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[Vanderdonck]

I like this answer, idk if im biased or whatever but I like it.
After you said it, I really think this is a win. Aspecially because I mustered up the courage to talk to her (before I knew them) and schedule a meet (I wanna show you a good "turkish tea place").

Btw which part do you think was rude? I dont quite get that part.

Oh, I misread this part: Then while we were leaving she said : " I wont be mad if you dont come tommorow".

I interpreted it as her saying don't come, but she's actually just saying it's cool either way. All good.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

In daygame, the more standard direct opener is opening with a line about the woman's overall good looks.

Agreed.

But I'm asking if I can give her my # immediately afterwards.

No time wasted.

The idea behind having an extended conversation in daygame or nightgame is to have a better idea if the vibes will be good enough for a good first date. A good first date is one that will result in a second date.

Why would you take a woman out on a date, before you know if she is receptive towards your sexual advances?

The idea about whether that works in the real world is debatable.

It's super disappointing to have an extended conversation, get an agreement for a future get together, and then have her flake on it is bad. It's also bad to have a lousy first date off of one of those extended approach conversations as well.

No dates before physical, intimate contact.

Should you adopt this philosophy/standard, I think you'll fair much better.

Since I value/respect your opinion, what beef do you have with my mentality, if any?

 

[SW15]

what beef do you have with my mentality, if any?

I don't have any beef with your mentality. I like it.

Why would you take a woman out on a date, before you know if she is receptive towards your sexual advances?

This is a good point. It's something that I might be doing wrong. If I am doing it wrong, then far more men are doing it wrong.

In a typical daygame type conversation, few men know if she's sexually receptive, even from a 5-10 minute conversation. The whole idea behind daygame conversations has been to set up a drinks date on same evening. Occasionally, a daygamer can set up an instantaneous date (I have done this) but that's an uncommon outcome from non-bar approaching.

Approaching at nightlife venues can be done to set up dates on future nights but I find that's better to do earlier in the night (before 9 PM). That's especially true on weeknights. After 9 PM, the man should be pushing for same night sex off of his nightlife venues approaches, even on the non-prime nights.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I don't have any beef with your mentality. I like it.

Then use it .

This is a good point. It's something that I might be doing wrong. If I am doing it wrong, then far more men are doing it wrong.

Most men (and women) are victims of social programming...at least for over a century or more, of being told that there is only one way, and one way only...until it's damn near embedded in our DNA.

But direct game challenges our intuitions. It questions the norm.

It exposes the illogic.

Once you sit back, think about it, analyze it..you'll see it's the truth, and you will reach enlightenment.

In a typical daygame type conversation, few men know if she's sexually receptive, even from a 5-10 minute conversation.

Correct.

But it will be in your best interest to find out if she is sexually receptive, before you take her on a date.

That's really my only point.

Don't invest money on a woman, until you know if she's sexually invested in you.

And that's where guys get it wrong...taking a biitch on three dates, and ain't even smash yet.

Tsk tsk.

The whole idea behind daygame conversations has been to set up a drinks date on same evening.

Bro, until the subject of sex is discussed, all you are doing is treating a biitch to free drinks.

In fact, the subject of sex is where the entire relationship begins.

That's high level game right there

Occasionally, a daygamer can set up an instantaneous date (I have done this) but that's an uncommon outcome from non-bar approaching.

Still can't let go of dates, can you?

Approaching at nightlife venues can be done to set up dates on future nights but I find that's better to do earlier in the night (before 9 PM). That's especially true on weeknights. After 9 PM, the man should be pushing for same night sex off of his nightlife venues approaches, even on the non-prime nights.

I definitely agree!!

Nightgame treated me quite well back in the day.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I don't have any beef with your mentality. I like it.



This is a good point. It's something that I might be doing wrong. If I am doing it wrong, then far more men are doing it wrong.

In a typical daygame type conversation, few men know if she's sexually receptive, even from a 5-10 minute conversation. The whole idea behind daygame conversations has been to set up a drinks date on same evening. Occasionally, a daygamer can set up an instantaneous date (I have done this) but that's an uncommon outcome from non-bar approaching.

Approaching at nightlife venues can be done to set up dates on future nights but I find that's better to do earlier in the night (before 9 PM). That's especially true on weeknights. After 9 PM, the man should be pushing for same night sex off of his nightlife venues approaches, even on the non-prime nights.

Women are rarely naive about men’s intentions. When a man approaches a woman he doesn’t know, wanting to spend time with her, she instinctively knows there’s a romantic or sexual interest - whether it’s overtly communicated or not. The idea that men are simply seeking company without any underlying motive is naive. There are exceptions, like wanting to learn a language or explore a city, but the underlying sexual dynamic is almost always present.

This awareness makes it easy for women to extract value from men - attention, drinks, food, or emotional support - without offering anything in return. Even with direct approaches, men are often still manipulated. The simplest way to avoid this is to only do what you genuinely feel like doing without expectation or obligation.

Since you’re the forum’s analyst, it would be valuable if you could quantify the effectiveness of different methods in terms of approach-to-lay ratio, time investment, and quality of women. For example, if I approach 50 women directly proposing an exchange in orgasms versus 50 women with a more gradual teasing-building, kissing, a “come to my place for coffee”, and then sex, how many of each would realistically lead to a lay?

 

[SW15]

Since you’re the forum’s analyst, it would be valuable if you could quantify the effectiveness of different methods in terms of approach-to-lay ratio, time investment, and quality of women. For example, if I approach 50 women directly proposing an exchange in orgasms versus 50 women with a more gradual teasing-building, kissing, a “come to my place for coffee”, and then sex, how many of each would realistically lead to a lay?

There is some insight into pounding the pavement, from Tom Torero prior to his death.

The Art of Daygame Seduction – Tom Torero - Alpha Male 2.0

Today’s article is written by my favorite daygame guy, Tom Torero. There is also a FREE audio component to this article, available for everyone. Tom will also be replying in the comments. Take it away, Tom!

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What kind of realistic expectations should you have? Well, depending on your starting point, your mileage will vary. But a solid daygamer should be able to get a number from 25% of the girls he approaches. Out of those numbers, 25% should come out on dates. And from those dates, 25% should end up in his bed. If you think those statistics are depressing then look at your ratios for Tinder or dating sites.

Based on this, a daygamer would need to approach 75 women to get 19 phone numbers, 4-5 dates, and 1 new sexual partner. That's using a strong systematic approach like the London Daygame Model. I think a lot of daygamers need to approach more than 75 women to find a new sexual partner. In a better case scenario, it would realistically take most men a while to do the 75 day approaches to find a new sexual partner. Additionally, in going through this, one would probably want that sexual partner to last for some amount of time based on the effort it takes to approach 75 women in non-bar venues.

Few men 'spam' daygame anymore. I've never seen a 'spam' daygamer in action in my city and I live in one of the biggest cities in the USA. I have done daygame approach sessions in some of the most notable daygame spots in my city. When I do daygame sessions, I am a little bit more selective with my approaches. In a 2 hour session outdoors on a popular walking path, I might only do 5 approaches.

I think that most daygamers will need to do over 100 approaches (sometimes well over 100 approaches) to get a sexual partner and it will take a lot of time to do that. I don't think most men can 'spam' daygame to shorten that time and I don't think there's a desire on the part of most men to 'spam' daygame.

When Torero wrote what he wrote, he didn't go down to the level of detail of an approach asking directly for sex vs. one that is a little bit more gradual. The London Daygame Model is based on open-stack-vibe-invest-close, so that's a more gradual method. A London Daygame style opener could be classified as direct or indirect.

An analysis of nightlife venue approaching is likely to turn up similar numbers.