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[BPH]

Provide the Field Report Thread, famo.

If you want to find them you can search for them, I don't post my own threads too often.

But the point is; if you want to smash, how long will it take for you to get from the trivial bullshiit conversation, to the discussion about smashing?

One date.

3 of the last 4 women I've been with I had sex with on our first date. The 4th required a second date. Before that, my 5th most recent woman required a second date as well, but that first date ended in head.

I had a friend in college who took a similar approach to yours; he had a bunch of phone numbers of girls he was interested in and would send a copy+paste text along the lines of "hey are you up? come over". It worked sometimes, but more often than not it didn't - and they were never particularly attractive, I would wager none of them were his first choice.

I've had women throw themselves at me and make it easy, and while they were certainly attractive they were NOT the most attractive of the women I've slept with.

OP seems lazy so he might opt for your method anyway.

 

[AntoniousIV]

I can see why my approach would be a headache to you.
If you've been drinking Kool Aid and Capri Suns for most of your life, you ain't ready for that 151 Proof Vodka.

I really wanna ask if you also like KFC and watermelon, as a joke but maybe that's considered racist. Can we make jokes like these on here or are they racist? I have a little romanian in my skin tone so maybe it's not a racist question?

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

If you want to find them you can search for them, I don't post my own threads too often.

I guess I won't be finding them, then.

One date.

3 of the last 4 women I've been with I had sex with on our first date. The 4th required a second date. Before that, my 5th most recent woman required a second date as well, but that first date ended in head.

Nah.

I no longer believe in dates before sex.

But hey, do what you gotta do, pimp.

I had a friend in college who took a similar approach to yours; he had a bunch of phone numbers of girls he was interested in and would send a copy+paste text along the lines of "hey are you up? come over". It worked sometimes, but more often than not it didn't - and they were never particularly attractive, I would wager none of them were his first choice.

I don't see why it wouldn't work, if he got their numbers and established what kind of relationship he sought with them.

I've had women throw themselves at me and make it easy, and while they were certainly attractive they were NOT the most attractive of the women I've slept with.

Point?

OP seems lazy so he might opt for your method anyway.

Not sure what being lazy have to do with it, but hey.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I really wanna ask if you also like KFC and watermelon, as a joke but maybe that's considered racist. Can we make jokes like these on here or are they racist? I have a little romanian in my skin tone so maybe it's not a racist question?

ModeOne4Life.

 

[AntoniousIV]

OP seems lazy so he might opt for your method anyway.

I am a little lazy, but when it comes to coochie I'd put in some effort.
You haven't really disclosed your method? What is it?

 

[BPH]

I am a little lazy, but when it comes to coochie I'd put in some effort.
You haven't really disclosed your method? What is it?

I don't have a method. I talk to women without being weird and naturally escalate to sex while hanging out with them.

I don't invite them over to Netflix and chill. I don't take them on multiple dates before sex. And I don't discard them if they're not immediately trying to bang me after I say hi.

You can get very far with women by looking good and not being a total idiot.

 

[characternote]

You can get very far with women by looking good and not being a total idiot.

this is essentially EVERYTHING!
Be 'good looking' (according to her tastes) and don't be a complete autist. The rest will basically all take care of itself!

It took me years to realise that all the rest (basically 'game' and 'techniques' etc) is just neither here nor there.
e.g it doesn't help at all if she's NOT attracted to you, and it isn't really required if she IS! (and peoples arguments against that last bit basically only applies to people who have extremely poor social skills/autism etc which just underlines the point! Like they say things like 'Yeah, but you still need to know how to hold eye contact and ask her questions'. I'm like, 'Yeah, no $hit!' lol)

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@AntoniousIV

Now, let's have a look at this..

I don't have a method. I talk to women without being weird and naturally escalate to sex while hanging out with them.

I don't invite them over to Netflix and chill. I don't take them on multiple dates before sex.

Dude had just said he doesn't have a method, and then he proceeded to give you his method.

You don't want advice from a guy who contradicts himself within two sentences.

He explains his method..

I talk to women without being weird

What is and isn't weird is subjective.

For example, I find it weird that dudes take women out on dates before they smash.

If the date doesn't work out, she leaves the date with a full belly and boosted ego.

And you leave the date with wasted money, and you're still horny.

Not a good gamble.

He continues to explain his method..

And I don't discard them if they're not immediately trying to bang me after I say hi.

This^, is what is called attacking strawman.

It's when a person attacks a position that you don't hold (or never held) in the first place.

Now, I had just told dude that his description of my (direct approach) is inaccurate, and I even provided to him a post where my approach is described in detail.

Yet, he continues to attack the inaccurate position.

Why? Because he is attempting to score rhetorical points, instead of focusing on my actual position.

It is disingenuous, is what it is.

You can get very far with women by looking good and not being a total idiot.

There is nothing idiotic about being direct, straightforward, and honest with a woman about your true desires and intentions.

If it is requirement for you to take a woman out on a date and spend money on her meal before she has sex with you, as @BPH does..then you'll be using a modified, lesser form of prostitution (date for sex).

You might as well hire a prostitute or escort..at least the money you spend on the prostitute/escort will get you guaranteed sex.

Not so much with an indirect date.
....

Now, what you want to do is, make yourself physically desirable to a woman, by hitting the gym and building muscle (as I do)..so that whenever a woman looks at you, she will want to have sex with you regardless of whether you spend money on her, or not.

That, is game.

 

[Clockwerk50]

@We_ArE_VeNOM You should tell OP what to do tomorrow since he’s aiming for to get laid with this girl. He’s meeting with her and he desire to have sex with her, so if you’re confident in your method, he should have no problem going balls deep.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@We_ArE_VeNOM You should tell OP what to do tomorrow since he’s aiming for to get laid with this girl. He’s meeting with her and he desire to have sex with her, so if you’re confident in your method, he should have no problem going balls deep.

He didn't express to her what kind relationship he seeks with her.

This is a misstep and should be discussed immediately.

I don't know what kind of venue they'll be in, but either way, he has to initiate public displays of affection to her, and read her body language and act accordingly.

If I was him, I'll look to accomplish at the very least some tongue kissing action if he is unable to smash the first night.

 

[Clockwerk50]

He didn't express to her what kind relationship he seeks with her.

This is a misstep and should be discussed immediately.

I don't know what kind of venue they'll be in, but either way, he has to initiate public displays of affection to her, and read her body language and act accordingly.

If I was him, I'll look to accomplish at the very least some tongue kissing action if he is unable to smash the first night.

I think everyone agrees that OP should be bold and escalate tomorrow, especially since it's the third interaction - assuming she doesn't flake.

There are two schools of thought on how to handle the first interaction, both useful in different contexts like social circle game or when you're unlikely to see her again. However, you could argue that by not revealing his intentions upfront during the first double date, OP has set himself up for better odds - rather than bluntly stating he just wanted to get his **** wet, which would signal a lack of social calibration. Some women would even find that approach disrespectful.

Direct or indirect works depending on the environment and the personalities involved. I can use the analogy of when to go for a 3 pointer or a lay up. The key is knowing when to calibrate and what filters to apply.

 

[BPH]

@AntoniousIV

Now, let's have a look at this..



Dude had just said he doesn't have a method, and then he proceeded to give you his method.

You don't want advice from a guy who contradicts himself within two sentences.

He explains his method..



What is and isn't weird is subjective.

For example, I find it weird that dudes take women out on dates before they smash.

If the date doesn't work out, she leaves the date with a full belly and boosted ego.

And you leave the date with wasted money, and you're still horny.

Not a good gamble.

He continues to explain his method..



This^, is what is called attacking strawman.

It's when a person attacks a position that you don't hold (or never held) in the first place.

Now, I had just told dude that his description of my (direct approach) is inaccurate, and I even provided to him a post where my approach is described in detail.

Yet, he continues to attack the inaccurate position.

Why? Because he is attempting to score rhetorical points, instead of focusing on my actual position.

It is disingenuous, is what it is.



There is nothing idiotic about being direct, straightforward, and honest with a woman about your true desires and intentions.

If it is requirement for you to take a woman out on a date and spend money on her meal before she has sex with you, as @BPH does..then you'll be using a modified, lesser form of prostitution (date for sex).

You might as well hire a prostitute or escort..at least the money you spend on the prostitute/escort will get you guaranteed sex.

Not so much with an indirect date.
....

Now, what you want to do is, make yourself physically desirable to a woman, by hitting the gym and building muscle (as I do)..so that whenever a woman looks at you, she will want to have sex with you regardless of whether you spend money on her, or not.

That, is game.

You're exhausting to talk to. That's why I don't tag you.

I find you ridiculous. You wrote an entire dissertation in response to my saying I disagree with your approach...

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You're exhausting to talk to. That's why I don't tag you.

I find you ridiculous.

You wrote an entire dissertation in response to my saying I disagree with your approach...

Keep my name off your fingertips, then.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

However, you could argue that by not revealing his intentions upfront during the first double date, OP has set himself up for better odds

Sure, you could argue that^.

Or, you could argue what I've been arguing, that no dates should be set before true intentions are revealed.

- rather than bluntly stating he just wanted to get his **** wet

Then you are against being honest, bold, and straightforward with women.

Meanwhile, I'm the opposite.

, which would signal a lack of social calibration. Some women would even find that approach disrespectful.

The fact that you care what the women will think, is the problem.

Direct or indirect works depending on the environment and the personalities involved. I can use the analogy of when to go for a 3 pointer or a lay up. The key is knowing when to calibrate and what filters to apply.

Direct always works.

 

[AntoniousIV]

You should tell OP what to do tomorrow since he’s aiming for to get laid with this girl.

This is my plan for later. If she doesn't flake.
I do wanna fvck her definetly. And since she's leaving in 2 weeks cus that's when the exchange program ends, I don't seek anything serious.

My plan for friday is since we both have around 3 classes and we're in the afternoon shift meaning we have around 1hour and 30 mins of sunlight left, instead of taking her to drink something I could just take her to a place that's very close to the city (50m) but has a stunning view of our lake. The place is private and I can easily go for a kiss and take it from there.

She also wants to drink something, so that's a plus.

Is this a good start? I believe it is.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Sure, you could argue that^.

Or, you could argue what I've been arguing, that no dates should be set before true intentions are revealed.



Then you are against being honest, bold, and straightforward with women.

Meanwhile, I'm the opposite.



The fact that you care what the women will think, is the problem.



Direct always works.

Direct works in the right context. The best players adapt to the situation and choose the most effective approach to maximize their odds. After all, most communication happens through body language and subtle signals, not spoken words. Telling someone you want to suck their tits when you meet them, for example, is a blunt and misguided form of directness.

You have good game just need to finesse it a little.

 

[Clockwerk50]

This is my plan for later. If she doesn't flake.
I do wanna fvck her definetly. And since she's leaving in 2 weeks cus that's when the exchange program ends, I don't seek anything serious.


She also wants to drink something, so that's a plus.

Is this a good start? I believe it is.

I don’t know. @We_ArE_VeNOM said to be straight up with her before you do all of this. Maybe tell her you want to sleep with her via text before you meet up with her and see if she complies. I am not too sure.

 

[BPH]

Keep my name off your fingertips, then.

I'm advising a noobie not to do the dumb sh** you recommend, I care about HIS improvement, not YOUR ego. Which, again, is why I didn't tag you. If this dude goes to college and approaches women the way you suggest he will quickly develop a very unpopular reputation - with both men and women.

In either case, I'm done responding to you, anything that challenges the tenets of your God-King Alan Roger Currie always ends up like this with you...

This is my plan for later. If she doesn't flake.
I do wanna fvck her definetly. And since she's leaving in 2 weeks cus that's when the exchange program ends, I don't seek anything serious.


She also wants to drink something, so that's a plus.

Is this a good start? I believe it is.

Stop thinking about f***ing her, she already knows you want that by you asking her to come over to "watch a movie" last time.

Go somewhere semi-public, later at night. You're not of drinking age, so maybe something like bowling, I don't know. Whatever you do, try to enjoy her company and have a good time WITHOUT looking for ways to steer the interaction towards sex. If she's interested, that'll come naturally.

See if she'll kiss you first. Because if that doesn't happen then there's no point in worrying about any of this. If that part goes well then you can probably have some fun in the car, or maybe at one of your places if your parents are asleep or whatever. This goes back to logistics - don't expect sex, but have something of a plan if it does happen.

Also, this should go without saying, but this is all just a general guideline. We don't know the dynamics between you two or what's available nearby or where you can go privately, etc. Her response to your invite "sure why not" isn't very high interest, so you'll want to confirm that she's still free before you invest too much thought in this.

I don’t know. @We_ArE_VeNOM said to be straight up with her before you do all of this. Maybe tell her you want to sleep with her via text before you meet up with her and see if she complies. I am not too sure.

I wouldn't do that. She barely accepted his invite, if I were him I wouldn't further shoot myself in the foot by trying to find out if it's worth my time to show up.

We gave him the options, he still wants to pursue this, and she accepted, so let it play it out. She declined your sex invite before, so I'm thinking you'll have to take some steps to work back up to that point - if she's even interested.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I know. I’m being facetious to make a point. Thanks for clarifying it to OP to not do that though.

 

[AntoniousIV]

See if she'll kiss you first. Because if that doesn't happen then there's no point in worrying about any of this. If that part goes well then you can probably have some fun in the car, or maybe at one of your places if your parents are asleep or whatever. This goes back to logistics - don't expect sex, but have something of a plan if it does happen..

Sadly can't wait till night, but this place is pretty private any time of day.

Also why should I wait for her to kiss me? Why shouldn't I just do it?
I was planning to just sit on the place call her cute and go for the kiss.

What do you think?