Tired of Games

[BaronOfHair]

Connecting deeply with a woman these days is practically like winning the lottery anyways.

Unless you're married or close to this with a broad, don't expect "deep connections". Hell, we moderns expect too much of that even from our spouses. Get on MeetUp, and link up with the nearest gathering of philosophy enthusiasts, if this sort of thing is what you're in the market for

 

[Don Jax]

Unless you're married or close to this with a broad, don't expect "deep connections". Hell, we moderns expect too much of that even from our spouses. Get on MeetUp, and link up with the nearest gathering of philosophy enthusiasts, if this sort of thing is what you're in the market for

As I understand it, the point of the OP is to go beyond the superficiality of relationships. To connect with your guard down, without the need to play games and so on.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

As I understand it, the point of the OP is to go beyond the superficiality of relationships. To connect with your guard down, without the need to play games and so on.

I'd love to leave my bicycle unlocked, but that's not how reality functions.

 

[BaronOfHair]

As I understand it, the point of the OP is to go beyond the superficiality of relationships. To connect with your guard down, without the need to play games and so on.

I understood what he wrote, and my answer remains the same: Don't seek that from women, especially one you ain't married(or, at the very least, something similar)to. The very notion that it's advisable and healthy for men to turn to the women in their lives for such things is relatively new and also pretty f-cking insane

Modern mens's yearning to discuss the greater complexities of life with other men is really what draws so many of us to forums like SS, if we're being honest, more so than our visceral desire to bed chicks

 

[Gamisch]

If you are 24 and already burned down ..

This is your prime. You oughtta create a solid roster with at least 4 h0es who'll stick around. Yes ,they'll stray, but they'll return.

Other then that I am really sorry to say, but this IS the game. It's an ungrateful game at times, takes tons of effort for arguably little results,but life without that result ( named p00sy) is also...quite grim to say the least.

Woman = games. Married, feck buddy, gf, friend zoned..it's ALWAYS a game. Get used to it is accept that it's just ain't for you.

 

[BeExcellent]

The issues you are having are a very common experience for young(ish) men today, in fact I'd go as far to say that this is the norm. You are living in a time with a dating culture that has been completely warped by social media and dating apps. A young woman today could have access to more potential suitors in one week than a woman from previous generations would have had in an entire lifetime. This was a hard reality for me to accept a few years ago, but a woman that you are talking to is very likely in contact with at least a few men that are comparable to you or possibly better than you.

Women are also far more readily eager to next men instead of giving them a 2nd date, which is a result of the sheer (over)abundance they have with their options of male suitors. Maybe she likes guys that are 6'+ and fit, but you have a sense of humor she doesn't understand or she doesn't like the way you chew your food lol. Again, women today are far fussier than what you would have seen with previous generations of women.

This says a lot about our current times when many young men compare getting a decent girlfriend to that of winning the lottery. This is something I've seen a lot of online but I've also been noticing it in the real world, especially over the last couple years. This isn't some isolated issue unique to black pillers, incel communities, etc. but is instead something affecting the broader male population. I've said this before and I'll say it again, the overwhelming majority of baby boomer males that got married and had children would be total incels in today's dating market.

Keep your head up but try not to obsess over something like this, it's not healthy.

That's great advice @sangheilios. Hopefully OP will listen.

The old lady's advice to OP is first decide what the end goal is for you and relationships. Start there. Being a player juggling various women is a very different goal than being in a committed LTR (as examples) and require a different strategy.

So where do you want to end up? That determines what you do.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

So life is just a game, and there's many ways to play, and all we do is choose.

Some philosophy and musical education.


On the other hand, if you feel that the games played by women in the dating scene are so vastly greater than your abilities, you can use the challenges to become the greatest DJ you can be.... ...... or just go black pill.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

So life is just a game, and there's many ways to play, and all we do is choose.

The whole album is great. My kids loved listening to School Days on car trips.

 

[BaronOfHair]

All this is because of the marriage system, and also beta males thinking they are equal to alphas.

Us using those terms "alpha" and "beta" super-seriously, instead of just a light hearted slang, hasn't been helpful either

 

[BaronOfHair]

They just care about themselves and spin the carousel. They give a **** about nothing else. They think they have it all.

What's described between 31:51-32:52

Has infected The Manosphere no less fatally than it has every other facet of culture. We now expect our women to not simply be energetic lovers and pleasant companions, but swaddle and care for us like f-cking babies. This, while we label ourselves Alphas and Sigmas...

 

[Solomon]

I don't mind a bit of mental gymnastics with a woman and at times I enjoy testing my wits against hers especially when I beat her

But I am only playing if the rules are clear and fair , once a woman starts taking days to reply to me I lose interest very fvcking quickly

Also usually when they are entertaining too many men the problems start ,

No man should ever be begging any woman for her attention yet its happening day in day out and this has warped the game too heavily in the female favour

The smart women are aware of this and they know deep down that forcing men to chase them isn't going to make them happy in the long run.

but Women on swipe apps are so delusional I think ghosting is seen as some sort of right of passage to her " PERFECT MAN "

They seem to generally disrespecting mens time and then wonder why they are single

really men around the world need to call them out more on it , because if it was the other way around there would be endless social media videos complaining about it

Ultimately most guys are too proud to admit this terrible female behaviour which seems to have become prevalent in the last 10-20 years

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I will rarely if ever double message a woman and hell will freeze over before I ever beg for a woman's time or attention as quite simply mine is worth more than hers

I burn through a lot of leads because of this and at the slightest sign the games are turning into disrespect I am out of there

Women are ruthless when it comes to dating at times, most men are soft which is evident by posts on this forum for example

"Should I text her a week later"

"She didn't text back should I call"

"When to contact a girl who flakes again"​

^^Or any other variation of these topics come up on a weekly basis, however for 90% of women once she is done with you she is done ain't no coming back unless you're one of them ones she truly fancies most men just aren't and sadly most men will never experience what it's like to be a woman's number one choice. How many men can honestly say they had women pay for a first date? How many men can Say you had a woman driving an 1+ to come see you? How many women have sent them unsolicited naughty pictures begging the guy to have his way with her? etc

Nowadays I'm very ruthless with women, I will delete women for any infraction and why not? if I'm not getting what I want out of a woman (which is quality time) why would I jump through hoops when there is one who is willing to give me her time and than some more? to many men out here chasing after coochie. Guys waiting to text a disintersted women back after a week or hell even after a month hoping she changed her mind. Guys asking a girl out who flaked on them, when she should be the one asking you!

Men wonder why women's behavior is so unruly because men are the ones putting up with the disrespect and instead of putting their foot down men keep putting up with disrespect which is evident on this website. When you have men for example telling other men to chase after a woman who flaked on them for example when there was a time when women didn't do that. But now it's "OK" so men should just suck it up have the woman flake than ask her out again in hopes of spending your money and valuable time on a woman with low interest. Yes I know there are situations where flakes are legit but IMO it's still poor behavior

Last week I matched with this cutie on an app. I told her I would be busy (which was true) and I would meet her for drinks at Fogo De Chao in the city on Saturday after a photo shoot that I would be doing Pro-bono for a friend, now why did this chick say it's too far of a drive and she wants to meet somewhere 20 minutes away? you know what I did? I deleted her cut-off contact. Now a lot of guys would say "Solo you're an idiot why not just meet her where she wants you to meet her?" cause my time is valuable if I'm in the city where 99% of women have no issues meeting a guy why would I chase after the 1% chick who has given me no reason to chase pursue her whatsoever except some dry text about how she is a bossgirl? Once you start to prioritize yourself you will lose a lot of women but the women that you do get in return tend to be 10X better overall!

Game is Game

 

[Solomon]

I've just come across this thread.

OP, I understand your feeling.

I've developed a low tolerance over my years for women who play games of any kind. She's playing hard to get? She has little interest. Next. Taking too long to answer you? Next.

If a woman is playing games with you, she's not the ideal woman.

When you apply this, it gets easier. BUT, for this to work, you need to have other plates. Otherwise, you end up feeling alone. Especially if you're a lone wolf in life in general.

It's important to find a balance. Having a low tolerance like this will burn bridges.

It's better IMO to be alone than to pursue chase after a woman who has low interest in you or stringing you along especially if she is getting porked by another guy who is getting her time and doesn't have to do half the **** you're doing. You can find balance in pursuing hobbies, wealth, fitness goals etc. If you as a man aren't ok with going periods of your life alone what will you do when a woman leaves you?

I rather have 0 plates, than have 5 plates who are mildly interested in me with unenthusiastic sex. I was dating a girl who was 26 years old back in January-February. The girl hated her job, was broke, and on Anti-depressants. I have dated women in their early to mid 20s before and this girl was just always a drag to hang out with, no sense of humor, seldom smiled, and always complaining about her life. I could tell right away we weren't a good match and now that I think about it I honestly don't think she ever liked me but tolerated me because I was her best option. I tolerated her for the sex but eventually, that got boring as it lacked any passion and felt like a cumbersome chore all within a month!

She thought that she was doing enough by giving me sex and driving 25 minutes to see me that it deserved exclusivity and got tired of me treating her like a booty call (in fairness I treated her more like FWB). Men need to realize and have standards for a woman to be your wife or heck even your girlfriend she has to do more than just give you sex, to many guys don't realize that if a woman truly fancies you she will give you her quality time, her energy and heck even money. However most men are just happy to get sex because that's all most men qualify for.

Game is Game

 

[Don Jax]

It's better IMO to be alone than to pursue chase after a woman who has low interest in you or stringing you along especially if she is getting porked by another guy who is getting her time and doesn't have to do half the **** you're doing.

Agreed. It's about self-respect. She will be surprised when you stop (or not even start) to chase her.

Again, they behave like that because, in their minds, they are the prize. Which I don't blame them for thinking, because a girl probably has 100 guys in her DMs begging for crumbs of attention.

if I'm not getting what I want out of a woman (which is quality time) why would I jump through hoops when there is one who is willing to give me her time and than some more? to many men out here chasing after coochie. Guys waiting to text a disintersted women back after a week or hell even after a month hoping she changed her mind. Guys asking a girl out who flaked on them, when she should be the one asking you!

You nailed it.