Originally posted by 00Kevin
Most people on this board would totally disagree. I think that men today are very week. Most men are feminised and that makes them weeker then those of geneartions past. They are confused and they are told to act against their very nature. Modern society promotes female qualities on men. If you can't see that then you are very lost.
I agree that men are really weak today. I just disagree that they were truely strong back in the days before feminism. They are STILL WEAK. I'm arguing that feminism just revealed how weak men really are without the political and social crutches we used to have.
Originally posted by 00Kevin
First of all a real man doesn't buy / sell women, force them into relationships, force his will upon them, beat a woman or force sex upon them. If you think that men acted that way in the 30's and 40's you are totaly wrong. Feminism has warped your brain without you realizing. My grandfather and even my fathers generation would not act in such a manner. They grew up with an understanding that as a man you had to be strong and be a provider and be successfull in your own way. Tell me something did your grandfather beat his wife and do all the things that you say? No he didn't. In fact I'll bet he loved his wife was and more of a man then you are. It is a myth that men put women into slavery before the dawn of feminism
My grandfather moans about the divorce rate, complains that my grandma doesn't give him sex, and leaves it up to her to set the agenda. I try to explain to my grandpa that women didn't have the option of divorce back then and they put up with abuse. My grandma agrees with me. Before female rights, women HAD to get married and HAD to please their husbands regardless of abuse. They had no other economic or social choice. I'm not trying to argue history with you though.
Let's assume for sake of argument that you are right, that female economic dependence on men set things up for men to focus on being strong providers. That's still AFC because a guy is depending on his economic status to attract women, who had no economic status of their own.
Originally posted by 00Kevin
What you describe isn't AFCness. You need to read the DJ bible again. What you describe are the actions of men who abuse women and abuse the power they have. If you think that all men acted that way before feminism then you are totally wrong. Do some research and you will find out that Chivalry actually existed back then.
Chivalry is cool but my point isn't abuse. My point is that unless men and women have equal rights and opportunities, male attraction power is WEAK. If a woman cannot be drawn to you out of her own free will, then you aren't a strong attractor. If a woman has to submit to you because she has no other economic or social choice, then you haven't really attracted her. If you have to rely on artificial social, political, and economic systems, then you are coming from a position of weakness. You're showing that you aren't strong enough to attract on your own.
Originally posted by 00Kevin
I think you are very confused here. There are cultures in the world where aranged mariages are common place. Who are you to say that they are wrong? What if you are wrong? Have you examined all the pros and conns of these relationships? I think that if you actualy went to some of those countries you would see that women there are happier then their Americanized counterparts. 80% of americanized women are depressed. You call that liberation? what a f-cken joke!
I say those cultures are behind the curve. Assuming that you're right about women in the US being unhappy, I believe it's because Men haven't gotten their act together yet.
I say these cultures are wrong because they fail the test of reason and I've presented arguments showing this.
Originally posted by 00Kevin
This is very true. But what you fail to accept is that a man who has inner strength will have all the things you described above. It will come to him naturally and so will the women.
I don't fail to accept this. I'm preaching confidence and inner strength. I'm merely arguing that true confidence is not dependent on external STUFF. Core confidence comes from not being phased by other worldviews or other people's judgments about you. Sure, working out or getting a good job can make you feel better and give you confidence in parts of your life. But the true test comes when you face other people's opinions about your ultimate self worth. Extremely difficult. Seriously, just look at the emotions I've provoked in you by disagreeing with your world view.
Originally posted by 00Kevin
There are some people on this board who would tell you that feminism has totally ruined their lives. You only have to search and read about their plight.
The reason you are asking people to think "Modern" is because your "Modern Society" is just an idea. It isn't the reality of the world. You can take your "Modern Society" and its messiah and stick it up your ass. [*slams door in his face*].
I agree that there are many suffering people on here. This board is sometimes painful to read. I've suffered myself and I used to be very angry toward women and feminism. But I want people to realize that it is not feminism and not women that are to blame. It's our own weaknesses.
For a long time, most men had a society that catered to them like a parent spoiling children. Once society changed, men didn't know what to do. And women didn't know how to help us. We still think in the old way of getting a mate through the help of goods and resources. So women tell us to bring them gifts and that makes sense to us. But it doesn't work. Having resources is symbolic of power and signifies power over the financial realm but it doesn't mean that you have core strength. Core strength draws women without the paying them off with gifts and money. What is more powerful, getting someone to work for you for free or paying them?
Guys think that a chiseled body is the way to attract women. What we don't understand is that physical strength was the means to mastering one's world in ancient times. Physical strength is symbolic mastering your world. So we've got guys like my friend who is totally ripped but the biggest pvssy ever. In modern times, we've mastered quite a bit of our world through intellectual means. We are now able to see that while being able to master the physical world is admirable, the more important and more difficult world to master is the inner world of one's self.
In the modern world, many of the crutches are removed. Sure there's still a lot of guys who get by on their riches and their looks. But the beauty of the modern world is EQUALITY. Modern society tries to put everyone on the same level playing field so we can compete fairly. We have such wonderful things as KNOWLEDGE and EDUCATION that give us the chance to beat people born into looks and riches. That's what sites like this are all about. Modern society helps us cut through the illusions so that the true nature of power shines through. So that the real, strong individuals are revealed and created. Be thankful for feminism! Now you have the truth and the opportunity to build your inner strength so that you could take a girl away from a hot rich celebrity!! How cool is THAT?!!!
Again peace to your moms (traditional as she may be).
