My prediction for dating by 2028 and beyond the foreseeable future

[CornbreadFed]

Ahem, a minority of high-status or otherwise attractive men.

Fixed that for you.

Guys like Roosh V living in their mom's basement were getting laid. All you needed to do was apply some effort.

 

[SW15]

Guys like Roosh V living in their mom's basement were getting laid.

In the early 2010s, on the heels of a nasty recessionary period, Roosh wrote an article about how to get laid when you actually find yourself unemployed. No one else in seduction communities ever wrote a guide to getting laid while unemployed.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

Roosh was in his early 30s when he wrote that.

Roosh did have a few things going for him. He understand seduction strategies and tactics. He was 6'0"+ and was fit.

All you needed to do was apply some effort.

Roosh applied a lot of effort in transforming himself from a typical STEM guy into a seducer.

 

[Solomon]

Guys like Roosh V living in their mom's basement were getting laid. All you needed to do was apply some effort.

People on Sosuave make getting laid sound like a quest to Mordor or some ****. It's really not that hard unless you are talking about Smokeshows and models. I always reference my average 5'7, 35-year-old white friend I know who lives with his parents and smokes weed. He's got 4 plates, are they smokeshows far from.

 

[CornbreadFed]

People on Sosuave make getting laid sound like a quest to Mordor or some ****. It's really not that hard unless you are talking about Smokeshows and models. I always reference my average 5'7, 35-year-old white friend I know who lives with his parents and smokes weed. He's got 4 plates, are they smokeshows far from.

I can't get laid is code for I can't get laid with the women I want within my reach of convenience lol.

 

[Solomon]

I can't get laid is code for I can't get laid with the women I want within my reach of convenience lol.

I think I can't get laid is code for "I can't get laid with women I find hot and make me rock hard" pause
This triggers a lot of redpill men but I I always knew this due to some talking points. However this became more evident when I saw simps on a popular youtube podcast talk trash about a Onlyfans woman who happened to be a guest. This was on youtube and simps and incels were talking cash shyt. The next day the Only fans model came out and said she got 1000 new subscribers (this is why I always say Redpill 2025 is not Redpill 2010, the space has been infiltrated by simps and Incles who like the narrative but don't want to improve! NOt all RP men but in 2025 IMO more than half)

I have said it before it's not that incels and simps can't get laid, with effort, and game, they can it's that they can't get laid with the women they want, and this includes a lot of Redpillers as well, hence you hear cope troopes like LMS, and Chad&Tyrone etc. To justify their lack of success​

 

[Manure Spherian]

Guys like Roosh V living in their mom's basement were getting laid. All you needed to do was apply some effort.

Guys like Roosh V living in their mom's basement were getting laid. All you needed to do was apply some effort.

From what I gather, Roosh put enormous amounts of effort into getting women and he probably received enormous rejection. Did he usually deal with drunk women?

What you describe isn’t typical of the redistribution of sex in sexual liberation.

 

[DreamAgain]

I have news for OP, his money, physique, whatever he feels the need to brag about on this anonymous internet forum, it is at best offering him brain rotted social media addicts who have probably ridden the c0ck carousel long before they got with his middle aged a$$.

OP is old and is going to flex money game but if he has any shred of intellectual integrity to be honest with himself, he knows that this will at best give him access to casual lays with women without any depth.

I can tell from how he writes he fails to understand that the system that has allowed him to obtain much more wealth (or so he thinks) than his "competition" will breed an unstable society that he may think he can escape from in his gated community, his car avoiding public transit, but soon the rubber will meet the road and he will realize living in a decrepit society will have reverberations that will affect even him.

 

[SW15]

From what I gather, Roosh put enormous amounts of effort into getting women and he probably received enormous rejection.

Roosh devoted much of his life to seduction.

When his book "Bang" took off in 2007, he quit his microbiologist job to be a full time pickup artist content creator.

He graduated college in 2001 and somewhere around 2004-05, he started blogging about pickup.

He put a lot of effort into getting women and did talk about how he had been rejected more than most men ever would get rejected. He also said this as a 6'0"+ male.

Did he usually deal with drunk women?

He was a primarily night game guy for many years. He later mixed in daygame with his bar approaching.

He dealt with plenty of drunk women.

What you describe isn’t typical of the redistribution of sex in sexual liberation.

Definitely not typical. The typical guy who lives with his parents isn't doing well sexually.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Herbivore Men(And everything else Red Pill Theologians pretend to have discovered)have been a phenomena for a loooooooong f-cking time https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/the-insoluable.283647/ Note the date Kael gave that talk. And yet, this many decades later, the planet is still here, despite it's many flaws

The alleged Crisis Of American Men is similar to everything else we attach the label "crisis" to: A problem which isn't susceptible to cut and dry "solutions", and which may always be with us to a degree

 

[BaronOfHair]

Guys like Roosh V living in their mom's basement were getting laid. All you needed to do was apply some effort.

Yeah: Effort into re-establishing one's independence and self-reliance, and placing poonany further down the list of priorities

 

[Manure Spherian]

When his book "Bang" took off in 2007, he quit his microbiologist job to be a full time pickup artist content creator.

This is primarily why I think Roosh was socially stunted.

 

[Gamisch]

TLDR Summary....It is over for men lol. I wish I could predict a happy ending, but I simply cannot.

I might have already covered this topic before, but I wanted to give an update now that the election is over. It hasn’t even been a month yet, but I think I’ve seen enough to confidently make a prediction about the future of dating. Several factors are shaping the dating landscape, including a declining quality of life for the average American—stagnant wages, lower education levels, reduced disposable income, unstable employment, toxic work cultures in traditionally stable jobs, and rising crime rates. Honestly, I think we’re heading toward a dystopian future similar to what we see in developed Asian countries, but with a Western twist.

However, this does not apply to minorities in entrenched cultural like a black guy living in inner city Baltimore or Hispanic living in the valley.

1). Herbivore Men will now be the normal-

Your average man will be overweight, socially awkward, addicted to some substance, stuck in a dead-end job (or reliant on UBI if that becomes a thing), living with roommates at best, undereducated, mentally checked out, and clinging to some male demi-god father figure for guidance.

2). Femcels will now be a thing-

Femcels already exist, but they’ve mostly been limited to the stereotypical "crazy cat lady" type. However, this culture is now crossing over to include average and even attractive women. The era of the single, independent "boss babe" is well past its peak. Your typical dateable single woman will lead a lonely, unfulfilling life, receiving less attention from men and rejecting the corporate hustle and casual dating scene that Millennial and Gen X women once embraced. If you want a glimpse of what this future looks like, check out this video or the solo camping vlogs that many Asian women are posting on YouTube. Invest in Pet stock lol.

3). People will have less sex, and Hedonistic activities will be limited to the lower class, certain communities, and Rich People- As many men hated feminism and the boss babe caricatures, this allowed all men to have access to casual sex at ease. With this in decline, you will see less casual sex in the dating environment which will make the game less fun.

4). Social Circles and Service jobs will be the only avenues to meeting women-

If you don’t have a healthy social circle, your best bet is to become a bartender, waiter, or take any job that constantly puts you in social situations with women. Otherwise, you’re completely cooked, lol.

5). Online Dating & Cold Approaching will be in the History Books-

Online dating will basically turn into Chatroulette for women—chaotic, full of dvck pics, and unreliable and just completely unusable for men—and may even cease to exist, except for niche apps like Seeking. Cold approaching will become extinct as women become less receptive to random interactions due to rising crime rates, social fatigue, and declining self-esteem. If you’re not already part of a woman’s social circle or community, your chances of interacting with her are practically zero.

6). Chads will convert to Tradcons, resulting in the official end of the Fvck Boy era-

Gen Z has a lower tolerance for f***boys and "bad boys" compared to Millennials and younger Gen X. This is largely because they’re poorer on average, and every guy their age is trying to imitate that persona. In a world of rising crime, stagnant wages, and skyrocketing living costs, traditional "bad boys" won’t thrive the way they once did. Instead, the new "Chad" will be a Herculean, ultra-disciplined, Alpha TradCon-type figure—one who embodies strength, stability, and traditional masculinity....Of course looks will still be the main factor.


7). BOLD PREDICTON: White men will become the most active in interracial dating-

White men are going to call it quits with white women and start gravitating toward non-white women in large numbers. This shift will make things harder for Hispanic, Asian, and rogue Black men, as they’ll now be competing with white men for their own women. Meanwhile, white and assimilated women will become less open to dating in general. The only exceptions will be minority men who are deeply rooted in strong cultural or social circles where language, zip codes and traditions create a significant barrier to outside competition.


8). Men suicides, depression and violent crimes will begin to be a major concern-

Unfortunately, it is easier today then it will be tomorrow. If you think there's going to be a happy ending for men in the future, then you have not been paying attention.


In this new environment, men will have two choices:

1. Gamble the second half of their lives by diving into hedonistic communities—becoming a bartender, server, party boy, etc.
2. Embrace temporary monogamy while leveling up until they reach a position where attracting high-SMV women requires minimal effort.

Good post.

I especially agree with the notion that the average man will fight back. Every man wakes up with morning wood. If needs arent met, something as simple as that leads to enough frustration to change political landscapes entirely.

@Solomon just said it: these men will fight back. One more thing: don't underestimate this dynamic in countries like..Egypt, Somalia,...Bangladesh or whatever place you can think of. Nothing is as dangerous as a group of frustrated men with nothing to lose...



@The Duke yes, it sounds doom and gloom.and tbh..it is. We have no idea how many frustration is boiling. If anything the US election shows we moved backwards as humanity .

 

[Gamisch]

6). Chads will convert to Tradcons, resulting in the official end of the Fvck Boy era-

Gen Z has a lower tolerance for f***boys and "bad boys" compared to Millennials and younger Gen X. This is largely because they’re poorer on average, and every guy their age is trying to imitate that persona. In a world of rising crime, stagnant wages, and skyrocketing living costs, traditional "bad boys" won’t thrive the way they once did. Instead, the new "Chad" will be a Herculean, ultra-disciplined, Alpha TradCon-type figure—one who embodies strength, stability, and traditional masculinity....Of course looks will still be the main factor.


I can break down all points.

Been saying this for years. I grew up in a era where a thug was a THUG -THUG. But then something happened where every dude regardless of his upbringing claimed this thug label. (Makes sense if ALL women want this cliche- made up- dime in a dozen -dude). For fun you should look at how damn similar street culture is in: Sweden, Germany, UK, France Bulgaria ect ect. Burberry cap, Gucci man purse and ripped skinny jeans. Street culture is a universal thing. Everyone(even USA) listen to the UK grime type of rap.

Women will or already found out that this type of man offers little to nothing. Hence why are the thread about what we can learn from black men attending Pop the balloon. They realize that in order to keep being a valuable player innthis game you HAVE to be 360 accomplished. Something other races yet have to digest.

Discipline is the hardest thing to maintain. Especially the Discipline to hit the gym, save money, stay away from the coco and the grass, not let the depression get to you...this typ of men becomes more rare by the day.

 

[Travel memoir21]

You've got to find where the Quality women hangs out.

In order to Vet her properly, you MUST be a Quality Man yourself.

The Qualities that you want her to have, you must work on having it yourself.

There's plenty of communities you can go to, to find Quality traditional women, even in America....even in morally decadent places like Los Angeles or New York.

One way to do that is to go to a House of Worship. There is only One God and he sends himself or a representative to do his work according to time, places and circumstances.

Guys like Moses. Abraham, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Srila Prabhupada, Yeshua and Muhammad are all God's representatives and there message contains the same essence of Vibe which is to Be Noble and restraint your senses and carnal pleasures for The Good of your future karma in the after life, society, relationships and everything else.

So if you were really desperate to find a Quality woman, I would urge to research good faiths like Orthodox Christianity, Hare Krishna Vaishnism and Islam. Those faiths still have plenty of traditional women in them and you can find them globally around the world in communities and temples.

If you're an Atheist and agnostic, seek out a Buddhist woman.

Combine God Consciousness, with weight lifting, Yoga, eating healthy, Semen retention, daily walks and improving yourself in all facets of your life and you are one step closer to enlightenment.

 

[BaronOfHair]

This is primarily why I think Roosh was socially stunted.

Ross Jefferies once remarked that many who followed in his footsteps were "sociopaths". Overused as that word is, Roosh was(and seems to still be)definitely a very troubled guy. I say this even as someone who agrees with a great deal of what he said

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

"Men initiating an interaction with women has always been (and always will be) a fundamental part of courtship. From the ancient days until now, it’s been primarily up to a man to commence a possible connection between two people."

i'm sure that will be the same, men still having to do the pursuing and making the first move all the time, hence why there will always be more male wizards than female wizards.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Ross Jefferies once remarked that many who followed in his footsteps were "sociopaths". Overused as that word is, Roosh was(and seems to still be)definitely a very troubled guy. I say this even as someone who agrees with a great deal of what he said

Yes, as a Christian he still appears troubled.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

TLDR Summary....It is over for men lol. I wish I could predict a happy ending, but I simply cannot.

I might have already covered this topic before, but I wanted to give an update now that the election is over. It hasn’t even been a month yet, but I think I’ve seen enough to confidently make a prediction about the future of dating. Several factors are shaping the dating landscape, including a declining quality of life for the average American—stagnant wages, lower education levels, reduced disposable income, unstable employment, toxic work cultures in traditionally stable jobs, and rising crime rates. Honestly, I think we’re heading toward a dystopian future similar to what we see in developed Asian countries, but with a Western twist.

However, this does not apply to minorities in entrenched cultural like a black guy living in inner city Baltimore or Hispanic living in the valley.

1). Herbivore Men will now be the normal-

Your average man will be overweight, socially awkward, addicted to some substance, stuck in a dead-end job (or reliant on UBI if that becomes a thing), living with roommates at best, undereducated, mentally checked out, and clinging to some male demi-god father figure for guidance.

2). Femcels will now be a thing-

Femcels already exist, but they’ve mostly been limited to the stereotypical "crazy cat lady" type. However, this culture is now crossing over to include average and even attractive women. The era of the single, independent "boss babe" is well past its peak. Your typical dateable single woman will lead a lonely, unfulfilling life, receiving less attention from men and rejecting the corporate hustle and casual dating scene that Millennial and Gen X women once embraced. If you want a glimpse of what this future looks like, check out this video or the solo camping vlogs that many Asian women are posting on YouTube. Invest in Pet stock lol.

3). People will have less sex, and Hedonistic activities will be limited to the lower class, certain communities, and Rich People- As many men hated feminism and the boss babe caricatures, this allowed all men to have access to casual sex at ease. With this in decline, you will see less casual sex in the dating environment which will make the game less fun.

4). Social Circles and Service jobs will be the only avenues to meeting women-

If you don’t have a healthy social circle, your best bet is to become a bartender, waiter, or take any job that constantly puts you in social situations with women. Otherwise, you’re completely cooked, lol.

5). Online Dating & Cold Approaching will be in the History Books-

Online dating will basically turn into Chatroulette for women—chaotic, full of dvck pics, and unreliable and just completely unusable for men—and may even cease to exist, except for niche apps like Seeking. Cold approaching will become extinct as women become less receptive to random interactions due to rising crime rates, social fatigue, and declining self-esteem. If you’re not already part of a woman’s social circle or community, your chances of interacting with her are practically zero.

6). Chads will convert to Tradcons, resulting in the official end of the Fvck Boy era-

Gen Z has a lower tolerance for f***boys and "bad boys" compared to Millennials and younger Gen X. This is largely because they’re poorer on average, and every guy their age is trying to imitate that persona. In a world of rising crime, stagnant wages, and skyrocketing living costs, traditional "bad boys" won’t thrive the way they once did. Instead, the new "Chad" will be a Herculean, ultra-disciplined, Alpha TradCon-type figure—one who embodies strength, stability, and traditional masculinity....Of course looks will still be the main factor.


7). BOLD PREDICTON: White men will become the most active in interracial dating-

White men are going to call it quits with white women and start gravitating toward non-white women in large numbers. This shift will make things harder for Hispanic, Asian, and rogue Black men, as they’ll now be competing with white men for their own women. Meanwhile, white and assimilated women will become less open to dating in general. The only exceptions will be minority men who are deeply rooted in strong cultural or social circles where language, zip codes and traditions create a significant barrier to outside competition.


8). Men suicides, depression and violent crimes will begin to be a major concern-

Unfortunately, it is easier today then it will be tomorrow. If you think there's going to be a happy ending for men in the future, then you have not been paying attention.


In this new environment, men will have two choices:

1. Gamble the second half of their lives by diving into hedonistic communities—becoming a bartender, server, party boy, etc.
2. Embrace temporary monogamy while leveling up until they reach a position where attracting high-SMV women requires minimal effort.

number 2 about Femcels, well this was just announced today, its possible that this girl is a femcel:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14395309/trinity-shockley-school-shooting.html

 

[Skyline]

TLDR Summary....It is over for men lol. I wish I could predict a happy ending, but I simply cannot.

I might have already covered this topic before, but I wanted to give an update now that the election is over. It hasn’t even been a month yet, but I think I’ve seen enough to confidently make a prediction about the future of dating. Several factors are shaping the dating landscape, including a declining quality of life for the average American—stagnant wages, lower education levels, reduced disposable income, unstable employment, toxic work cultures in traditionally stable jobs, and rising crime rates. Honestly, I think we’re heading toward a dystopian future similar to what we see in developed Asian countries, but with a Western twist.

However, this does not apply to minorities in entrenched cultural like a black guy living in inner city Baltimore or Hispanic living in the valley.

1). Herbivore Men will now be the normal-

Your average man will be overweight, socially awkward, addicted to some substance, stuck in a dead-end job (or reliant on UBI if that becomes a thing), living with roommates at best, undereducated, mentally checked out, and clinging to some male demi-god father figure for guidance.

2). Femcels will now be a thing-

Femcels already exist, but they’ve mostly been limited to the stereotypical "crazy cat lady" type. However, this culture is now crossing over to include average and even attractive women. The era of the single, independent "boss babe" is well past its peak. Your typical dateable single woman will lead a lonely, unfulfilling life, receiving less attention from men and rejecting the corporate hustle and casual dating scene that Millennial and Gen X women once embraced. If you want a glimpse of what this future looks like, check out this video or the solo camping vlogs that many Asian women are posting on YouTube. Invest in Pet stock lol.

3). People will have less sex, and Hedonistic activities will be limited to the lower class, certain communities, and Rich People- As many men hated feminism and the boss babe caricatures, this allowed all men to have access to casual sex at ease. With this in decline, you will see less casual sex in the dating environment which will make the game less fun.

4). Social Circles and Service jobs will be the only avenues to meeting women-

If you don’t have a healthy social circle, your best bet is to become a bartender, waiter, or take any job that constantly puts you in social situations with women. Otherwise, you’re completely cooked, lol.

5). Online Dating & Cold Approaching will be in the History Books-

Online dating will basically turn into Chatroulette for women—chaotic, full of dvck pics, and unreliable and just completely unusable for men—and may even cease to exist, except for niche apps like Seeking. Cold approaching will become extinct as women become less receptive to random interactions due to rising crime rates, social fatigue, and declining self-esteem. If you’re not already part of a woman’s social circle or community, your chances of interacting with her are practically zero.

6). Chads will convert to Tradcons, resulting in the official end of the Fvck Boy era-

Gen Z has a lower tolerance for f***boys and "bad boys" compared to Millennials and younger Gen X. This is largely because they’re poorer on average, and every guy their age is trying to imitate that persona. In a world of rising crime, stagnant wages, and skyrocketing living costs, traditional "bad boys" won’t thrive the way they once did. Instead, the new "Chad" will be a Herculean, ultra-disciplined, Alpha TradCon-type figure—one who embodies strength, stability, and traditional masculinity....Of course looks will still be the main factor.


7). BOLD PREDICTON: White men will become the most active in interracial dating-

White men are going to call it quits with white women and start gravitating toward non-white women in large numbers. This shift will make things harder for Hispanic, Asian, and rogue Black men, as they’ll now be competing with white men for their own women. Meanwhile, white and assimilated women will become less open to dating in general. The only exceptions will be minority men who are deeply rooted in strong cultural or social circles where language, zip codes and traditions create a significant barrier to outside competition.


8). Men suicides, depression and violent crimes will begin to be a major concern-

Unfortunately, it is easier today then it will be tomorrow. If you think there's going to be a happy ending for men in the future, then you have not been paying attention.


In this new environment, men will have two choices:

1. Gamble the second half of their lives by diving into hedonistic communities—becoming a bartender, server, party boy, etc.
2. Embrace temporary monogamy while leveling up until they reach a position where attracting high-SMV women requires minimal effort.

All of this has been happening for about 20 years now. If you are traditional you will be left behind. So don’t be traditional.

It’s not hard to get a girlfriend or get laid. I would argue that it’s easier than it has ever been because most men have no clue how to function in society let alone maintain themselves.

The Chad’s(which is technically me you are talking about) aren’t some special super humans. We either worked on ourselves or had lucky parents that taught us good behaviors. They make mistakes and are not invincible for women.

Rural men are the ones impacted the most by this. I personally don’t care about them and neither should you. Worry about your city instead.

 

[Solomon]

Ross Jefferies once remarked that many who followed in his footsteps were "sociopaths". Overused as that word is, Roosh was(and seems to still be)definitely a very troubled guy. I say this even as someone who agrees with a great deal of what he said

The issue with Roosh is he wanted a unicorn i.e. Young blonde, big butt, big boobs, flat stomach conservative white woman with Christian values but a virgin freak. Good luck finding that even in college nowadays. Roosh issue once he realized women could not make him happy instead he doubled down until he eventually realized that trying to "Bang" the whole world will not make you happy! I know roosh got offline and I hope he's happier now seeking the lord. I enjoyed his writings because Roosh was able to verbalize a lot of things that I was feeling or thinking but couldn't verbalize. He was an excellent writer when it came to women and seduction IMO. However, he also had somewhat warped view of women and the ideal partner (The unicorn) that a lot of men during that period had.

All of this has been happening for about 20 years now. If you are traditional you will be left behind. So don’t be traditional.

It’s not hard to get a girlfriend or get laid. I would argue that it’s easier than it has ever been because most men have no clue how to function in society let alone maintain themselves.

The Chad’s(which is technically me you are talking about) aren’t some special super humans. We either worked on ourselves or had lucky parents that taught us good behaviors. They make mistakes and are not invincible for women.

Rural men are the ones impacted the most by this. I personally don’t care about them and neither should you. Worry about your city instead.

I totally agree with the getting laid part. It's never been easier than it is today. You can literally set up multiple dates from your house while taking a shyt, and if you play it right smash the girl the same night you meet her etc. Guy's lament about 20 years ago, but as a guy who remembers 20 years ago. I can tell you from experience women put out faster and at a higher rate now than ever. 20 years ago a lot of women wouldn't put out unless you committed to them in a relationship and even then sometimes you had to wait awhile Also men 20 years ago IMO put in far more effort to get laid then men today. Online dating wasn't as popular as it is now, so men out to go outside to meet women. Men had to have social skills. If you go out now, are men still approaching women at bars and clubs? it depends on here you're at but I've been to places and seen men on the wall on their phones the whole night, kind of pathetic. Yes social media wasn't around but you still had to approach women, talk to them, get them out on dates or to come over etc.

I also agree with you that men have to worry about themselves so many guys are worried about the next guy but are you happy with your lovelife? are you happy with your options or choices? The "Chad" or "Tyrone" this forum is obsessed with (not saying you cause you're calling it out) doesn't give 2 craps about another man's lovelife,. Worry about the comp in your city, become your best self, learn social mastery and go after the women you want!