“I Love you” and the razor’s edge

[zekko]

I’ve been told that I don’t have enough experience with women because I was married for 20+ years.

I have no doubt that you learned a great deal about women in that 20 years. Plate spinning is not the only way to learn, in fact I'm sure you learned things that you couldn't learn from plate spinning.

It's pretty well documented here that you should let the woman say "I love you" first. I agree with that. Although I don't think it's necessarily the stroke of doom that some make it out to me - lots of guys do it and sometimes it works out. That said, it's risky, and it's better policy to let the woman say it first. This is because women tend to fall in love slower than men do, and many will think there's something wrong with you if you fall in love too fast (like you're desperate or something).

This is just a case of men and women being wired differently. But they don't understand that men are wired to love quickly (when they do fall in love). They just see it from their point of view and may see it as a sign of weakness and despise you for it. They say men should lead, but in this case it's just safer to let her set the emotional timetable, let her say it.

 

[Ranger]

I still do beleive that overall men are more driven
Because for them that drive makes them a better choice for reproduction

It has always been that way. That assertiveness is masculine. That’s what men do.

What’s interesting is that men use it to compete for pvssy. Lol
The women would stand back and watch and wait to see who came out on top. We are wired that way and it bears out in close examination.

I have no desire to compete with women so I don’t. Competition with women is never my concern. It’s like getting the most likes on Facebook. The winner is still an idiot.
At the same time I would never try to compete with a woman in psychological warfare. The social warfare strategies they have. A man is an idiot to think he has the finesse to compete there.

The world isn’t anything that I was taught. Our civilization is a scam.

 

[Spaz]

My my...just imagine if I teach men all I know, women will be slaves...

The feminine imperative will be useless...

 

[Spaz]

Nothing wrong with blue collar. They build the world. But alas, I’m an engineer and I design petrochemical facilities.
It was cheaper to buy 40 acres just outside the Denver metro than to buy a lot in town. Plus I built the home I wanted without having to subscribe to any covenants. Smart guys can do that.
I’ve never paid market value for a home or property in my life.

I got just under 700 acres...

And I'm jealous of my neighbour who has more then 10,000 acres of farm.

Fvcking blue collar worker, how dare he earns millions more then me !

 

[Spaz]

Again, it's been a patriarchal run society for a very long time and, as such, the women who were the driving forces behind many inventions were shuttered into silence.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58ca9e67e4b00705db4ca2f5?ec_carp=5439551583837504683

With the creation of modern society and also into the age of where the voices of women are galvanised as feminism, it's impossible to say women are "shuttered into silence", what has women created after contributing, instigating, promoting, enforcing, shaming, nurtured the decline of masculinity?

Go ahead, name 1 thing...

 

[Ranger]

I got just under 700 acres...

And I'm jealous of my neighbour who has more then 10,000 acres of farm.

Fvcking blue collar worker, how dare he earns millions more then me !

Lol oh that’s awesome.

 

[Spaz]

Yes, I understand your blue collar intelligence absorption capabilities are limited. Have fun on the farm!

Shaming the blue collar workers now...

Who's gonna fix something you need fixing if all blue workers were dumb ?

Tsk...tsk Sazc.

 

[Spaz]

Lol oh that’s awesome.

I know 1 guy, we studied together in high school, never did good in his studies but was like me in character and outlook in life, while I went on to further my studies after getting a scholarship, he went on to buy 2 cows.

Married early, had babies and 2 cows, all staying under a handmade hut that the jungle provided, today he's a multi millionaire.

His cow farm exports powdered milk to every single country in SEA with the exception of Burma. Imagine that persistence ?

Each time we meet up for some drinks, he can't stop rubbing it in with that devilish grin of his...and I can't stop laughing in return.

 

[Ranger]

I know 1 guy, we studied together in high school, never did good in his studies but was like me in character and outlook in life, while I went on to further my studies after getting a scholarship, he went on to buy 2 cows.

Married early, had babies and 2 cows, all staying under a handmade hut that the jungle provided, today he's a multi millionaire.

His cow farm exports powdered milk to every single country in SEA with the exception of Burma. Imagine that persistent?

Each time we meet up for some drinks, he can't stop rubbing it in with that devilish grin of his...and I can't stop laughing in return.

Yeah I remember drinking that recombined “daisy” milk in Asia. It sucked.
When we ran out of regular milk on the assault ship they tried to give me that shyt. Lol

I started drinking goat milk in the Mid East. It’s not bad. Goat cheese is still a favorite of mine. Good for your friend. He took all the risks. He earned it.

 

[Spaz]

Yeah I remember drinking that recombined “daisy” milk in Asia. It sucked.
When we ran out of regular milk on the assault ship they tried to give me that shyt. Lol

I started drinking goat milk in the Mid East. It’s not bad. Goat cheese is still a favorite of mind. Good for your friend. He took all the risks. He earned it.

Haha, it's cheap stuff, for a liter of milk, it cost roughly US 0.80 cents..

 

[Spaz]

This is a leftist falsehood being injected into society. When in fact or best people came from mid sized towns and rural areas.
Thery’re IQ scores are significantly higher.
Most of our military jet pilots and astronauts are from rural areas. Our best engineers came from outside of the cities.
Alas I was a military brat so neither apply to me.

My absorption is fine according to MENSA. Laying out leftist/feminine insults is rather passé don’t you think?

So I take exception to your low end insult. Lol
I didn’t realize you were a feminist passing herself off as an intellectual. Never mind, I don’t concern myself with covert subversions.

Clear example of the shaming tactics being used to intimidate a man to toe the feminine imperative.

Can you imagine what any men has to go through living with women such as these ?

 

[Ranger]

Clear example of the shaming tactics being used to intimidate a man to toe the feminine imperative.

Can you imagine what any men has to go through living with women such as these ?

It’s scary. There’s all kinds of stuff in the statements. AJs are reasonably astute despite differences.
That’s foaming at the mouth stuff. This thread really brought out the depth of the imperative.
It’s always a new experience when you see it between the lines. 90% of men really don’t have much of a chance.

 

[Spaz]

Marie Curie invented the mobile X-ray unit.

Before her invention of the mobile X Ray unit only big city hospitals had the technology.

The refusal to acknowledge her irrefutable and well known enormous contribution to World War I in that lifesaving technology tells you everything you need to know about Ranger. He seeks to discredit women of any ilk in the face of fact, just as he makes ridiculous sweeping generalizations and proposes to know how all women think.

It merely showcases his lack of understanding and intelligence, and reveals a shallow and entirely presumptive nature.

I'm sure that has no relation whatsoever to his success (or lack thereof) in relationships.

But I digress.

She also discovered polonium and won 2 Nobel prizes for her work in radioisotopes, medical science & radiography.

She was the first woman ever awarded the Nobel prize. You can read about all this at the Smithsonian's website among other places.

Her mobile X Ray units were her invention. I never said she discovered X rays. She applied the discovery in a way that saved a million men in the war.

But if Ranger's ego can't stomach that FACT?

Says a great deal about Ranger.

Well this is interesting.

It's like stating their greatness at creating beautiful selfies and then posting pictures on FB when it's men who created FB and the camera.

Wonder where would Marie be without an x-ray machine and a car

Anyhow this further proves that women are great at multitasking, something that I've readily admitted is within the gambit of their basic programming.

 

[Spaz]

It’s scary. There’s all kinds of stuff in the statements. AJs are reasonably astute despite differences.
That’s foaming at the mouth stuff. This thread really brought out the depth of the imperative.
It’s always a new experience when you see it between the lines. 90% of men really don’t have much of a chance.

Even with the obvious truth staring right at their faces they'll deny it and start to shame you into submission.

Because if they don't, it will render their only single offensive and defensive tool useless = manipulation.

Without this tool at their disposal, women can't survive on their own but men could. It's as simple as that.

The feminine imperative = survival of herself and her offspring = manipulation = her love = her abilities at multitasking.

Anyone willing to dispute my assertion of what is the feminine imperative?

 

[Ranger]

Even with the obvious truth staring right at their faces they'll deny it and start to shame you into submission.

Because if they don't, it will render their only single offensive and defensive tool useless = manipulation.

Without this tool at their disposal, women can't survive on their own but men could. It's as simple as that.

The feminine imperative = survival of herself and her offspring = manipulation = her love = her abilities at multitasking.

Anyone willing to dispute my assertion of what is the feminine imperative?

There’s some seriously covert stuff there. It would make Sun Tzu proud.

Media and advertising are very serious subjects stemming from the US’s and Russia’s mind control experiments coming from the early 50’s.
They call it positioning. The government PSYOPS (psychological operations) technology is very effective.
I had classes that touched on it in my SF training.

The Feminine Imperative has already set the mind sets in America. Based on nothing. Just ideas.

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
Sun Tzu

 

[Spaz]

There’s some seriously covert stuff there. It would make Sun Tzu proud.

Media and advertising are very serious subjects stemming from the US’s and Russia’s mind control experiments coming from the early 50’s.
They call it positioning. The government PSYOPS (psychological operations) technology is very effective.
I had classes that touched on it in my SF training.

The Feminine Imperative has already set the mind sets in America. Based on nothing. Just ideas.

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
Sun Tzu

It's all an covert art meant to lull men into believing women are "weaker" thereby opening themselves up for manipulation.

We're all seen stories on this very forum on how men despite their biological drives to mate with younger women are pushed into believing that older women or even fatties are vastly better - that whole "quality women" and "fat is curvy" narrative is being blown in a different direction that benefits these women who in the not too distant past will be rejected by our forebearers.

The thing is, it's not done on a conscious level to be deceitful.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm far removed to hate women or blame women. It's just nature's programming. It just is.

And some very few men (it must not be all the men) here would do well to understand the feminine imperatives to better take advantage and profit by it.

A man thinks he needs to look beautiful to get women ? Working within the feminine imperative.

A man needs to play the game on social media ? Working within the feminine imperative.

A men needs to actively invite and seduce women out ? Working within the feminine imperative.

There are other methods of "game" that is far removed from the above examples that is being narrated as the holy grail of "game" by men and as can be seen even by women.

To transcend it into another level of game play, then a man must not only know the entirety of the feminine imperative but also acquire a more different and difficult skills set on top of the one they currently know.

 

[SoSuave666]

Her: “I love you”
Me: “I know” *smirk*

 

[sazc]

Choo choo!

 

[HankHill]

Interesting thread. I never said 'I love you' first. However, to reciprocate it for me it depends on a few things...I've had women blurt out 'I love you' during s3x when it was very early on i.e. 1st or 2nd or 3rd time we had s3x. Or even in the early days outside of s3x. I take those words to mean 'I love the way you're making me feel right now'. They likely don't even realize that it's what they mean and may even expect to hear 'I love you too' in return. In these situations I simply say 'I love making love to you' or 'you're pretty amazing yourself' or I'll kiss them and say 'you're so adorable' etc. I say similar things when they txt me 'good morning/goodnight my love', I respond with 'mornin' cutie' or 'goodnight babe!'. A few reasons for this. One reason being the woman controls when s3x happens, but the man controls when/if and the speed of the 'relationship' so if it's too early I try to drag it out. My behavior though is that when she's with me she gets my full attention and I'll make love to her in the best way I can. This way my actions speak to her emotions but my words make her chase my validation. This keeps her hamster wheel spinning for me and not for the other guys. This is important especially in the beginning because she has to feel/know that you're a catch, you have a high SMV, you have options. If she's into you she's going to try her best to lock your heart down. She'll bring up exclusivity etc.

Once this initial stage has passed though, I do reciprocate with 'I love you too' but usually I find it's not needed nor said even by her as much because your shared time/experiences/actions etc communicate that already. So when she says it on certain occasions I say it back, or if she does something amazing for me that really that blows me away then I don't see a problem with saying it first, but that's rare.

 

[sazc]

@HankHill LOL I'm convinced that "I love you" during sex really means "I love your d1ck"

And I've thankfully managed to correct myself a few times

That breathy "I looooove you rrr d1ck!"

Lol been there, done that!