strategies that *don't* involve alcohol

[GoodMan32]

Some of you might remember me. I've shared the stories on here of my most recent 2 dates (the most recent date was in 2023; the 2nd most recent date was in 2018).

Neither of the dates led to sex.

Some of the posters on here told me sex would have happened if I invited the woman over for drinks after the date. When I shared the stories with a male coworker, he pretty much said the same thing. He told me there's apparently an unwritten rule that bachelors are supposed to keep a supply of alcohol at home solely for the purpose of enticing a woman to come over (The logic being: She's way more likely to come over in the first place if she knows there will be alcohol. Then once she's in your place, the odds of getting sex skyrocket).

Here's why I'm making this new thread: While I have no qualms whatsoever about using a woman for sex, I draw the line at getting a woman liquored up so I can have sex with her (As getting a woman liquored up for sex is questionable both legally and morally. Plus, if I were to get Me Too'd, the woman could truthfully tell the courts I lured her over with alcohol).

So my question is: What are some strategies to increase my odds of getting sex without having to lure her with alcohol?

 

[SW15]

What are some strategies to increase my odds of getting sex without having to lure her with alcohol?

Your #1 lure for sex without alcohol is having a great body that she finds irresistible. You are going to want to have a lower body fat % with some muscle mass. Having an above average sized penis also helps with this. Being 6'0"+ will also help too.

there's apparently an unwritten rule that bachelors are supposed to keep a supply of alcohol at home solely for the purpose of enticing a woman to come over (The logic being: She's way more likely to come over in the first place if she knows there will be alcohol. Then once she's in your place, the odds of getting sex skyrocket).

I have almost always had plenty of alcohol at home for this reason. Since I moved to my current city in the early 2010s, I doubt there has been more than 7 days where I didn't have any alcohol in my home.

 

[GoodMan32]

Your #1 lure for sex without alcohol is having a great body that she finds irresistible. You are going to want to have a lower body fat % with some muscle mass. Having an above average sized penis also helps with this. Being 6'0"+ will also help too.



I have almost always had plenty of alcohol at home for this reason. Since I moved to my current city in the early 2010s, I doubt there has been more than 7 days where I didn't have any alcohol in my home.

While there's wiggle room as far as how much alcohol needs to be in her system before it becomes rape, that's a path I'd rather not go down (Especially since on my last 2 dates, the woman already had a drink during the date. If she then came over for another drink, there's a decent chance she really would have entered "unable to legally consent" territory).

I don't even remember the last time I had alcohol at home. It's been years. For me, I'm the type to sometimes get one drink when I go out to eat. Alcohol isn't really a home thing for me.

If she's only willing to have sex with a guy if he provides her alcohol at home, is she really even into the guy? I couldn't imagine myself enjoying sex with a woman who's only with me because I lured her over with alcohol.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Some of you might remember me. I've shared the stories on here of my most recent 2 dates (the most recent date was in 2023; the 2nd most recent date was in 2018).

Neither of the dates led to sex.

Some of the posters on here told me sex would have happened if I invited the woman over for drinks after the date. When I shared the stories with a male coworker, he pretty much said the same thing. He told me there's apparently an unwritten rule that bachelors are supposed to keep a supply of alcohol at home solely for the purpose of enticing a woman to come over (The logic being: She's way more likely to come over in the first place if she knows there will be alcohol. Then once she's in your place, the odds of getting sex skyrocket).

Here's why I'm making this new thread: While I have no qualms whatsoever about using a woman for sex, I draw the line at getting a woman liquored up so I can have sex with her (As getting a woman liquored up for sex is questionable both legally and morally. Plus, if I were to get Me Too'd, the woman could truthfully tell the courts I lured her over with alcohol).

So my question is: What are some strategies to increase my odds of getting sex without having to lure her with alcohol?

Alcohol is not that important. My current GF doesn’t drink. And she initiated sfx first. My previous GF drank rarely. We had sfx on the second date. No booze. My GF before that didn’t drink. We had sfx on our first date.
Girls get horny. Alcohol is probably a mild bonus to getting her panties off. But not neccessary by any means.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Alcohol is not that important. My current GF doesn’t drink. And she initiated sfx first. My previous GF drank rarely. We had sfx on the second date. No booze. My GF before that didn’t drink. We had sfx on our first date.
Girls get horny. Alcohol is probably a mild bonus to getting her panties off. But not neccessary by any means.

With that being said. Alcohol can make things more interesting. I was at a hotel convention. I wound up sitting next to a young lady. We drank a bit too much & wound up doing a bit of kissing & fondling. In public (caused a bit of a stir). We both had SOs and stopped our escapade before it got too far.

 

[GoodMan32]

Alcohol is not that important. My current GF doesn’t drink. And she initiated sfx first. My previous GF drank rarely. We had sfx on the second date. No booze. My GF before that didn’t drink. We had sfx on our first date.
Girls get horny. Alcohol is probably a mild bonus to getting her panties off. But not neccessary by any means.

That's what I like to hear. A woman who requires alcohol to give me sex isn't worth being with.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I draw the line at getting a woman liquored up so I can have sex with her (As getting a woman liquored up for sex is questionable both legally and morally. Plus, if I were to get Me Too'd, the woman could truthfully tell the courts I lured her over with alcohol).

Get over it. You're acting as if women don't know exactly what they're doing. She's an adult who's perfectly capable of making her own choices.

I simply invite women over to my place to watch a movie, enticing them by offering to cook dinner for them. I'll then go on to offer weed or alcohol too and some decline, but still come for the food.

That's what I like to hear. A woman who requires alcohol to give me sex isn't worth being with.

How do you figure? You do know the reason that most women drink (in this context) is so is they can eliminate accountability, right? Much of your strategies for quick lays are providing women with "excuses" in her own mind to be able to be a slut without judging herself for being a slut. Some of the excuses can be paper thin and stupidly transparent, they just need you to give them something to work with for plausable deniability in order to create a story that rationalizes her behavior.

They need to be able to tell themselves and their GFs a story like "oh we just had some drinks and one thing led to another..." If she was 17 and inexperienced thats one thing (but still not necesarily unethical), but if she's already gone through a hoe phase (almost guaranteed once they've been to college) she knows by this point that alcohol may lead to sex, and that's her decision to make.

Like I said, simply invite for her to come over, and don't even mention alcohol until they come over, and just bring it up casually. In my experience, many women even offer to pick up wine or something on the way.

 

[GoodMan32]

Get over it. She knows exactly what she's doing. She's an adult who's perfectly capable of making her own choices.

I simply invite women over to my place to watch a movie, offering to cook for them. I'll offer weed or alcohol too and some decline, but still come for the food.


How do you figure? You do know the reason that most women drink (in this context) is so is they can eliminate accountability, right? Much of your strategies for quick lays are giving women "excuses" in her own mind to be able to be a slut without judging herself for being a slut. Some of the excuses can be paper thin, they just need something for plausable deniability to create a story that rationalizes her behavior. So give them the excuses, you'd be surprised how transparent you can be with them.

they can tell themselves and their GFS "oh we just had some drinks and one thing led to another...". If she was 17 thats one thing, but if she does this 15 times with 15 different men, she obviously knows that alcohol leads to sex, and that's her decision to make.

I wasn't aware they drank in these instances to eliminate accountability. I always thought it was more about getting buzzed to bang a guy she otherwise would never bang.

I've had women cheat on their boyfriends with me because they were super horny when he was at work. I even had an ongoing affair with a married woman whose husband hadn't banged her in 2 and a half years. No alcohol was required to get an easy lay in these instances. There are ways to get her to make an excuse (to justify the sex) without getting her liquored up.

One more thing I feel compelled to say: Your comment where you said "She knows alcohol leads to sex, that's her decision to make" is a slippery slope. What if she gets raped when drunk (not "consensual" sex while under the influence, but flat out raped)? Is that her fault "because she knew the risks of drinking"?

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I wasn't aware they drank in these instances to eliminate accountability. I always thought it was more about getting buzzed to bang a guy she otherwise would never bang.

Well, that's not the only reason, but I'm sure it contributes. I'm sure women have banged a guy they later regretted, but she should know thats what alcohol does, it's not your job to concern yourself with that. In the case of women are absolutely shvtfaced blackout drunk - I do generally do think they're off-limits, though.

What if she gets raped when drunk (not "consensual" sex while under the influence, but flat out raped)? Is that her fault "because she knew the risks of drinking"?

Yes. Women need to be held accountable. Maybe don't get blackout drunk in places surrounded by dozens of strange, trashy, thirsty men? Maybe don't go to some random mans house and get liquored up? Maybe have contingency plans to have your friends keep an eye on you? I am tired of people acting like women are just victims and incapable of making their own decisions. It's HER choice to get drunk and her choice where she chooses to do so. I find it very strange how harsh we are on drunk drivers, but when it comes to most other things, especially sexual acts, we act as if their choice to get drunk was not their fault.

Besides, there's a case to be made that alcohol is behind much of sexual encounters throughout most of human civilization. It's an ingrained and expected part of procreation.

 

[GoodMan32]

Well, that's not the only reason, but I'm sure it contributes. I'm sure women have banged a guy they later regretted, but she should know thats what alcohol does, it's not your job to concern yourself with that. In the case of women are absolutely shvtfaced blackout drunk - I do generally do think they're off-limits, though.



Yes. Women need to be held accountable. Maybe don't get blackout drunk in places surrounded by dozens of strange, trashy, thirsty men? Maybe don't go to some random mans house and get liquored up? Maybe have contingency plans to have your friends keep an eye on you? I am tired of people acting like women are just victims and incapable of making their own decisions. It's HER choice to get drunk and her choice where she chooses to do so. I find it very strange how harsh we are on drunk drivers, but when it comes to most other things, especially sexual acts, we act as if their choice to get drunk was not their fault.

Besides, there's a case to be made that alcohol is behind much of sexual encounters throughout most of human civilization. It's an ingrained and expected part of procreation.

As for why society is a lot tougher on drunk drivers, I think it's because a drunk driver puts the safety of others on the line. A drunk woman who isn't driving (or a drunk man who isn't driving for that matter) is far more likely to become a victim than to victimize anyone.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

So my question is: What are some strategies to increase my odds of getting sex without having to lure her with alcohol?

I never needed to get my prey under the influence. If you need alcohol to pull a woman, you're most likely a boring perv.

 

[GoodMan32]

I never needed to get my prey under the influence. If you need alcohol to pull a woman, you're most likely a boring perv.

That's the spirit. I agree.

Those of you familiar with my posts are aware I've been with lots of escorts. That being said, I've bedded 9 women for free, none of which required alcohol.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Your #1 lure for sex without alcohol is having a great body that she finds irresistible. You are going to want to have a lower body fat % with some muscle mass. Having an above average sized penis also helps with this. Being 6'0"+ will also help too.

Which was kinda point here..

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But hey..you can lead a horse to water..

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

But hey..you can lead a horse to water..

Horses can find water without your help.
Imbeciles cannot drink even if you put the glass right in front of them.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Horses can find water without your help.
Imbeciles cannot drink even if you put the glass right in front of them.

Wowww, that was deep.

Thank you, Confucius, oh wise one.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Thank you, Confucius, oh wise one.

You're welcome, grasshopper.

 

[inquisitor]

Alcohol is not that important. My current GF doesn’t drink. And she initiated sfx first. My previous GF drank rarely. We had sfx on the second date. No booze. My GF before that didn’t drink. We had sfx on our first date.
Girls get horny. Alcohol is probably a mild bonus to getting her panties off. But not neccessary by any means.

True. (in no particular order) Look decent, smell decent, make her laugh, be confident, don't be insecure, act like it's no big deal if she doesn't want sex yet, invite her over, talk and bond some more... pretty soon, you're hearing her moan in your room.

 

[GoodMan32]

True. (in no particular order) Look decent, smell decent, make her laugh, be confident, don't be insecure, act like it's no big deal if she doesn't want sex yet, invite her over, talk and bond some more... pretty soon, you're hearing her moan in your room.

That's one thing that doesn't make sense: If we act indifferent toward sex, the woman ends up becoming more likely to give us sex

(I'm aware this is generally true; all I'm saying is it doesn't make logical sense)

 

[Mike32ct]

That's one thing that doesn't make sense: If we act indifferent toward sex, the woman ends up becoming more likely to give us sex

(I'm aware this is generally true; all I'm saying is it doesn't make logical sense)

Hmm. To me, it seemed more like the guy that was indifferent towards a relationship got the sex.

He clearly wanted to bang, but he showed no interest in wanting to be her boyfriend.

 

[inquisitor]

That's one thing that doesn't make sense: If we act indifferent toward sex, the woman ends up becoming more likely to give us sex

(I'm aware this is generally true; all I'm saying is it doesn't make logical sense)

You still used logic - it is not an if-then statement.

I believe it goes like this: not merely indifference, but a man's capacity to not care too much, or to not appear too desperate about a sexual encounter, yet can still exude a masculine aura (one of confidence and knowing what he wants), is an indicator for a woman to think that such a man has higher intelligence and self-control, setting himself apart from the rest of the guys that seem the opposite (desperate, or letting his drive control himself).

They already know we care about sex. The question is, can we handle getting sex on her terms? (i.e. only when she is most receptive, or when she allows us to? ...a question which makes the most sense biologically since she will carry the supposed result of both of your genes for 9 months, but also makes sense socially since as a man, part of our responsibility is not just our own pleasure but also the woman's. Sex is two-way. [usually.])