2 paths to mastering confidence

Jariel

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What I have noticed from these boards is that there is a divide between the types of users, which some define as the LTR seekers and the players. Although the paths take different directions, the ultimate goal of both sides is to reach a state of confidence, and I think this is where the real difference lies. Different people perceive confidence in two very different ways. For the sake of simplicity, I’ll call them “Internal Confidence” and “External Confidence”.

Internal confidence is the carefree "I don't give a fvck" attitude. Guys with this type of confidence are fearless when approaching women, and will approach any one at any time or place, caring not if they get rejected or insulted. They develop a cool/cold exterior, don’t care what anyone thinks of them and never get caught up with emotional issues. They enhance their confidence by eliminating the pain and embarrassment traditionally associated with rejection. The benefits being that they are able to get ahead in the numbers game and tend to sleep with a high quantity of women. Subscribers to this type of confidence include PUAs, Gunwitch, David DeAngelo, players and "jerks".

External confidence, on the other hand, is a type of confidence that is built around external influences, such as achievement, looks and appearance, compliments from others, reputation and popularity. This is the proud type of confidence that comes when you have good reason to believe in your own greatness. Men who have this can walk into a room and own it because they know they are admired and respected. Instead of ignoring criticism and rejection they use it as feedback and motivation for further improvement. They don’t chase women, because they don’t need to; the women are the ones chasing.

This might seem more like a discussion point than a tip, but the advice here is that you cannot master both forms of confidence. A man who doesn’t care will never have the drive to push himself to greatness and will fall into complacent habits, while a man who is striving for perfection can never be fully satisfied with himself and will continue to suffer his failures.

There are two different ways of developing these forms of confidence. Those seeking Internal confidence may try programmes such as DJ bootcamp, where they force themselves to confront and thus overcome their social fears and restrictions. They may purposely seek rejections in the hope of mentally and emotionally toughening up. Developing External confidence is merely a matter of bettering oneself. One may seek to improve physically via bodybuilding, dieting, grooming or fashion. One may try to improve their intelligence, charisma and personality, or their financial and career success.

There is no right or wrong; it depends entirely on your aims…but if you stray from one path you will get lost. You will become the jerk with oneitis or the popular guy with no patience for his friends. Speaking from experience, if you try to master both forms of confidence at one time your behaviour will become erratic and unsettling for others.
 

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"You will become the jerk with oneitis or the popular guy with no patience for his friends. Speaking from experience, if you try to master both forms of confidence at one time your behaviour will become erratic and unsettling for others."

I'm a recoveree of the latter. But it taught me something. I dont want to hijack your thread, but bear with me... :)

This post has actually got me thinking deeply. You see, I believe that the man that walks into the party who gets respect... He has BOTH of the types of confidence you have described.

To be that business man, you need to combine the two. I believe it was albert einstein who said that if a plan doesnt seem even slightly absurd, the chances are that it will fail. To have that kind of thinking, you have to 'go against the grain' You need the 'I dont give a monkeys' attitude. The majority of millionairs in the world were bankrupt many times until they got it right.

This is where they merge. You see, I believe that something has been forgetten here. Control and manipulation have been taken out of the situation.

Your internal always affects your external, and similarly what is external can affect you internally. It's adaptation, it's built into your jeans.

So, going back to that plan that sounds really off-the-wall. From the 'I dont give a monkeys' you need to get control. You have to be receptive and then you have to start caring... You need the input from other people, and the assurance. It's how your plan changes slightly and matures BEYOND a simple plan. It becomes more complete, you could argue.

I think it's more about being both, but predominantly always showing one. To quote bruce lee:

"On one side... you have man.
On the other, machine
You must combine the two"

You see, a part of you has all the kicks, blocks, and counters in your head. It has the rhythm. But all it takes is for someone to be able to be completely illogical to defeat you. You need the human side to ADAPT. I feel this is where this good post is lacking.

The internal is the machine. The external is man.

What do you think?
 

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Thanks for your input DJBen - very welcome of course and any discussion on this point.

I wrote this based on my own experience and mistakes. I have always been a very passionate and focused person who could never rest until I had surpassed my goals. Yet after being hurt (again) I decided I needed to toughen up and so I took the path of internal confidence. Sure, I became calm and laidback, but in my mind I had nothing to prove, so I stopped trying.

Now I have seen that the reason I have always pushed myself so hard is because I have always been someone who cares a LOT.

I'm trying to regain my passion for life again and my stress levels are returning. It's like the stress is my personal motivation and it stops me from giving up or taking things easy. But as long as that's there, I am not able to be calm and carefree.

Ideally there should be a balance where you can be carefree and yet work steadily towards your goals, but then you will never be totally carefree and never experience an all-consuming ambition and drive.

That's my experience anyway and in terms of seduction, I don't believe sensitive guys can become PUAs and I find it hard to believe that PUAs could fall in love.

Again, any opinions are welcome.
 

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Insightful.

Jariel,

You make a very good point. I like what you are saying and can definitely relate. I think about this a lot: it seems that there is a tradeoff between achievement and happiness.

If you let yourself go stress-free, you will be blissfully happy, but what will happen to your productivity? And if you go the other way, you might never be happy, but you will almost certainly have many accomplishments to your name.

I think the optimal balance is to realize that things are important, but the world will not end if you do not accomplish what you set out to accomplish. In other words, take your challenges with a huge foolish grin on your face. Be able to laugh at the absurdity of a situation. I feel almost hypocritical writing about this because I know it is very difficult for me, but I am forcing myself to smile and just be happy for no reason.

Indeed, I think everyone has/needs both external and internal confidence (as you label them). External confidence is self-actualization, according to Maslow. Humans have a need to feel accomplished and worthy, i.e. not wastes of carbon. In this context, internal confidence can be seen as the engine - sometimes you just have to cowboy up and face your fears.

Anyway, that's my ramble. I find that being joyful and happy helps with both external and internal confidence.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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some days i'm stress-free and non-caring, and some days i'm the opposite. it's a big struggle for me because i haven't been able to distinguish within myself which one is better for me. i've been switching between these two extremes very drastically and i think that it's one of my problems. being someone who practices zen, while also being someone who wants that sense of ambition is quite difficult. yes, trying to find that balance is sort of a big task in itself.

oOh Nasty.
 

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1. Firstly, realize nobody's 100% confident all the time. A good portion of the people who "appear" confident are having the same doubts behind their piercing eyes. Having talked with all walks of life...you gain insight.

2. Alot of confidence stems from "resourcefulness." By this I mean, there are certain "places" or "people" we are inclined to be more of ourselves around. For instance, with a certain group of friends, my creative juices flow. I'm on point and we have alot of good laughs, some at my expense. With other friends, I don't have quite the connection or history. So to one group I might appear extremely confident, with the other slightly reserved.

We all have places like this. Part of mastering yourself and gaining control over your emotional states begins with "knowing" that and subsequently "anchoring" a new state.

If you typically go out with family and are confident, it was "anchored" long ago that you were accepted by them and are often in your "best state." On the other hand, if you've gone to the bars and been shot down quite a few times, you might develop an adversity to going.

To counter that , gain a new perspective on it. Instead of going with 1 friend, go with 5 who you really get along well with. Get a new exciting outfit. Workout religiously to gain the confidence anywhere.

Alot of gaining confidence is putting on new glasses to see from a different view. When you're confident, it's the same pair of eyes you're viewing the world, just a different view from your mind. Your physical being is the same, for the most part, yet it's your mind that chances. We're just changing the driver, and upgrading the ride.



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