Do attractive women in their late 20's and 30's even go out?

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I am starting to think they only go out with their equally attractive female friends for a nice dinner at a higher end restaurant or at a bar/club.

Seriously, lately, I have been doing 5k races, taking cooking classes, group hikes, group kayaking, group lectures and recently just came back from a church Christmas concert. There are barely any attractive women at any of these events.

Sure, there will be attractive women at a mall or Starbucks, but these are usually girls in their late teens or early 20's.

Am I imagining things?
 

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Are you going out in Central New Jersey? That's a dead zone for pussie in between New York and Philadelphia.

If you were in New York (mainly Manhattan), you'd probably see plenty of late 20s and 30 something women out.
 

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Are you going out in Central New Jersey? That's a dead zone for pussie in between New York and Philadelphia.

If you were in New York (mainly Manhattan), you'd probably see plenty of late 20s and 30 something women out.
Yes, I am in Central Jersey
 

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Are you going out in Central New Jersey? That's a dead zone for pussie in between New York and Philadelphia.

If you were in New York (mainly Manhattan), you'd probably see plenty of late 20s and 30 something women out.
That's most of the USA. I moved to SEA and see hot Russian women all the time.
 

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Yes, I am in Central Jersey
This is a Central New Jersey problem. Central New Jersey is a dead zone for pussie.

Central New Jersey does get a little bit of action with some of the Jersey Shore towns in the summer months, such as Point Pleasant and Seaside Heights.

Outside of that, single people in Central New Jersey are stuck in a no man's land in the shadow of New York and Philadelphia. It is better to move to one of those cities.

That's most of the USA. I moved to SEA and see hot Russian women all the time.
There are a number of different places in the USA that are dead zones for pussie.

In the USA, mid-sized or bigger cities are the best pussie places. At a minimum, a single man 25+ needs to be in an area with 200,000+ population to have some pussie options. Additionally, there are areas in the USA between 200,000 - 499,999 population that aren't even that good for pussie. 500,000+ is a better bet.
 

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Seriously, lately, I have been doing 5k races, taking cooking classes, group hikes, group kayaking, group lectures and recently just came back from a church Christmas concert. There are barely any attractive women at any of these events.
Attractive women do go out but not to these types of events.
 

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Run clubs are getting a lot of hype lately in bigger cities as a method for meeting singles and finding dates. Those are similar to the 5k races.

The cooking class idea is an idea that gets thrown out there for singles. I've heard it for decades. I've looked into it and concluded that my target market has never been there.

Some group activities might be useful. If it is a group affiliated with the website Meetup.com, then it won't work. Meetup.com groups have a terrible reputation.
 

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To clubs and popular bars? No, they don't. Most of the women that go to those nowadays are painfully mid, tacky, and trashy.

If you want to see hot women in that age range, go to gym or health food stores.
 

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Run clubs are getting a lot of hype lately in bigger cities as a method for meeting singles and finding dates. Those are similar to the 5k races.

The cooking class idea is an idea that gets thrown out there for singles. I've heard it for decades. I've looked into it and concluded that my target market has never been there.

Some group activities might be useful. If it is a group affiliated with the website Meetup.com, then it won't work. Meetup.com groups have a terrible reputation.
I belong to some meetup groups and the attractive woman pool is very low indeed
 

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@oc16

As @Bokanovsky mentioned, attractive women don't need to go OUT of their way to meet men like this. They don't need to go to things like speed dating events or meetup groups for young professional singles.

Quite a while ago when I was actively trying to meet women, I've been completely checked out from the market for many years now, I actually delved a bit into some of the things you are mentioning. Meetup groups for singles are incredibly awkward and you'll find that they are more often than not heavily male dominated, meaning there are way more men than women. I also tried out a speed dating event and noticed the same thing, more men than women. I'll also add that the quality tends to be disappointingly low to be honest, not even with just looks but personality and social skills. There is a reason why women need to resort to things like this, which in itself is a huge red flag and turn off already.

You are not imagining this, the dating market has slowly become increasingly more and more awful as the years go by. I personally feel that things really started going downhill around 2014/2015, which was when dating apps took over the scene, but really fell off a cliff during COVID.

It's honestly very difficult to find a woman that is decently attractive, not a single mom, not crazy/psycho that also doesn't have some sort of addictive behaviors (weed, other drugs, nicotine, alcohol, etc.) AND who is actually single/not taken AND personally compatible with you AND interested in you. Overwhelming majority of men in relationships didn't need to go to these meetup groups or singles events to meet women. They didn't need to spam approach dozens of women nor spend time learning about game or this other nonsense repeated ad nauseum on here. No, things instead just lined up for them with no real effort, almost like it was meant to happen.

To add to this, you really aren't missing much with the personalities of most women today. I wish this was more abundantly understood by most men, but the reality is they don't bring much to the table other than the potential for sexual gratification.
 

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attractive women don't need to go OUT of their way to meet men like this. They don't need to go to things like speed dating events or meetup groups for young professional singles.

I actually delved a bit into some of the things you are mentioning. Meetup groups for singles are incredibly awkward and you'll find that they are more often than not heavily male dominated, meaning there are way more men than women. I also tried out a speed dating event and noticed the same thing, more men than women. I'll also add that the quality tends to be disappointingly low to be honest, not even with just looks but personality and social skills. There is a reason why women need to resort to things like this, which in itself is a huge red flag and turn off already.
Women do not need speed dating, a singles event, or a Meetup.com singles group in order to meet men. All of those things are bottom of the barrel ways to meet women for thirsty men who lack social circle options and social skills to do proper nightlife venue approaching or daygame approaching.

There's chatter on the internet that men aren't going to singles events anymore. It's false. While there might be some isolated events with subpar male attendance, the typical singles events has many more men than women. At the typical singles event, women with mediocre to subpar SMV levels are rejecting men on their level or even slightly/somewhat above their level. If men aren't attending singles events, it is because men don't want to showered/get dressed, drive/arrange transportation to the events, pay for drinks & the event, and then get rejected by entitled women. These entitled women believe they deserved a top tier man when they are often average to below average. Men don't need to go out into the real world to get rejected like this. They could sit at home without looking presentable and take these rejections on swipe apps. However, there are still enough thirsty men who are going to singles events and Meetup.com social group events.

Meetup.com in general has a VERY BAD reputation. Most singles groups and general social groups on Meetup.com involve thirsty single men swarming the few mediocre women who bother to attend. Cute and hot women learned a long time ago than Meetup.com groups are total garbage, especially cute and hot women under 35.

This forum has an excellent thread on structured singles events, including speed dating.


you really aren't missing much with the personalities of most women today. I wish this was more abundantly understood by most men, but the reality is they don't bring much to the table other than the potential for sexual gratification.
Men need sex. More and more men today are lacking access to sex. As a result, men are thirstier than ever. A thirsty man will put up with a lot of garbage from women in order to get sex from them in the conventional mating market.

Women hold a very powerful card with that potential for sexual gratification. Men are extremely motivated by sex.

Men lacking sex do some not good things. They become heavy consumers of porn, which causes problems. This porn consumption now includes simping for thots on OnlyFans.

It's very difficult for men to live without sex.
 

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Overwhelming majority of men in relationships didn't need to go to these meetup groups or singles events to meet women. They didn't need to spam approach dozens of women nor spend time learning about game or this other nonsense repeated ad nauseum on here. No, things instead just lined up for them with no real effort, almost like it was meant to happen.
As I’ve said, men with women met their women through the course of everyday life or OLD.

They didn’t pound the pavement cold approaching or speed date.
 

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It's baffling how much men DON'T understand women. Take( hypothetically)ANY somewhat cute woman and follow her throughout the day. You'll see that SHE will be constantly flirting, having conversations with men from all ages and races and SMVs, laughing and giggling , gets complimented ect. And she LOVES it. Hot women are everywhere

Then I also have to say; if you like kayaking, do it for YOU. If you do want (hot) women they'll be in the bar ,club, festivals and events where they can have FUN. They also know that confident men don't shy away from presenting themselves. Basically it comes down to this; hot women don't give a feck if you don't show up because there are plenty of men who DO feel great about themselves and aren't afraid to show it.

Men use every excuse is the book to actually AVOID hot women while simultaneously looking for a unicorn at a cooking class. Then those same men are upset that there are no hot women to be found. Why don't you go to that cooking class to learn how to cook? A skill you can use to your advantage for the rest of your life and might actually impress women.

You can also clay your own life where you do shyte YOU like, and if a woman comes into your life you can (maybe) get her to join you. You know that every woman can easily go from hb6 to hb8 with some make up clothes and fitness right?

Change your outlook. You carry this negativity with you like that comical rainy cloud.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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To clubs and popular bars? No, they don't. Most of the women that go to those nowadays are painfully mid, tacky, and trashy.

If you want to see hot women in that age range, go to gym or health food stores.
There are women ages 26-35 going to nightlife venues in big USA cities. Some are attractive. There are Instagram feeds that show that these attractive in their late 20s to mid 30s are going out to nightlife venues.

Gyms and fitness studios/fitness classes will have attractive women 26-35. These venues can be problematic for men.

On the general gym floor, nearly all women who are attractive will be wearing earbuds/headphones to discourage approaches from men. As a side benefit, they get to enjoy their own music as compared to the music that the gym plays over its speakers. Headphones/earbuds at the gym is not a music issue. If it were, there would be more men at the gym wearing earbuds/headphones. Most men are fine with listening to the music that their gym plays over the speakers. Women are motivated to use earbuds/headphones as a method of discouraging male approaches.

On the gym floor, men have a tough challenge with the earbud/headphone problem. Some men will go forth with approaching and it will usually not go well. It will often result in a harsh rejection. The only men who might be able to get away with this are very good looking men. Remember, there is data out there that women rate 80% of men below average.

Going to a gym fitness class or a standalone fitness studio concept is a way for men to work around the earbud/headphone problem. That alone has some value. Additionally, fitness classes have a majority female audience, regardless of the fitness class format. While the two things I've mentioned are advantages, they don't add up to a lot in the real world. It's very difficult to get extended conversations and arrange first dates as a result of attending fitness classes. Women are not very sociable at fitness classes, either before or after class. Even with that, fitness classes are not a waste of time, as a man will get a solid workout out of class attendance. However, it is a poor use of time for trying to arrange dates for most men. I've never heard of a man doing very well at a fitness class for getting dates.

In the thread below, fitness classes were rated as an F Tier way to go out and meet women for dating/sex purposes. Additionally, the cooking classes that @oc16 has recently attended were also rated in the F Tier. Fitness classes do have better looking and younger women attending as compared to cooking classes.


It's also good to discuss health food stores. In the USA, larger brands in this space would be considered Whole Foods, Sprouts, Trader Joe's, and Natural Grocers. I have done approach sessions at these types of stores, alongside more traditional supermarkets.

There will be attractive 26-35 year old women here. It will often take extended visits to these stores to get enough approach opportunities. In the book "Day Bang", Roosh talked about how he would spend entire afternoons in grocery stores to do approaches. I never spent entire afternoons in stores, but I have done things like spent 1 hour in a grocery store on a Saturday, and then 1 hour at a different store on a Sunday for approaches. I would buy groceries at each store on those approach sessions.

In general, Whole Foods/Sprouts type stores will have more attractive women than Walmart/Kroger/Albertsons brand stores but it's not a substantial difference. At all store types, it will take a long time to get in enough approaches to set up dates.

As I’ve said, men with women met their women through the course of everyday life or OLD.

They didn’t pound the pavement cold approaching or speed date.
Men with girlfriends/wives often met them through their social circles or swipe apps.

Approaching strangers is a very inefficient play and takes a lot of real life effort. OLD (aka swipe apps now) is probably more inefficient of a play for most men but men have the advantage of sitting at home looking unpresentable to start a lot of interactions.

Using dating websites/dating apps has replaced a lot of in-person approaching in the last 15-20 years. There is a diminished in-person approaching culture now as compared to the mid to late 2000s.

By "everyday life", you probably don't mean a lot of focused bar approaching. Focused non-bar approaching has always been a niche activity, even in the 1990s-2000s.

There is some insight into pounding the pavement, from Tom Torero prior to his death.


What kind of realistic expectations should you have? Well, depending on your starting point, your mileage will vary. But a solid daygamer should be able to get a number from 25% of the girls he approaches. Out of those numbers, 25% should come out on dates. And from those dates, 25% should end up in his bed. If you think those statistics are depressing then look at your ratios for Tinder or dating sites.
Based on this, a daygamer would need to approach 75 women to get 19 phone numbers, 4-5 dates, and 1 new sexual partner. That's using a strong systematic approach like the London Daygame Model. I think a lot of daygamers need to approach more than 75 women to find a new sexual partner. In a better case scenario, it would realistically take most men a while to do the 75 day approaches to find a new sexual partner. Additionally, in going through this, one would probably want that sexual partner to last for some amount of time based on the effort it takes to approach 75 women in non-bar venues.

Few men 'spam' daygame anymore. I've never seen a 'spam' daygamer in action in my city and I live in one of the biggest cities in the USA. I have done daygame approach sessions in some of the most notable daygame spots in my city. When I do daygame sessions, I am a little bit more selective with my approaches. In a 2 hour session outdoors on a popular walking path, I might only do 5 approaches.

I think that most daygamers will need to do over 100 approaches to get a sexual partner and it will take a lot of time to do that. I don't think most men can 'spam' daygame to shorten that time and I don't think there's a desire on the part of most men to 'spam' daygame.

An analysis of nightlife venue approaching is likely to turn up similar numbers.

While someone can get a girlfriend/wife from approaching a lot of strangers in real life, it is Game on Hard Mode. Using swipe apps is also the same thing (Game on Hard Mode). It's a bit of a pick your poison choice there.

I also think speed dating has a horrendous track record for forming couples.
 

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There are women ages 26-35 going to nightlife venues in big USA cities. Some are attractive. There are Instagram feeds that show that these attractive in their late 20s to mid 30s are going out to nightlife venues.

Gyms and fitness studios/fitness classes will have attractive women 26-35. These venues can be problematic for men.

On the general gym floor, nearly all women who are attractive will be wearing earbuds/headphones to discourage approaches from men. As a side benefit, they get to enjoy their own music as compared to the music that the gym plays over its speakers. Headphones/earbuds at the gym is not a music issue. If it were, there would be more men at the gym wearing earbuds/headphones. Most men are fine with listening to the music that their gym plays over the speakers. Women are motivated to use earbuds/headphones as a method of discouraging male approaches.

On the gym floor, men have a tough challenge with the earbud/headphone problem. Some men will go forth with approaching and it will usually not go well. It will often result in a harsh rejection. The only men who might be able to get away with this are very good looking men. Remember, there is data out there that women rate 80% of men below average.
First of all women are HIGHLY insecure. I don't believe they deliberately wear Buds to avoid approach. One important thing is to NOT wear them yourself. Enjoy the music in the gym, oftentimes it fits the setting. If you do decide to wear them know you kinda isolate yourself. And sometimes that's oke.

Secondly, an approach can also be disguised as a "normal social interaction ". You can simply greet her, eventually talk to her and build momentum. Perhaps you see her outside the gym and now you can use that momentum. "Heeeey Stacy from the gym, never seen you in normal clothes HAHAHA ".

Going to a gym fitness class or a standalone fitness studio concept is a way for men to work around the earbud/headphone problem. That alone has some value. Additionally, fitness classes have a majority female audience, regardless of the fitness class format. While the two things I've mentioned are advantages, they don't add up to a lot in the real world. It's very difficult to get extended conversations and arrange first dates as a result of attending fitness classes. Women are not very sociable at fitness classes, either before or after class. Even with that, fitness classes are not a waste of time, as a man will get a solid workout out of class attendance. However, it is a poor use of time for trying to arrange dates for most men. I've never heard of a man doing very well at a fitness class for getting dates.

In the thread below, fitness classes were rated as an F Tier way to go out and meet women for dating/sex purposes. Additionally, the cooking classes that @oc16 has recently attended were also rated in the F Tier. Fitness classes do have better looking and younger women attending as compared to cooking classes.
Gotta play the LONG game. You firstly enter such a class because YOU wanna get fit. So you DGAF if it would be all men. If there are let's say 10 women, I bet that at least ONE will somewhat like you. Women just don't show that that easily. That's why you gotta ASSUME she likes you. " I'm ripped ,got some cash , good D game and I am charming. What not to like about me?"


It's also good to discuss health food stores. In the USA, larger brands in this space would be considered Whole Foods, Sprouts, Trader Joe's, and Natural Grocers. I have done approach sessions at these types of stores, alongside more traditional supermarkets.

There will be attractive 26-35 year old women here. It will often take extended visits to these stores to get enough approach opportunities. In the book "Day Bang", Roosh talked about how he would spend entire afternoons in grocery stores to do approaches. I never spent entire afternoons in stores, but I have done things like spent 1 hour in a grocery store on a Saturday, and then 1 hour at a different store on a Sunday for approaches. I would buy groceries at each store on those approach sessions.

In general, Whole Foods/Sprouts type stores will have more attractive women than Walmart/Kroger/Albertsons brand stores but it's not a substantial difference. At all store types, it will take a long time to get in enough approaches to set up dates.
If you are that confident ****y dude it ALWAYS game on with EVERY (hot) woman that crosses your path, regardless of the setting. Even regardless of her relationship status. Gotta learn to SMILE more!!!
Men with girlfriends/wives often met them through their social circles or swipe apps.

Approaching strangers is a very inefficient play and takes a lot of real life effort. OLD (aka swipe apps now) is probably more inefficient of a play for most men but men have the advantage of sitting at home looking unpresentable to start a lot of interactions.

Using dating websites/dating apps has replaced a lot of in-person approaching in the last 15-20 years. There is a diminished in-person approaching culture now as compared to the mid to late 2000s.

By "everyday life", you probably don't mean a lot of focused bar approaching. Focused non-bar approaching has always been a niche activity, even in the 1990s-2000s.

There is some insight into pounding the pavement, from Tom Torero prior to his death.




Based on this, a daygamer would need to approach 75 women to get 19 phone numbers, 4-5 dates, and 1 new sexual partner. That's using a strong systematic approach like the London Daygame Model. I think a lot of daygamers need to approach more than 75 women to find a new sexual partner. In a better case scenario, it would realistically take most men a while to do the 75 day approaches to find a new sexual partner. Additionally, in going through this, one would probably want that sexual partner to last for some amount of time based on the effort it takes to approach 75 women in non-bar venues.
OLD should be supplementary to your overall game. Life as a man is NEVER on easy mode.

You can only be disappointed if you expect a lot...
Few men 'spam' daygame anymore. I've never seen a 'spam' daygamer in action in my city and I live in one of the biggest cities in the USA. I have done daygame approach sessions in some of the most notable daygame spots in my city. When I do daygame sessions, I am a little bit more selective with my approaches. In a 2 hour session outdoors on a popular walking path, I might only do 5 approaches.

I think that most daygamers will need to do over 100 approaches to get a sexual partner and it will take a lot of time to do that. I don't think most men can 'spam' daygame to shorten that time and I don't think there's a desire on the part of most men to 'spam' daygame.

An analysis of nightlife venue approaching is likely to turn up similar numbers.

While someone can get a girlfriend/wife from approaching a lot of strangers in real life, it is Game on Hard Mode. Using swipe apps is also the same thing (Game on Hard Mode). It's a bit of a pick your poison choice there.

I also think speed dating has a horrendous track record for forming couples.
You don't see that because the real ones DISGUISE their approaches. They blend in , and when an opportunity arise they will be on it like a hawk.

So they won't do "75 straight up - hey what your number - approaches ", but they WILL dip their toes into the water and IF the woman is receptive only THEN they'll enter the "whats your nr " territory. Basically they won't even know how much women they approach, because they try to close the gap CONSTANTLY. It becomes a lifestyle rather than a task.
 

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Yes, I am in Central Jersey
Central Jersey, or Central New Jersey, is the middle region of the U.S. state of New Jersey. The designation Central Jersey is a distinct administrative toponym.[2][3] While New Jersey is often divided into North Jersey and South Jersey, many residents recognize Central Jersey as a distinct third entity.[4] As of the 2020 census, Central Jersey has a population of 3,580,999.

Central Jersey

I am in a small town in Europe ( 58.000) and there are TONS of hot women. If you don't see any hot women in a area of approx 3/4 million people...cmon now bro.

Cmon brooooo!!!!
 

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One important thing is to NOT wear them yourself. Enjoy the music in the gym, often times it fits the setting.
I have never worn earbuds/headphones to the gym.

You firstly enter such a class because YOU wanna get fit. So you DGAF if it would be all men. If there are let's say 10 women, I bet that at least ONE will somewhat like you. Women just don't show that that easily. That's why you gotta ASSUME she likes you. " I'm ripped ,got some cash , good D game and I am charming. What not to like about me?"
Many women dart out of fitness classes before anyone could possibly approach them. It's unknown if these women have boyfirends/husbands or are single and available. I think most would already have boyfriends/husbands.

It's difficult to engage women in conversation from class attendance.

Yes, classes will help with overall fitness. However, men can get fit without a group exercise class.
 

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most attractive and intelligent women are working... and then going home to relax. unless, the man is a chad, she doesn't pursue and she doesn't give any opening.

most women are burned out from getting her back blown out from chad and aren't really into dating. A lot in my opinion are "alpha widowed".. or have some form of that.

this is just my conjecture on where attractive women are. yeah, it would be nice to see some concrete analysis..

ps.

I think most average women who are attractive because of their youth are already taken. they are dating "high value" men of all age groups. after the women start to lose their looks, a lot of them are being alpha widowed and will no longer date average guys.... and average guys don't really want to pursue them. high value men want to just have casual relationship because society doesn't shame them anymore for playing arround.

then average guys wonder where all the "attractive" women are....
 
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