2 party nights, 3 days, 50 approaches...

[TonyTheTigerOI]

Yesterday sucked. I mean it was just terrible. I was out for 6 hours - I made FOUR ****TY APPROACHES!!! And one decent approach. Thats SAD. So Im going to get some major sarging done the rest of the weekend. Ill be posting the FRs here as I go. Anyone want to make a competition out of it?

 

[I-am-someone]

Hmm... Stop working quantity so damn much, Tony. Work in depth a bit more...

If you're still going for this many girls, you're doing something very very wrong imo.
Once you see a nice looking girl (>8 and your type), just go for it and spend time with that particular girl that night. Just go as far as possible, and keep on doing that each night you go out...
Makes it a lot easier, a lot less stressful and a lot more fulfilling than what I think you're doing right now.

I haven't been following your progress for a long time, but I did a while back. I may be off, but from the looks of your post I think I'm not.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

The problem is I need a solid kick in the pants to actually MAKE approaches. Its sad. Girls will be STARING at me and Ill just smile and walk by. I tried to tone down quantity, but when my # of approaches decreased so did my overall performance. I went from making 20 good approaches a night to making 10 decent approaches to making 5 crappy approaches. The only way I know how to keep sharp with the right up-beat, fun attitude is to mass-approach :-\

 

[I-am-someone]

All you should need is 1 good approach per night, as far as I'm concerned. The rest is just practice.
You don't have to approach every single girl you see. It's usually plenty to just approach one, see if you like her, if not get rid of her and go talk to some other girl until you find one that you like and that you can have fun with that night.

 

[undesputable]

i think that quality could come with quantity, if you at least did half a decent job on each one.

1. You approach a lot, therefore removing all fear you might have for approaching.
2. You get rejected, you get used to it....no big deal.
3. Chance to meet many more girls
4. Higher likely hood of meeting a girl who is interested, just from a simple approach... maybe that girl was just waiting for you to do something........anything.
5. Practices makes better. As you get more practice, the quality of the approaches might go up while the quanitity stays the same.
6. If the girl is interested, and you leave you leave her wanting more, making calling and setting up a date might be easier.

And the list could go on. I dont see any benefits in just concentrating on one approach during the whole night. That just makes you seem needy, and makes the girl think that you dont do this often and get excited from the first girl you approach.

 

[Oxide]

Toni, are you sure that you are just covering up the lack of confidence by going into this "wild mass approach" mode?

When im at a club or party, i do the same thing, i will be approaching girl after girl, but in my head it isnt romantic, it is more like "hey fun girl, what's up!?" ... not much connection really

Try taking your time when picking targets, then move in and STICK AROUND. I think Gunwitch's method would help you, it forces you not to eject until you get rejected. ( in case you eject too soon).

Quality bro. Tone the approaching down and make it more refined.
Best of luck

 

[Lost In Translation]

YOU GOT BALL$ OF STEEL TONY !!!

You are like the James Brown of the sosuave forum ( hardest working man in sHOw business )

why don't you pimp the streets ?

club h0s are hungry for drugs bro.


Lost In Translation

**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**

 

[quest]

Originally posted by Lost In Translation

club h0s are hungry for drugs bro.


Lost In Translation

**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**

LIT, i'm aussie aswell, and i realise that drugs are rampant in clubs australia wide.
but most girls and guys in clubs are clean. UNLESS you go to particular clubs in each city.

i know in Melbourne for example. most places are pretty clean, but a place like Bass Station will be flooded with drugs, and drugged out people.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

Why do I mass approach?

Because I dont have any social proof. Zero. I dont have a wingman (he just moved to LA). I dont have any friends of age. All I have is me myself and I. So I approach... both guys and girls... to simulate popularity.

If I were to just sit in a corner of a club for 2 hrs before I made an approach, I think I would be labelled as a weirdo and lose my shot at ANY *****.

Oxide... my approaches arent romantic either. I just walk up, introduce myself and ask them whats up... or I deliver a situational remark. Either way its just fun and up beet.

Lastly... it keeps my mind where it needs to be. I am a speed-talker. Once I get on a roll the charm flows naturally... but Ive got to jump start myself with a few brass cold approaches.

LIT... the clubs I go to are upper-middle class... nothing but cigar smoke and alcohol. Some coke heads or some ravers (E) every now and again, but people are pretty straight.

 

[coolguy676767]

Tony although I am a year younger, and you have much greater success overall, I feel as if I am in the same boat as you. Although on a night I tend to make 5-10 approaches at least, but then again I am only going on teen nights for the next 3 and a half months until I turn 18.

Most night I am going out solo becuase I dont have any good wingemen, I have a few conpetant ones, but not many that can keep up with me. I have the maturity/mindset/confidence of a 25 year old, but I have the friends of a 17 year old. So last night, after an outing at a ghetto teen club, I decided to go downtown, as I live in Orlando, and there are about 20 nightclubs/bars in about a 5 block strip. Using advice I have been getting from you TONY and others, I did as much networking as I could, talked to parking attendents, bouncers, pretzel-sellers on the street, valet parkers, carriage drivers, anything to get to know people, its was my first time downtime this late, so I was trying to feel out the place, figuring out which clubs I can get ****ed up in and which ones are safe to try and sneak into.

I didnt really get into any clubs, almost got into 2, but I didnt really try much, I was just trying to feel the places out, and get a sense of things.

But I agree with TONY with the mass approach strategy. As you will hear with many successful DJ's in real life. Quality comes with quantity. For every awesome girl that says yes, there may be 5 that either reject you or arent worth it. But even then, that one girl may not be all that great compared to others. So if you approach 10 a night, probly 2 will really be worth it, and then you can pick form those 2 which one you like better. This just like he said gives you social proof without a wingman, and gives the girls some competition.

 

[I-am-someone]

I totally agree approaching is always good. The only problem I see with Tony's strategy, is that he doesn't know when to stop approaching. Once you've got a girl that you're into, stick with her. If you keep on moving around, it is absolutely impossible to get a connection with a girl. If you're approaching 20 women in a night, I would say you've had a bad night.
Approaching 20 women, to me, means that you couldn't find any girl that you felt attracted to, and that felt attracted to you.
If you tell me, I approached 4 girls, the fourth girl I met was really great, I had a great time and great sex, I would say you've had a great night.

Understand the difference?

I know you think right now that your current strategy is the best way for you, but the strategy I propose will get you better results and more satisfaction.

And Tony, I know how you feel with the social proof. I've only got a couple of AFC wingmen and hardly ever any hot women right now. However, the more women that you can actually befriend and connect with, the more social proof they can give you. Basically all you need is a couple of girls that are into you or at least friends with you, and you've got social proof whenever you want.

 

[I-am-someone]

So horribly off-topic, but I've finally got some good social proof going on.
I can now pick from about 8 different (4 are very hot! the rest is around a 7 to an 8) girls that I can call up at any time to go party with... and I managed to do get all that in 10 days

Don't ask me what it is, but I think I've just learned to communicate with women. Strange, how sometimes things just tend to click and start to make sense all of a sudden.

One of the chicks (9.0) that I can call told her friend she would **** me that night if she didn't have to get up at 6am the next morning in a place 20 miles from where we were. I kept on neg-hitting her most of the time, and she was loving it .

Another girl (8.9) was totally into me at a party. She was a bit drunk and was coming on to me, as well as me coming onto her. Until she told me she had a boyfriend for 3 years. I'm not evil, I also turned out to know the boyfriend vaguely so I decided not to pursue .

Earlier that night, I flirted with some girl. An 8.5 in the clubs, a 7 in daylight, gave me her number and asked me to a party. Gave me a piece of paper with the address on it so I could find where it was, but I left the paper on the table when I left. Then, I called her the night before the party and she didn't pick up. Later on, it turned out she forgot her phone when going to the party and expected me to be there... w/e, I'm not even going to pursue - she totally lost her charm when I saw her in daylight. Kinda strange how someone can be THAT much different.

And, I have gotten to know the friends of the biggest DJ I know. We had a blast of a time, had fun with the girls, nothing really flirty but just innocent fun.

I could blabber on for longer, but I'm not going to... have fun boys, I'm off!