Was this an IOI?

[corrector]

I was on a crowded train riding home from work as it was late at night at the end of a baseball game and the trains were packed in. A PAWG with dyed hair got up from her seat to offer it to another eldelry passanger, then stood infront of me with her a$$ so close that it was like less than an inch away. I painstakingly avoided getting too close to actually get in contact with her there. She kept that position throughout the ride and even held on to some of bar ahead and slouched forward almost almost like a stand-up doggie-style position. She was aware, that I'm a guy, and I'm standing behind her the whole time while she doing this.

Is this an IOI from this lady? She could have moved somewhere else on the train or turned and face me or some other position....whereas this felt so close it was like a lapdance with clothes on enough for a small hard at the time. Any bump in the train in the wrong angle could have had me go directly into her backside. Again, I maintained a small distance away to ensure no contact occurred, even almost backing into another passanger who was sitting down to avoid contact with her a$$.

The whole scene has played out again a few times in my mind and has become fapping subject fodder. I guess that's the safest approach after all (ie memorize it and then think about the "what ifs" at home). But was that like an IOI though? Would you have accidentally "bumped" into her and guaged her reaction or play it safe like I did here? How would you have applied game to this situation?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Maybe the PAWG wanted a PABG?

could happen…

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Just another naughty girl looking to get spanked. Nothing to see here. Move on.

 

[TheGambino]

Looking at you playing with her hair, bumping into you moving around like a cat. Smiling to you, standing in front of you going out of her way to do so.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You chose to do nothing so you'll never know.

The pain of rejection is far lower than the pain of regret.

 

[corrector]

Looking at you playing with her hair, bumping into you moving around like a cat. Smiling to you, standing in front of you going out of her way to do so.

True. Thanks for clarifying. It's probably not an IOI then and I was reading too much into it. There was no IOD either. Probably just reading too much into it.

 

[corrector]

You chose to do nothing so you'll never know.

The pain of rejection is far lower than the pain of regret.

The pain of a potential sexual assault charge (ie what they call it in Canada if you grope someone) is far lower than the pain of regret.

That type of physical interaction sounds too risky unless, as @TheGambino pointed out, she actually physically bumped into me. It could just be a happy coincidence for that moment rather than meaning anything more than that. I guess things are so bad with me that I'm flattered if a lady is not replused by me and stays in my space, but it doesn't mean it is an interest on her end.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The pain of a potential sexual assault charge (ie what they call it in Canada if you grope someone) is far lower than the pain of regret.

That type of physical interaction sounds too risky unless, as @TheGambino pointed out, she actually physically bumped into me. It could just be a happy coincidence for that moment rather than meaning anything more than that. I guess things are so bad with me that I'm flattered if a lady is not replused by me and stays in my space, but it doesn't mean it is an interest on her end.

So the only two options are to either sexually assault someone or do nothing?

Jesus man, you are really beyond help.

 

[TheGambino]

The pain of a potential sexual assault charge (ie what they call it in Canada if you grope someone) is far lower than the pain of regret.

That type of physical interaction sounds too risky unless, as @TheGambino pointed out, she actually physically bumped into me. It could just be a happy coincidence for that moment rather than meaning anything more than that. I guess things are so bad with me that I'm flattered if a lady is not replused by me and stays in my space, but it doesn't mean it is an interest on her end.

Just go talk to her then you know

 

[corrector]

So the only two options are to either sexually assault someone or do nothing?

Jesus man, you are really beyond help.

If I had contact direclty with her a$$ then it's a potential charge of sexual assault. Of course I could say it was a train bump accident and depending on how she responds to that, I'd be able to better guage that. If she actually likes that, then obviously it would be easier to talk with her because the part of the mind that sees her as "hostile" with me is going to be turned-off and I'm more likely going to be my natural self talking with her.

Otherwise, how do you talk to someone in a crowded train whose back is against you anyway. What are you going to say, "hi, how are you? Do you come on this train often?" Assuming she can even hear since the train is a bit rickey-rackety and there are people talking all around.

Obviously, doing nothing is the best option. No there is no regret from doing nothing there since there was no IOI, therefore, there is nothing to lose. Convos and game only work with women who are interested in the first place.

 

[corrector]

What I have to get is that women don't like me to approach them, and just because some women are not repulsed by me, does not mean that they are interested with me. It may be I'm just not repulsive enough for them to move away in that moment.

Therefore, just because some women have inadvertently come into my personal space. That does not mean anything. It's just my mind playing tricks on me when these things happen. It is like a tease, that's all.

Hopefully this thread will burst the bubble. Already I'm no longer fapping to this anymore. Thanks everyone. This is no longer a fappable memory.

 

[corrector]

..that being said, it was still a "raw and visceral" experience. Any communciation with her would have undermined the pure rawness of it during the moment.

 

[pipeman84]

You wrote it was a packed train, that's probably why she didn't move somewhere else. So she had to choose between standing with her back at you or standing facing you. She chose the first, which hardly makes it an IOI. If she had chosen to stand facing you and look at you/smile then that would've been an IOI.

Would you have accidentally "bumped" into her and guaged her reaction or play it safe like I did here?

I think you did the right thing. 'Accidentally' bumping into a woman on a train late at night is creepy and not suave at all.

 

[corrector]

You wrote it was a packed train, that's probably why she didn't move somewhere else. So she had to choose between standing with her back at you or standing facing you. She chose the first, which hardly makes it an IOI. If she had chosen to stand facing you and look at you/smile then that would've been an IOI.

That's true, but she could have stood in such a way that her but was a bit further away from my crotch, or she could have turned around and avoided that completely. It's like she didn't care that I was standing there or that she could have bumped back into me.

I did google some reddit threads on the subject for kicks the same night. It turns out some women like play with absolute strangers that way. Again, I don't know if this is one of those types of girls. But then worrying about if it's a type of girl that loves random strangers groping them on a public train or type that would call the police, is a bit of a Russian Roulette.

I think you did the right thing. 'Accidentally' bumping into a woman on a train late at night is creepy and not suave at all.

If her a$$ was an inch away from my crotch to the point I just have to stare down at my feet and I'm seeing her a$$ and it's blocking the view to my feet (a fact that did get it hard during the trip), then that is still darn close. I've also mentioned that I backed away from her a little because I was worried she might accidentally bump into me...in fact, if I had blindfolds on and relaxed, there is a 90% chance her a$$ would have been in contact with my crotch at some point during the trip. I was on pins and needles to make sure there was no accidental contact and tensed up the whole trip.