‘Game’ is killing your chances with 8s,9s and 10s

[devilkingx2]

I agree. Funny thing is that a pronstar like Mia Khalifa is/was? the most popular by a few miles,while she is a 5/7 at best. Shows that most men prefer a girl next door type rather than a socalled bombshell hb10.

Genuine bombshells in porn are rare. I assume it's because a woman who is a genuine 9 can monetize her appearance without having to offer full service. (She would become a regular model and make just as much money, with much higher prestige.)

It could also be that in porn most women are not wearing the kind of makeup that makes them hot and they take off their clothes so they don't have fashion to accentuate their beauty and the camera shows all angles so they can't only show the good side, etc. Under such harsh conditions even most 9s become 7s

 

[BeExcellent]

Genuine bombshells in porn are rare. I assume it's because a woman who is a genuine 9 can monetize her appearance without having to offer full service. (She would become a regular model and make just as much money, with much higher prestige.)

I think it's the above but it's more than that. Truly beautiful women who are not seriously screwed up never need to resort to porn. What will happen is they might become high end escorts. Being a high-end hooker is more discrete than being in porn. It is easier to hide or explain away. Being live on film doing nasty things never goes away.

 

[BadBoy89]

The 2 men I know with the highest notch counts have never read a PUA manual.

One is 6'4" and that carried him for a while. The downside is that he eventually got into an LTR and later marriage and slid into a typical beta frame.

Yep, that will do it.

The other does not have an easy explanation.

He probably has a hot younger sister.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

In my experience really hot women who look like they're about to go clubbing or on stage are too full of themselves to give you the time of day. But who needs that kind of attitude?

Really hot women that are just going shopping in a designer crop top tend to be very nice, but not open to being dated. You can befriend them or follow them on Instagram.

The best bet is women that are average but dressed to the nines. A 6/10 wearing an expensive dress and a full face of makeup will often love it if you act like she's an 8 or a 9.

The other best bet is obviously attractive women that are clearly not trying to dress up. Presumably they're not looking for attention but it is particularly appealing to them for you to notice they're pretty even while they're wearing sweatpants and no makeup.

Disclaimer: your results may vary. My results are reflective of my own SMV + Game

You need to be deserving of the woman you want. It’s always worked like this.
The idea that average men were captivating the hearts of beautiful women with ‘game’ 20 years ago is a fantasy. If that was the case then the whole labour force would have ceased and men would have stopped striving for money, fame and status a long time ago. Gyms would have gone bancrupt, designer brands like Gucci would have tanked, expensive cars would have been redundant

 

[devilkingx2]

I think it's the above but it's more than that. Truly beautiful women who are not seriously screwed up never need to resort to porn. What will happen is they might become high end escorts. Being a high-end hooker is more discrete than being in porn. It is easier to hide or explain away. Being live on film doing nasty things never goes away.

In all of the interviews with porn stars I've seen the commonality is that they're all hypersexual nymphomaniacs even off camera (whereas many Onlyfans models for example only care about the money). I'd say that's what makes a porn star more than anything else.

 

[devilkingx2]

You need to be deserving of the woman you want. It’s always worked like this.

The idea that average men were captivating the hearts of beautiful women with ‘game’ 20 years ago is a fantasy. If that was the case then the whole labour force would have ceased and men would have stopped striving for money, fame and status a long time ago. Gyms would have gone bancrupt, designer brands like Gucci would have tanked, expensive cars would have been redundant

I disagree with you for two reasons

1. It's not only about what you deserve. It's not like you go on Tinder and get a 6 because you're a 6. It's often more like you'll get stuck with a 4.

2. The 4 pillars of getting women are looks, money, status and game/charisma. All of them are important in their own way so there's reasons to improve all of them.

For example there's rich guys who get played by women and there's rich guys who get whatever they want from women. The difference between them is game. (Blackpillers would say the difference is looks)

 

[SmoothSmooth]

I disagree with you for two reasons

1. It's not only about what you deserve. It's not like you go on Tinder and get a 6 because you're a 6. It's often more like you'll get stuck with a 4.

2. The 4 pillars of getting women are looks, money, status and game/charisma. All of them are important in their own way so there's reasons to improve all of them.

For example there's rich guys who get played by women and there's rich guys who get whatever they want from women. The difference between them is game. (Blackpillers would say the difference is looks)

a guy using tinder to get girls is deserving of women that are 4s or below his smv…it’s not hard to see. You are using a swipe app, which shows a lack of discernment, standards, selectivity and desperation. You get what you deserve

 

[SW15]

a guy using tinder to get girls is deserving of women that are 4s or below his smv…it’s not hard to see. You are using a swipe app, which shows a lack of discernment, standards, selectivity and desperation. You get what you deserve

It's quite common for guys to go below their SMV when using swipe apps. Even guys who are 8s and 9s will bang 6s in the short term and get bored with them. A guy who is 6 or 6.5 often has to drop below a 5 on swipe apps to get something.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Truly beautiful women who are not seriously screwed up never need to resort to porn. What will happen is they might become high end escorts.

Do you know anyone irl that became a high end escort?

 

[AureliusMaximus]

‘Game’ is killing your chances with 8s,9s and 10s

The biggest reason it doesn't work is because you c0ck block yourself with your negative mentality that you cannot get a hot cutie interested in you.

Change your frame of mind, change your life.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

The biggest reason it doesn't work is because you c0ck block yourself with your negative mentality that you cannot get a hot cutie interested in you.

Change your frame of mind, change your life.

I’ve got hot cuties, and I got them without using game

 

[Gamisch]

Do you know anyone irl that became a high end escort?

I know a few women who thought they could be high class escorts, but they all ended up severely depressed and they all have away their best years for money that they all nlew away.

In all of the interviews with porn stars I've seen the commonality is that they're all hypersexual nymphomaniacs even off camera (whereas many Onlyfans models for example only care about the money). I'd say that's what makes a porn star more than anything else.

The previous generation of " stars " suffered a lotta abuse from a young age. Nowedays porn is normalized to a degree where average women are only one rec button away from entering porn.

 

[Bingo-Player]

This post put me in a bad mood.

Hard to swallow pills are just that

We have Gamified society too far there are winners and losers you cannot "be normal or average " anymore

There are high prices to pay for this and as men of all ages are currently paying theirs via an intensely competitive dating & social market

in 2023 A mans life is a struggle but he's used to the rejection , the grind , the stress , the loneliness

The female struggle is going to come much later down the line

Females have gone too far in commoditising their two prime assets "youth and beauty" unfortunately neither are replinshable and both are on restricted timeframes

By forcing men to attain extreme levels in society women are making it a lot harder for themselves in the long run
as they get older they are simply going to be unable to compete with younger more attractive women

I believe in the next decade a lot of single 30 and 40 something women are going to need to humble themselves and very quickly

I suspect we could see the market absolutely flooded with them

 

[Bigpapa]

By forcing men to attain extreme levels in society women are making it a lot harder for themselves in the long run
as they get older they are simply going to be unable to compete with younger more attractive women

I believe in the next decade a lot of single 30 and 40 something women are going to need to humble themselves and very quickly

I suspect we could see the market absolutely flooded with them

Thirst is real bro

Started seeing now guys in their late 20s with women in their late 30s

Either you give up dating all together , either you will date way older women than you

This will be the road for the majority of men

We might not like it , but women won the dating war for real

The problem with women is mainly about being super spoiled these days , and when you are a spoiled brat you think that you deserve everything you want and are not that thankful for the opportunity and thus maximize the opportunity . Like most spoiled children , they just do destructive stuff for their own being

As a man , you have to adapt and survive to the game

 

[EyeBRollin]

Most of us have never pulled an HB8+.

 

[Bigpapa]

Most of us have never pulled an HB8+.

I did , but now it is way more difficult than it was 10 years ago

I think that what “killed” it is the amount of options women really think they have plus that they are very spoiled ( mainly by men ) . Which most likely makes them think that someone like brad Pitt would actually date them and start a family with them . Not just a pump and dump solely due to being bored

Ironically , tinder was also quite good 10 years ago too

 

[The Duke]

I did , but now it is way more difficult than it was 10 years ago

I think that what “killed” it is the amount of options women really think they have plus that they are very spoiled ( mainly by men ) . Which most likely makes them think that someone like brad Pitt would actually date them and start a family with them . Not just a pump and dump solely due to being bored

Ironically , tinder was also quite good 10 years ago too

And there are less HB8+'s than ever before. Too many fatties. I've never seen men and women in their 20's so fat.

 

[Bigpapa]

And there are less HB8+'s than ever before. Too many fatties. I've never seen men and women in their 20's so fat.

Yes , that is true . Most are either too skinny , either chubby and dress like sh1t to mask that they look like this

 

[Stanley]

And there are less HB8+'s than ever before. Too many fatties. I've never seen men and women in their 20's so fat.

Yes , that is true . Most are either too skinny , either chubby and dress like sh1t to mask that they look like this

The average weight of an American woman as of 2023 is 170lbs... For reference most healthy fit men serving in the military tend to be in the 165-180 range... This is a problem and most guys are fat too

 

[Bigpapa]

The average weight of an American woman as of 2023 is 170lbs... For reference most healthy fit men serving in the military tend to be in the 165-180 range... This is a problem and most guys are fat too

Fat men can not complain about fat women , so that is why no one has a problem with it