SpartanWarrior77
Senior Don Juan
I know..I know...As men of the no time on BS, hardcore game variety, we're not supposed to waste time chasing women who are hard to get, etc.
I do A LOT of volume when it comes to daygame mostly. I've had some great success.
But I'm at a point now where if a chick doesn't put out relatively quick, I spot all types of "red flags" and usually don't tolerate her much but this has significatly narrowed my prospects down because I'm basically looking for chicks who I'm simultaneously very attracted to, who are super attracted to me, cool, non dramatic, down for fun and not anxious in any way to settle, respectful, etc.
I always wondered though if all this volume is making me take each approach for granted resulting in a type of cynicism but not just that... it's a refusal to make any effort in the seduction itself. Let me explain...
They've done studies on the concept of scarcity in all kinds of domains and for example I heard about one study that gave each participant a certain number of arrows to hit target with bow. The ones with the least amount of arrows scored better because they really took the time to hit their targets unlike the participants with tons of arrows who took each shot for granted. Warren Buffet famously said that if he could recommend an approach to investing for new investors, he would give them a stencil card with a maximum of 20 investments they could make in their entire life. That way they make A LOT less investments but the ones they make F&CKING count. Same in the sniper teams, one shot, one kill, fire discipline.
I obviously make tremendous effort in my health, spiritual growth, reading, career, etc, which all has a beneficial effect on my game of course BUT my game itself is becoming sort of boring.
That's not to say that I am boring. I am well traveled and can tell endless stories BUT what I'm getting at is something a bit different here, try to get me...
Ever seen that movie Hitch with Will Smith? Yeah, I know...unrealistic, Will is a cuck bla bla bla. I get it and I'm prone to agreeing with you but what I'm trying to emphasize here is the concept of a longer term seduction...Electra or whatever that chick's name was (the target of the beta guy), it required a complex series of maneuvers...
In theory, wouldn't that be more fun?
Has anyone here read Casanova's actual memoirs? Look at the lengths he goes to in order to seduce, the sheer artistry, strategy, patience and maneuvering!? Now compare that to the cynical red pill guy who's fit and bold BUT has no tolerance for such things. He "knows" his value and doesn't really try and the thing is that this approach works! It really does but the problem is that you waste endless amounts of time on these mediocre tepid seductions that aren't interesting as you slew through tons of coal to get to some gold and again, if you're like me, you sort of wait until the girl is super into you and u slowly allow her into ur life...
But what about an interesting fully engaging sniper type seduction where you really single out 1 to 3 girls MAXIMUM focusing your effort and attention on a longer term much more thought out seduction? And you choose girls who give u a ton of resistance or are more complicated to seduce but you turn it into an intellectual game?
You'd have to bypass all of the conventional red pill attitudes regarding scarcity mentality, being the prize, not givig a girl who isn't reciprocating effort, etc.
But what if you did this and got her in the end... Wouldn't that have been more rewarding than just being cold and barely putting in any effort until some chick comes along who recognizes your value which could be a long time...
And look, I know this ultimately sets the wrong precedent in the relationship because now she might expect u to jump through endless hoops and make tons of effort all the time so perhaps u would do this more as a intellectual exercise but u wouldn't use this approach when prospecting for true LTRs.
And to be clear, I'm not advocating for a return to beta simpery and spending endless cash on women to woo them. I'm talking about something more nuanced than that. I'm talking about seduction, not buying her or bribing her desire. I'm talking about a unique effort. For example, a grand gesture of sorts, or series of small but meaningful gestures. I don't have much ideas yet but that's why I'm curious...
I don't know, just something I've thought about for a while. Don't know if anyone here has had similar thoughts or experiences...Anyone here engage in a highly engaging and complex seduction that took a long time? Anyone find it rewarding?
I guess I feel it to be time for a renaissance of seduction on some level and I'm tired of feeling like it's a depressing slog through urine tainted mud on a gloomy day hoping to find a gem...
I do A LOT of volume when it comes to daygame mostly. I've had some great success.
But I'm at a point now where if a chick doesn't put out relatively quick, I spot all types of "red flags" and usually don't tolerate her much but this has significatly narrowed my prospects down because I'm basically looking for chicks who I'm simultaneously very attracted to, who are super attracted to me, cool, non dramatic, down for fun and not anxious in any way to settle, respectful, etc.
I always wondered though if all this volume is making me take each approach for granted resulting in a type of cynicism but not just that... it's a refusal to make any effort in the seduction itself. Let me explain...
They've done studies on the concept of scarcity in all kinds of domains and for example I heard about one study that gave each participant a certain number of arrows to hit target with bow. The ones with the least amount of arrows scored better because they really took the time to hit their targets unlike the participants with tons of arrows who took each shot for granted. Warren Buffet famously said that if he could recommend an approach to investing for new investors, he would give them a stencil card with a maximum of 20 investments they could make in their entire life. That way they make A LOT less investments but the ones they make F&CKING count. Same in the sniper teams, one shot, one kill, fire discipline.
I obviously make tremendous effort in my health, spiritual growth, reading, career, etc, which all has a beneficial effect on my game of course BUT my game itself is becoming sort of boring.
That's not to say that I am boring. I am well traveled and can tell endless stories BUT what I'm getting at is something a bit different here, try to get me...
Ever seen that movie Hitch with Will Smith? Yeah, I know...unrealistic, Will is a cuck bla bla bla. I get it and I'm prone to agreeing with you but what I'm trying to emphasize here is the concept of a longer term seduction...Electra or whatever that chick's name was (the target of the beta guy), it required a complex series of maneuvers...
In theory, wouldn't that be more fun?
Has anyone here read Casanova's actual memoirs? Look at the lengths he goes to in order to seduce, the sheer artistry, strategy, patience and maneuvering!? Now compare that to the cynical red pill guy who's fit and bold BUT has no tolerance for such things. He "knows" his value and doesn't really try and the thing is that this approach works! It really does but the problem is that you waste endless amounts of time on these mediocre tepid seductions that aren't interesting as you slew through tons of coal to get to some gold and again, if you're like me, you sort of wait until the girl is super into you and u slowly allow her into ur life...
But what about an interesting fully engaging sniper type seduction where you really single out 1 to 3 girls MAXIMUM focusing your effort and attention on a longer term much more thought out seduction? And you choose girls who give u a ton of resistance or are more complicated to seduce but you turn it into an intellectual game?
You'd have to bypass all of the conventional red pill attitudes regarding scarcity mentality, being the prize, not givig a girl who isn't reciprocating effort, etc.
But what if you did this and got her in the end... Wouldn't that have been more rewarding than just being cold and barely putting in any effort until some chick comes along who recognizes your value which could be a long time...
And look, I know this ultimately sets the wrong precedent in the relationship because now she might expect u to jump through endless hoops and make tons of effort all the time so perhaps u would do this more as a intellectual exercise but u wouldn't use this approach when prospecting for true LTRs.
And to be clear, I'm not advocating for a return to beta simpery and spending endless cash on women to woo them. I'm talking about something more nuanced than that. I'm talking about seduction, not buying her or bribing her desire. I'm talking about a unique effort. For example, a grand gesture of sorts, or series of small but meaningful gestures. I don't have much ideas yet but that's why I'm curious...
I don't know, just something I've thought about for a while. Don't know if anyone here has had similar thoughts or experiences...Anyone here engage in a highly engaging and complex seduction that took a long time? Anyone find it rewarding?
I guess I feel it to be time for a renaissance of seduction on some level and I'm tired of feeling like it's a depressing slog through urine tainted mud on a gloomy day hoping to find a gem...
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