The fastest way for a woman to nuke a relationship is thinking men value what they value in terms of sex and relations

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Something that amazes me is when I read on twitter about a woman that is surprised that her husband/boyfriend got "suddenly cold" after she told him that with the other guys before him was just sex therefore it came quickly and with no string attached while with him she decided to take extra time "not to spoil" a potential long term relationship therefore established a schedule in terms of time and requirements.

Sometimes I wonder if they are genuinely stupid, they think we're so stupid to fall for such things or their mental firmware is simply programmed from an underpaid indian guy.

"Those guys, I didnt see myself having a relationship with therefore I sucked their d1cks with no request, but with you well you had to wait and work for the same thing cause I valued you more".

A similar thing is when they call a man "husband material" which is just a step less than a proper cuck basically.

 

[jhonny9546]

My cousin has been in a LTR with his wife for 15 years. They have been married for 5 years and have two kids. They’ve traveled a lot together, and he is very present at home, even though his job takes up a lot of his time. He has always treated his wife like a goddess.
The result? She cheated on him with a co-worker. Now they are separated. He felt lost for a few years, but then he recovered, accepted the "red pill," and is now taking it out on younger girls. He has become a fake alpha who is out of control.

My friend has been in a LTR with his GF for 10 years. They have two kids and have traveled together, but he is not very present at home as he focuses on work. He has always treated his wife poorly, as if she were worthless or like garbage to be thrown away.
The result? She gives him the best *******s and begs him for sex, even though he has noticed that she is looking for other partners. Is it for casual sex? To leave him? Who knows...

This illustrates that it doesn't matter how you treat women—whether you treat them well or poorly—at some point, they may leave; it’s in their nature.

So, treat women as you would treat anyone else: with kindness, with humor, have fun together. At the first sign of disrespect, point it out politely and clearly. You're set.

What I am looking for most in life now is to find people who are good to be around. It’s not even about sex; it’s really about making meaningful connections with people. Apparently, I’m good at that, which becomes a problem when married/engaged women start to express interest in me...

 

[BPH]

I experienced this firsthand.

I once had a girl in college that I brought back to my place when I was living off-campus. We were in my bed, watching a movie, and we started making out and getting a little hot and heavy. She stops me and says that she thinks I'm a good guy and wants to take her time getting to know me better first. I thanked her but told her that I was not looking for anything serious right now. Her response?

"Oh, well then let's just have sex."

And it was that easy. She did a complete 180 because I was no longer a prospect for a long-term relationship. Nice guys truly finish last.

 

[SW15]

Nice guys truly finish last.

This has been a common saying since the late 20th Century. I think it was The Sexual Revolution of the 1960s-1970s that made this statement accurate. The mating environment has gotten even worse since 1980.

Back when I was in high school in the late 1990s/early 2000s, I saw this in action. One of the best looking females in my high school was dating one of the biggest douchebags in my high school.

By this time, I had already heard the phrase in popular media.

I once had a girl in college that I brought back to my place when I was living off-campus. We were in my bed, watching a movie, and we started making out and getting a little hot and heavy. She stops me and says that she thinks I'm a good guy and wants to take her time getting to know me better first. I thanked her but told her that I was not looking for anything serious right now. Her response?

"Oh, well then let's just have sex."

And it was that easy. She did a complete 180 because I was no longer a prospect for a long-term relationship.

Roosh explained this before. He likely explained it multiple times, but it was in this article. I have quoted key parts of that article.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

When you don’t hit any of her provider buttons, there is no point for her in waiting to bang you since it’s not like you’re going to take her out to dinner (or anywhere else for that matter). As long as she is attracted to you, your chance of a one-night stand is high.

When a girl finds out I’m a bum that gives her absolute zero hope of a future or anything for free, she opens her legs in four hours or less. Why should she wait? She’s attracted to me and knows she’s not going to get any additional benefits as time goes on. I become an impulse “purchase” like a candy bar in the grocery checkout line.

In your case, you announced that your frame was only short term sex. She liked your looks and was able to accept your frame because of her physical attraction for you.

 

[The Duke]

Women say all sorts of things. They are ruled by their emotions. I also don't think they are always honest. They tell lies to protect feelings.

 

[zekko]

Something that amazes me is when I read on twitter about a woman that is surprised that her husband/boyfriend got "suddenly cold" after she told him that with the other guys before him was just sex therefore it came quickly and with no string attached while with him she decided to take extra time "not to spoil" a potential long term relationship therefore established a schedule in terms of time and requirements.

I understand why guys might get upset about this, but I've always thought that this is actually a compliment. And of course it is, she cares enough about you to be on her best behavior.

Having said that, I've never had a woman who saw me as boyfriend material make me wait. The more she was into me, the quicker she wanted to make things physical.

 

[sevbucmash]

"Those guys, I didnt see myself having a relationship with therefore I sucked their d1cks with no request, but with you well you had to wait and work for the same thing cause I valued you more".

"I f**d and I sucked and all in vein, they all dumped me. With you my dearling I have a different strategy. You won't get sex that easy."

-Smart Sofisticated Experienced Woman

 

[Solomon]

Having said that, I've never had a woman who saw me as boyfriend material make me wait. The more she was into me, the quicker she wanted to make things physical.

Agree with this, also in my experience if a girl wants a relationship and wants to bang you right away and you make her wait, it will drive them nuts. A lot of women aren't used to that because men try to bang them right away.

 

[CornbreadFed]

This isn't absolute because a lot of women get burned out chasing higher SMV men than them and go insane by making the next men pay for it. However, this is still a major red flag though.

 

[DJ Novice]

I don’t mind playing the ‘x dates before sex’ game with women but there are limits. I’m a patient guy but I won’t be jumping through hoops for more than about 8 - 10 dates (2 months). I’m finding with older women in my age range (I’m 57) there is a lot of sh*t testing and delusional expectations.

I’ve been played before. If things aren’t escalating after each date and you get stuck in a holding pattern then it’s not a good sign and you need to bring the issue to a head.

 

[jhonny9546]

Hypergamy it's not a red flag

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I don’t mind playing the ‘x dates before sex’ game with women but there are limits. I’m a patient guy but I won’t be jumping through hoops for more than about 8 - 10 dates (2 months). I’m finding with older women in my age range (I’m 57) there is a lot of sh*t testing and delusional expectations.

I’ve been played before. If things aren’t escalating after each date and you get stuck in a holding pattern then it’s not a good sign and you need to bring the issue to a head.

At that age it should be you trying to delay sex as much as possible given their physical state.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Sometimes I wonder if they are genuinely stupid, they think we're so stupid to fall for such things or their mental firmware is simply programmed from an underpaid indian guy.

They are genuinely stupid and think that a man would consider this a compliment.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I understand why guys might get upset about this, but I've always thought that this is actually a compliment. And of course it is, she cares enough about you to be on her best behavior.

Having said that, I've never had a woman who saw me as boyfriend material make me wait. The more she was into me, the quicker she wanted to make things physical.

You are right. Women are either monogamous with their sexual partners or they cheat. If you’re not sleeping with her or if her attention toward you is lukewarm at best, you’re not at the top of her list - you’ll have to wait your turn.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Women are generally highly solipsistic and have an impoverished theory of mind. So yes, I genuinely think women have no clue how men think or feel or what they value. They project how they feel and assume men must feel the same.

 

[MatureDJ]

I don’t mind playing the ‘x dates before sex’ game with women but there are limits. I’m a patient guy but I won’t be jumping through hoops for more than about 8 - 10 dates (2 months). I’m finding with older women in my age range (I’m 57) there is a lot of sh*t testing and delusional expectations.

I’ve been played before. If things aren’t escalating after each date and you get stuck in a holding pattern then it’s not a good sign and you need to bring the issue to a head.

LOL, a then-50-something friend of mine, before he got married, was like the designated setup for any cougar. He said that all these chicks made it extraordinarily easy for him by the 3rd date; of course, he's 6'3", so ...

 

[MatureDJ]

You are right. Women are either monogamous with their sexual partners or they cheat. If you’re not sleeping with her or if her attention toward you is lukewarm at best, you’re not at the top of her list - you’ll have to wait your turn.

IOW, nothing has changed with them since the 8th grade.

 

[Clockwerk50]

IOW, nothing has changed with them since the 8th grade.

You better hone those skills and get in line before it is too late.

 

[SW15]

Women are either monogamous with their sexual partners or they cheat. If you’re not sleeping with her or if her attention toward you is lukewarm at best, you’re not at the top of her list - you’ll have to wait your turn.

It's good for men to interact with women who desire them.

A slower pace to sex isn't indicative that she has other men she's having sex with but it isn't a good sign either.

I don’t mind playing the ‘x dates before sex’ game with women but there are limits. I’m a patient guy but I won’t be jumping through hoops for more than about 8 - 10 dates (2 months). I’m finding with older women in my age range (I’m 57) there is a lot of sh*t testing and delusional expectations.

I’ve been played before. If things aren’t escalating after each date and you get stuck in a holding pattern then it’s not a good sign and you need to bring the issue to a head.

I don't think there's a magic number of dates to wait prior to sex.

Every woman I've had sex with has had sex with me by the end of the 3rd date.

Some of my blue pill friends in longer term relationships (now marriages) had to wait 8 or more dates for sex. These efforts resulted in LTRs for them so they got sex for extended periods of time with their wait. In these cases, these relationships are now 10+ years long and peaked on sex frequency a while ago.

a then-50-something friend of mine, before he got married, was like the designated setup for any cougar. He said that all these chicks made it extraordinarily easy for him by the 3rd date; of course, he's 6'3", so ...

A 45-54 year old woman dating a 50 something year old man is not a cougar.

A cougar is usually a 35+ woman having a sexual relationship with a man 10+ years younger and usually one under 30.

This isn't absolute because a lot of women get burned out chasing higher SMV men than them and go insane by making the next men pay for it. However, this is still a major red flag though.

This behavior from women happens by a certain point in their lives. It can start as young as 25 with them, but gets more common by early 30s and beyond.

This is a part of why dating women 30+ can be more challenging. Women 30+ will usually have baggage of some kind as a result of 15+ years of experience with men.