Which coaches are the real deal?

[MtmVaott]

All you need is Doc Love, self-improvement, and practice.

Nothing wrong with Cory Wayne, but his book is boring a fvck... and really it's just Doc Love with sex and Tony Robbins BS.... but it's okay. I guess if I had to recommend anyone, since Tom Hodges (AKA Doc Love) is dead, it would be Wayne. You can get most of his content for free but I don't think I would waste any money with one-on-one coaching with anyone.

@RangerMIke @Glassguy Do you remember a resource before The System appeared, that provided core principles of it?

 

[RangerMIke]

@RangerMIke @Glassguy Do you remember a resource before The System appeared, that provided core principles of it?

I really don't know what happened until Doc Love came on the scene 20 years ago, there was a lot of PUA stuff that was around in the 80s and 90s. I guess the only thing that was popular that came out in the 90s was "Men are from Mars: Women are from Venus" which was a pretty decent book explaining how and why the genders are different, but that book didn't really give advice on what to do with this information. Another book was "The Rules" again which came out in the 90s, that basically was geared towards women, but some of the principles could be applied to men as well... it was basic human behavior stuff... we don't value what is easy, maintaining emotional self control... letting potential partners go when you aren't getting what you want. Put yourself first....

I guess if I had to figure out where the "System" came from it was an expansion of "Men are from Mars: Women are from Venus" and a male targeted presentation of this like "The Rules" were for women.

 

[elitewarrior]

None compare to the late Doc Love. Agree with @RangerMIke , all you need is The System & life experience.

So true

 

[BaronOfHair]

I like Bobby Rio and Rob Judge's advice. It has done me well

Rio, Judge, Scott McKay(A much more skillfull interviewer and writer than instructor, but I digress)and all these fellas who predate The Manosphere and The Great Regression we've been in from '16-today provide invaluable counsel. None claim to be PUAs, or try to sell men on the lie that you'll always be able to snag every hot piece of ass you're lusting after at the moment

 

[oOh Nasty]

No one probably. PUA courses are kind of like millionaire/marketing/get rich coaching courses in that, they'll probably just tell you **** that you can find for free on the internet. Some people may find value in that though. It's kind of like this forum. The base fundamentals of being attractive to women are known to most of us who've been here for awhile. But, sometimes we're able to present things in a different angle or perspective that makes said thing interesting to think about again. When it comes to attracting women, you've got everything you need here on sosuave. The end game seems to be when us dudes start debates on topics such as "looks matter, confidence is key, hms is king, etc."

It would be nice to find another redpill/manosphere/game/women's-nature guru that says things that are unique to what every other guy is saying. Between the tates, fresh and fit, the whatever podcast, rollo, etc...can't say I've heard anything unique for the past few years I've been watching them. I'm always trying to find nuggets of wisdom, but rarely am I ever able to be pleasantly surprised by hearing anything that i'd consider to be groundbreaking. The last guy that had an impact on me, and I think you should all re-visit him when you get a chance, is the Roissy guy from chateau heartiste. He just made the most sense to me and put emphasis on the intricacies of why the dark triad personality is the most attractive to women.

It seems nowadays, most "gurus" are on the trend of just pointing out all the **** that's wrong with women, as if we don't already know. How many times can you point out that a h0e is h0e? And how many times does it need to be said and defended that father figures are important...etc, etc.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

He just made the most sense to me and put emphasis on the intricacies of why the dark triad personality is the most attractive to women.

You needed him to tell you that? So what did he have to say about that?