A few questions for those who have read The Rational Male

[Hermit Crab]

Hi All,

Pretty new to this sphere. Just finished reading the rational male and I was honestly surprised by how convincing almost every sentence Rollo wrote was. There were only really 2 small sections (both near the end of the book) where I didn't understand what he was trying to say or didn't necessarily agree with and these are the topics of my post. The main issue is that for one of them he kind of dismisses an example he himself brings up and for another I feel like he goes against the tone of the rest of his book in that there was no practical advice, just a sentence thrown out there.

The first and probably the question I want answered the most relates to the chapter about the Myth of Looks. He spends a chapter talking about how looks are in fact important and here he is mostly talking about getting in shape. But he ends this section with a sentence that goes along the lines of "If you think Penis size doesnt matter, think of the first insult women fling at you when they are angry". So the issue is, I think Im pretty small in this department, made a lot worse because I am for the most part, a pretty big dude. Doesnt matter if stats are overblown or whatever, I am in fact small. Now, given that this is the case and given that the rest of the chapter he is encouraging you to keep in shape (something you can control and actively do), this sentence sticks out because, well, there is no solution to this. It feels like he just chucked that sentence in on a whim to demonize women (even though the rest of the book is well thought out and convincing), given that he provides absolutely no solution to that mental barrier. So for people who may or may not be in the same boat as me, how do you mentally deal with this issue?

My second question is more out of curiousity rather than an answer I really want/need, but in the final chapter he talks about the wall that women hit in their 30s. He brings up an example of a reader who asked why 30 was the magic number given how different each womans SMV seems to be at 30. I feel like Rollo just dismisses this as the reader being "Not like the other girls" without actually explaining it. I kind of agree that different women have different levels of attraction at 30 so that explanation of the wall just seems kind of half hearted and I didn't really understand what he was trying to say. So what are your thoughts on this?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It does matter to some degree, but once they see that you are already naked with them.

 

[Hermit Crab]

It does matter to some degree, but once they see that you are already naked with them.

I get that but, in this particular case Rollo makes a case that it is important to be fit when "the shirts come off" and encourages you to get fit then says the same thing but fails to follow up on it. This has been on my mind. The last time I was on a date with a girl it was on my mind too and I cant help but feel that this is something I need to deal with or have it forever affect me whether I am successful at getting someone back to my place or not.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I get that but, in this particular case Rollo makes a case that it is important to be fit when "the shirts come off" and encourages you to get fit then says the same thing but fails to follow up on it. This has been on my mind. The last time I was on a date with a girl it was on my mind too and I cant help but feel that this is something I need to deal with or have it forever affect me whether I am successful at getting someone back to my place or not.

Ehh...it's not the end all be all of things. How important it is depends on the individual woman. Some may find that very important others may not consider it important at all.

The worst thing you can do is read these things and take it as rigid rules that are unbreakable.

Yes,you should be in good shape to maximize your potential, but for an individual woman that doesn't hold as much importance.

 

[Hermit Crab]

Ehh...it's not the end all be all of things. How important it is depends on the individual woman. Some may find that very important others may not consider it important at all.

The worst thing you can do is read these things and take it as rigid rules that are unbreakable.

Yes,you should be in good shape to maximize your potential, but for an individual woman that doesn't hold as much importance.

Ok thank you. That is a pretty good perspective. The reason I was so caught up in it was because literally everything else he said made sense without sounding like an extremist/pessimistic view except this point and the other one I mentioned in my original post.

One question I have now after hearing this is how much does this forum adhere to or take stock in Tomassi's words? Wasn't he considered a pioneer in this particular field?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Ok thank you. That is a pretty good perspective. The reason I was so caught up in it was because literally everything else he said made sense without sounding like an extremist/pessimistic view except this point and the other one I mentioned in my original post.

One question I have now after hearing this is how much does this forum adhere to or take stock in Tomassi's words? Wasn't he considered a pioneer in this particular field?

I don't believe in rigid or "iron" rules. Life isn't rigid, it's fluid. Rigidity leads to missed opportunities only because you eliminate outcomes that "could" go badly if you allow it. At the end of the day, they are things to save you from yourself.

But instead of looking to eliminate these things you should learn how to identify the specific things that are bad within them, avoid those and not throw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak.

Learning proper discipline, respect for yourself and screening is what you should aspire to put into place in any interactions in your life. Once you have those you don't need rigid rules to hold you back, you will be much more fluid.

I consider it like using training wheels on a bike. At first they help you a great deal learn how to ride a bike. But at some point they become a hindrance that holds you back from ever reaching your full potential.

Imagine people in the Tour De France trying to ride bikes with training wheels?

 

[Dr.Suave]

If there is nothing you can do about your d1ck´s size, stop thinking about it. Turn the lights off or something.

The wall starts at 30? The wall is kind of a divisive thing here. People will say there is no wall or that it is softer than we think. Imho the wall will start sometime after 23 but there will be exceptions.

At the end of the day, the wall is kind of irrelevant. Does she pass the boner test? And if she does, is she worthy of exclusivity or is she for recreational use only? Most modern women are recreational use only

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Re: penis
If you know how to turn a woman on, the spongy walls of her vagina will suffuse with blood and thicken so she can clamp down on a little finger and enjoy that friction. So, as long as your penis is bigger than a little finger and you know how to turn a woman on, the length of your penis doesn't matter (actually, the thickness of your penis is more important than the length). Part of this has to do with what you feel and what the woman feels being two separate things - what feels good to you doesn't necessarily feel good to her. If you know how to excite and arouse a woman well enough, most factors like having a big rooster are not important anymore.

re: the wall
Some older people remain attractive for a longer time than others. The 'wall' is a particular perspective on the expiration date of women based mostly on how long a woman can look like an innocent teenager, without taking the advantages of experience into account (most sexually inexperienced women suck at fellatio) or the attraction of having lived in the same decades. Attraction is too individual, that rules about when a woman's attractiveness is gone are ignorant and judgmental.

 

[Desdinova]

But he ends this section with a sentence that goes along the lines of "If you think Penis size doesnt matter, think of the first insult women fling at you when they are angry". So the issue is, I think Im pretty small in this department, made a lot worse because I am for the most part, a pretty big dude. Doesnt matter if stats are overblown or whatever, I am in fact small.

A woman won't care if you have a small d1ck as long as you show you don't care that you have a small d1ck. Women will feed off how you view and portray yourself. That is the #1 rule of having women overcome your shortfalls.

in the final chapter he talks about the wall that women hit in their 30s. He brings up an example of a reader who asked why 30 was the magic number given how different each womans SMV seems to be at 30.

I feel like a woman's expiry date is age 27, not 30. This is the age when their biological clock starts ticking louder. They can see that they're approaching age 30. If they don't have children yet, they will be increasingly desperate to poop out a kid over the next decade. This is why you need to date women much younger than age 27.

Rollo is correct a lot of the time, but there's points he makes that clash against what I've seen and learned. These are two good examples. Remember, he wasn't a manwh0re before he got married. Most guys here have probably fvcked more women than he has.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Women want everything. Height, hair. handsome. fit & big dvck. But. How many men have all of these? In my case I lack height. We’re all probably missing at least one item. It is what it is. Really, the best thing is to max out on what you can. Should be good enough.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Hi All,

Pretty new to this sphere. Just finished reading the rational male and I was honestly surprised by how convincing almost every sentence Rollo wrote was. There were only really 2 small sections (both near the end of the book) where I didn't understand what he was trying to say or didn't necessarily agree with and these are the topics of my post. The main issue is that for one of them he kind of dismisses an example he himself brings up and for another I feel like he goes against the tone of the rest of his book in that there was no practical advice, just a sentence thrown out there.

The first and probably the question I want answered the most relates to the chapter about the Myth of Looks. He spends a chapter talking about how looks are in fact important and here he is mostly talking about getting in shape. But he ends this section with a sentence that goes along the lines of "If you think Penis size doesnt matter, think of the first insult women fling at you when they are angry". So the issue is, I think Im pretty small in this department, made a lot worse because I am for the most part, a pretty big dude. Doesnt matter if stats are overblown or whatever, I am in fact small. Now, given that this is the case and given that the rest of the chapter he is encouraging you to keep in shape (something you can control and actively do), this sentence sticks out because, well, there is no solution to this. It feels like he just chucked that sentence in on a whim to demonize women (even though the rest of the book is well thought out and convincing), given that he provides absolutely no solution to that mental barrier. So for people who may or may not be in the same boat as me, how do you mentally deal with this issue?

My second question is more out of curiousity rather than an answer I really want/need, but in the final chapter he talks about the wall that women hit in their 30s. He brings up an example of a reader who asked why 30 was the magic number given how different each womans SMV seems to be at 30. I feel like Rollo just dismisses this as the reader being "Not like the other girls" without actually explaining it. I kind of agree that different women have different levels of attraction at 30 so that explanation of the wall just seems kind of half hearted and I didn't really understand what he was trying to say. So what are your thoughts on this?

I’m not sure if you noticed that Rollo communicates, especially in his Tweets, in a way to intentionally agitate, confuse, and anger his consumers, and induce resentment, envy, and doubt in them.

And no matter how enthusiastic he is in revealing women’s anti-social tendencies, he writes with deification of them and as if women should have 100% ownership of the sexual market, just as many RP’ers do.

 

[SW15]

Pretty new to this sphere .

Just finished reading the rational male and I was honestly surprised by how convincing almost every sentence Rollo wrote was.

Good for you for reading "The Rational Male". It's held up well over time, since its 2013 publication. Some of the chapters that were included in the book were written well before 2013.

The first and probably the question I want answered the most relates to the chapter about the Myth of Looks. He spends a chapter talking about how looks are in fact important and here he is mostly talking about getting in shape. But he ends this section with a sentence that goes along the lines of "If you think Penis size doesnt matter, think of the first insult women fling at you when they are angry". So the issue is, I think Im pretty small in this department, made a lot worse because I am for the most part, a pretty big dude. Doesnt matter if stats are overblown or whatever, I am in fact small. Now, given that this is the case and given that the rest of the chapter he is encouraging you to keep in shape (something you can control and actively do), this sentence sticks out because, well, there is no solution to this. It feels like he just chucked that sentence in on a whim to demonize women (even though the rest of the book is well thought out and convincing), given that he provides absolutely no solution to that mental barrier. So for people who may or may not be in the same boat as me, how do you mentally deal with this issue?

Penis size matters. It's an asset to have an above average sized penis. Women will enjoy this for the most part.

Most men will have a penis size in the average range. That's usually good enough provided that other things are on point. Men that have average range sized penises should priority physical fitness. That will help with blood flow into the penis and overall firmness of erections. That might help for it to feel bigger than it actually is to women.

If a man were to have a below average penis size, he should still try to optimize his physical fitness for the same reasons as the average penis sized guy. Some women will be disappointed in a smaller than average sized penis on a good looking, fit guy.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

A woman won't care if you have a small d1ck as long as you show you don't care that you have a small d1ck. Women will feed off how you view and portray yourself. That is the #1 rule of having women overcome your shortfalls.



I feel like a woman's expiry date is age 27, not 30. This is the age when their biological clock starts ticking louder. They can see that they're approaching age 30. If they don't have children yet, they will be increasingly desperate to poop out a kid over the next decade. This is why you need to date women much younger than age 27.

Rollo is correct a lot of the time, but there's points he makes that clash against what I've seen and learned. These are two good examples. Remember, he wasn't a manwh0re before he got married. Most guys here have probably fvcked more women than he has.

Like most things, people tend to believe what you believe about yourself at first when they are getting to know you.

 

[BoostedArrow]

My second question is more out of curiousity rather than an answer I really want/need, but in the final chapter he talks about the wall that women hit in their 30s. He brings up an example of a reader who asked why 30 was the magic number given how different each womans SMV seems to be at 30. I feel like Rollo just dismisses this as the reader being "Not like the other girls" without actually explaining it. I kind of agree that different women have different levels of attraction at 30 so that explanation of the wall just seems kind of half hearted and I didn't really understand what he was trying to say. So what are your thoughts on this?

When you watch his shows he explains it like that: The wall is not about their actual attractivity but about their own perception of it. It doesn't start with their body but in their head. Meaning that when a women turns 28 or 30 or whatever she realizes that she cannot compete with girls that are 23, that sets off stress in her mind. It doesn't matter if she's incredible hot. It's about what she believes about herself.

About the penis thing: Stirling cooper has some material on getting a bigger one. Apparantly you can add like 1 inch or so. the rest is about giving her pleasure in other ways. Also use the mental part of sex to your advantage. **** and 50 shades are popular among women for a reason.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

One thing about having a big dvck. It’s like being good looking. You get lazy. And somewhat passive. I’m used to girls being aggressive. Ultimately. It’s a sub-optimal path.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Good for you for reading "The Rational Male". It's held up well over time, since its 2013 publication. Some of the chapters that were included in the book were written well before 2013.



Penis size matters. It's an asset to have an above average sized penis. Women will enjoy this for the most part.

Most men will have a penis size in the average range. That's usually good enough provided that other things are on point. Men that have average range sized penises should priority physical fitness. That will help with blood flow into the penis and overall firmness of erections. That might help for it to feel bigger than it actually is to women.

If a man were to have a below average penis size, he should still try to optimize his physical fitness for the same reasons as the average penis sized guy. Some women will be disappointed in a smaller than average sized penis on a good looking, fit guy.

Stamina matters. As does muscle power in your glutes and abdomen. My experience is women love being mercilessly pounded.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Sad case of an incel friend of mine. Once, when drunk, he confessed to being a dvcklet. . I suspect his feelings of inadaquecy down there led to his inceldom. Otherwise, I believe he could have gotten his looksmatch.

 

[SW15]

Stamina matters. As does muscle power in your glutes and abdomen. My experience is women love being mercilessly pounded.

I agree with all of this.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

One thing about having a big dvck. It’s like being good looking. You get lazy. And somewhat passive. I’m used to girls being aggressive. Ultimately. It’s a sub-optimal path.

I didn't even need a big trouser snake to become like that.

 

[Mertz09]

The Rational Male is a good book. I wish that I would have read it about 5 years ago.

As for the wall...Who knows. I'm way past 30 myself. Oh well.

Penis size.... I would say I am a little above average, but then I don't go around comparing myself with other Dudes "johnson". LOL I have never had any complaints.
From my experience there are a lot of factors when it comes to pleasing a woman sexually. Being physically fit and stamina are important. Also as mentioned above, knowing how to turn a woman on is just as important and may be the most important thing. Knowing how to go down on a woman is very important and I have found that many women enjoy that as much or more than regular intercourse. Being able to bring a woman to orgasm with your tongue can really please a woman. And try to make sure you can control yourself and let her orgasm first Before you do can make you an Allstar in her eyes.