YOU...THIS IS UR LIFE..DO WHAT U WANT..FEEL HOW U WANT..**** AS MANY GIRLS AS YOU WANT, SLEEP AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, JACK OFF AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, SMOKE AS MUCH AS U WANT, DRINK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, LAUGH AND SMILE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT..

GET MY DRIFT
 

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If I was you mate I'd go for a fresh start.

I left high-school and went to a College and in the past week I've met more girls than I have blokes.
 

cannibustacap

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Originally posted by frivolousz21
cannibus is correct.

its a state of mind.


THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU!

NO ONE ELSE..BUT YOU...THIS IS UR LIFE..DO WHAT U WANT..FEEL HOW U WANT..**** AS MANY GIRLS AS YOU WANT, SLEEP AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, JACK OFF AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, SMOKE AS MUCH AS U WANT, DRINK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, LAUGH AND SMILE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT..

GET MY DRIFT
Another tip. DO NOT BE BOGGED DOWN WITH WHAT IS MORAL OR IMMORAL. no, don't shoot your HS math teacher.

What I mean is be who you are and don't try to be someone else. If you wanna **** a girl, GO FOR IT. apply the DJ tricks and don't feel IMMORAL for boning her. Its your world. If she doesn't wanna **** you, she won't. Don't rape her.

READ "Radical Honesty" And read all that **** FAST!! One day you will wake up and get it!
 

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LouisGarcia 10 mentioned a fresh start.
I will be doing this.

The plan was, I go on vacation alone to a coastal area of dalmatia. There I can act the way I want and try out some DJ-tricks with chicks. It'll be nice and warm down there ;-)

When I come back two weeks later I'll be fresh and full of ideas - as I know from past experiences.
This will give me new perspectives.

I can highly recommend this to anyone. Go out and see the world on your own! Not with naging friends and relatives. just by yourself.
You can just strike up a conversation with anyone.
Nobody will care about any "mistakes" you make.
There you can think about what you want to be and, in peace, conceive and plan the necessary steps toward achieving that.

Like I said, i didn't notice a post here about "upbringing" and breaking those habits one brought from home.
How to rid yourself of indoctrined cr*p your parents tought you.

any of you guys like gustav mahler? ;-)
 

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u two are skinny and thats why girls dont like u


i used to weight 130 5'8''

now i raised it to 150
 

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Yea no shi! thats why am at 135 now, i was a stick before. Still got a long way to go (170 pound lean)

I still got like a 9.5 at hot or not so i know am not butt ugly lol
 

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Originally posted by The_Mole
u two are skinny and thats why girls dont like u


i used to weight 130 5'8''

now i raised it to 150
being skinny doesnt help, but it takes more than being muscular to be good with the ladies.
 

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Wow, you got a way of thinking. I can't believe you tried to see if you were guy.

I had similiar probelms. I came to the understanding that the reason this happen to me is, because I never had anyone to teach me how to attract women. Lucky, for you to run into this site.


Side Note: The past is the past, no matter how bad it was. You can't change it. You can only change the future.
 

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No, girls CAN still like you if you're skinny. Emphasis on the conditional "can". If you're facially handsome, you might even pull chicks if you have a crappy body. That's a fact. Just look at dudes like Jared Leto, Leo Dicaprio, and Elijah Wood. However, if you're average faced and skinny, you really need to bulk up a bit.


Btw kraut - that's a hilarious name. :D So what exactly is your ethnic background? I hear Europeans can be quite cruel when it comes to non-white people, esp. during the school years - chalk it up to the relative lack of diversity on that continent. It's probably the same in Asia and Africa too.
 

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you need to gain some fat in additon to muscle. i am 5'9'' 135 with decent muscles...but not much fat. I could still use about 5 more pounds of fat to make myself look more rounded out.

You are under 120 pounds, and about 5'7''. You should be at around 135 pounds or so for your height. You need to start eating all the time. Eat even if you aren't hungry...you gotta consume foods. You'll see the pounds add on fast. You can still go to the gym and do this at the same time....building fat and muscle. About a month ago I was 5'9'' 128 pounds...and I started eating like crazy and going to the gym 3 times a week and I gained 7 pounds to 135 in 2 weeks. (i have probably lost a couple pounds since then tho). But the point is you can gain weight if you make it your job to eat and lift weights. Even if you don't have the body of a model or whatever...as long as you have a decent build that is what counts. Having a decent build is exponentially more attractive than a very skinny build....whereas a models build is only slightly more attractive than a decent build. good luck.
 

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this sounds like an interesting thread, but i didn't read all of it yet hopefully i ll have something to say after I read it peace
 

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135lbs is extremely small

Don't worry too much about the muscle. I'm a very muscular guy. It definitely gets you noticed but game is what counts.
 

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