Why some men are forever doomed in dating and life

[Millard Fillmore]

Friday and Saturday nights bring out the biggest crowds at any nightlife venue. John Q. Paycheck beta males are well known for going out on those nights and stinking up venues with bad game. These approaches annoy women. This has been less of an issue in the last 10 years or so as a lot of those beta males have become swipe app monkeys. Even now, there are still enough betas/AFCs who go out to nightlife venues on the prime nights.

Weeknight crowds at nightlife venues are usually smaller. In metro areas with a bigger population (think 500,000+), there are always venues that seems to bring in big crowds on any specific weeknight. For instance, one venue might run a special on a Wednesday night and become a place that does big crowds on Wednesday nights.

A woman who is in a bar at 10 PM on a Tuesday night is more serious about meeting men than one in a bar at 10 PM

Well said. That was what I was getting at. Plus most Fridays I was dog tired and wanted to just go home and chill.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It's a valid critique to say that men have failed to adapt well to the Post Sexual Revolution era dating scene. The Sexual Revolution is considered to have occurred in the 1960s-1970s in Western nations. Right now, in 2024, game has changed even from some post Sexual Revolution times. A man in the mating environment of the 2010s-2020s has had to adapt as compared to post-Sexual Revolution game of the 1980s/early 1990s.

I fully entered the mating environment in 1999 when I first asked a woman out on a date as a 16 year old. I've noticed changes in the mating environment since my early days in it from 1999-2005. In 1999-2005, I was mainly gaming on school campuses (high school and college). In 2004, I turned 21 and went to bars for the first time. In 2004-2005, I was mainly going to college bars but did go to some bars that didn't necessarily cater to the college crowd.

If a guy had been in the same relationship since 2005-2010 and found himself newly single again in 2023-2024, he would notice differences in early stage seduction as compared to 2005-2010, a period well after the end of the Sexual Revolution.

While many elements of seduction change over time, there are some consistent fundamentals.



Provide & Protect is a consistent fundamental.

Being tall, muscular, and rich is a good combination.

There are some men with good combinations that are struggling in the mating environment. There's even been chatter about the rise of gymcels. These are more physically fit than average incels or borderline incels. I have mixed feelings about the gymcel phenomenon. I have thought that the height + muscles combo was one that was good enough. Is it though? There are men who are 6'0"+ who are fit with big muscles who aren't having the levels of success that one might think. Being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular is 'Chad' territory.

No it’s not ‘Chad’ territory. Still need a good face.

But as to good body. I think some underestimate it. Just this week I was talking to a new employee. Zoomer girl, cute. The conversation turned to fitness. I like to see how comfortable a girl is with me by gaging her reaction to me squeezing her biceps (assuming she say’s she works out).
I told her I used to be a gymrat and worked out all the time (I’m in good shape now, but not jacked). She got all excited and asked to see pictures of me when buff. Sadly, I have none.

 

[NealIRC]

if you look around you, 90% of men are unattractive because:

-poor hygiene
-no sense of style
-not in shape
-too much p0rn, video games
-no social skills (too much time spent on social medias, playing video games, etc)
-simps (consequence of social medias and OLD)
-wrong role models (Tate is a good example)
-generic tastes, poor general culture
-attitude of women toward men has changed (social medias, OLD)

if they would fix the above issues (they have no control on the last one though) they would become more attractive and increase their chances of finding someone.

90% of the, incel population? Or overall population? Cuz if overall population, 90% is quite high.

 

[mikedee]

90% of the, incel population? Or overall population? Cuz if overall population, 90% is quite high.

90% of men have at least 2-3 of those issues.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

90% of the, incel population? Or overall population? Cuz if overall population, 90% is quite high.

if you look around you, 90% of men are unattractive because:

-poor hygiene
-no sense of style
-not in shape
-too much p0rn, video games
-no social skills (too much time spent on social medias, playing video games, etc)
-simps (consequence of social medias and OLD)
-wrong role models (Tate is a good example)
-generic tastes, poor general culture
-attitude of women toward men has changed (social medias, OLD)

if they would fix the above issues (they have no control on the last one though) they would become more attractive and increase their chances of finding someone.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Provide what exaclty? Money? Women make their own money today, even more than men, you want a girl to like you for your money?

Protect from what exactly? There is no bear outside the cave waiting, men have made the world safe for everyone. Protect from an attacker? There are guns, anyone can get them, even women, police is a call away too. This has merit if a guy can defend himself in certain situation, but this is outdated.

While agree, that looks, money & games are the way to go, there is much more, can you handle $hit tests? Can you handle rejection? Do you have boundaries in place and are ready to enforced them if needed? Do you have frame? Are you willing to walk away if need it (biggest thing)? Other women find you attractive? Do you have social skills? Do you know how to hold a conversation? Do you know to spike a woman's interest? Are you willing to put your balls on the chopping block and risk rejection?

very feminine women (like my GF) are very much into ‘being protected’. Her being 5’0 110 Lbs. probably has some effect as well.
But even ‘less feminine’ more robust women appreciate and ultimately rely on their man for protection.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Provide what exaclty? Money? Women make their own money today, even more than men, you want a girl to like you for your money?

Protect from what exactly? There is no bear outside the cave waiting, men have made the world safe for everyone. Protect from an attacker? There are guns, anyone can get them, even women, police is a call away too. This has merit if a guy can defend himself in certain situation, but this is outdated.

While agree, that looks, money & games are the way to go, there is much more, can you handle $hit tests? Can you handle rejection? Do you have boundaries in place and are ready to enforced them if needed? Do you have frame? Are you willing to walk away if need it (biggest thing)? Other women find you attractive? Do you have social skills? Do you know how to hold a conversation? Do you know to spike a woman's interest? Are you willing to put your balls on the chopping block and risk rejection?

Provide traditional masculine values to her, in which you have already pointed out some. Women still desire men who make around the same or more money than them. Protection does not necessarily have to be put into practice, but it is important to instill the notion in her mind. Your partner needs to feel secure, knowing that you could protect her in any dangerous scenario or effectively take charge and handle emergencies. Overall, possessing traditional masculine traits will lead you to a woman who will reward you with her femininity. Men who struggle with women lack these characteristics and often try to compensate through trickery or pursuing fast sex and short-term flings.
Gymcels, yes they have muscles, but they lack social skills and mental masculine traits and are essentially a bvtch in a musclular body.

 

[SW15]

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Women's standards are too high. That's mathematically impossible.

 

[DreamAgain]

That's the only thing that matters regarding traditional values.


This is BS, women leave men who make less than them, cause those men feel less masculine, they feel insecure, the b!tch and complain to his women and that's why they left them, money has nothing to do with masculinity, it has to do with provisioning when women stayed in the house and men worked outside.

Watch what your traditional provisioning focus can get you, get that $tupid covert contract out of your head.

Yeah could be the case. Are you sayying every muscular guy in the gym is an incel? I hope not.

If I could give you reps somehow on this site I would, nailed everything.

 

[CornbreadFed]

This is BS, women leave men who make less than them, cause those men feel less masculine, they feel insecure, the b!tch and complain to his women and that's why they left them, money has nothing to do with masculinity, it has to do with provisioning when women stayed in the house and men worked outside.

What types of guys are typically earning less than their partners? Ray Ray & Pookies & Losers? I do not consider them masculine at all, but if you want to argue your case for them then go ahead. Guys with women that are in more lucrative careers? Yes, they can act like it is no big deal, but they are always going to be insecure about it deep down. If you are saying that this is completely avoidable then you are lying to yourself, and you are lying to others. Now there's ways around this, but most of the time guys struggling with women are not stable breadwinners and just complaining about females outearning them as a cope. There are too many men out there with no stability or behind in their career track complaining about women logic, feminism, and etc. No, it is because they are fvcking losers and women do not want losers.

Yeah could be the case. Are you sayying every muscular guy in the gym is an incel? I hope not.

I specifically said gymcel.

 

[SW15]

Gymcels, yes they have muscles, but they lack social skills and mental masculine traits and are essentially a bvtch in a musclular body.

I am astounded at men who are gymcels. It's possible to be a gymcel if below average height and big muscles. Average or above height + muscles and gymcel is surprising.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I am astounded at men who are gymcels. It's possible to be a gymcel if below average height and big muscles. Average or above height + muscles and gymcel is surprising.

Because gymcels lack social IQ and are lazy outside the gym. Your typical gymcel spams OLD with little effort or just goes for chicks at bars and clubs. The good women he manages to prospect lose interest after they find out he is socially inept and he only retains women that are under him in SMV or strictly street property.

 

[SW15]

Because gymcels lack social IQ and are lazy outside the gym. Your typical gymcel spams OLD with little effort or just goes for chicks at bars and clubs. The good women he manages to prospect lose interest after they find out he is socially inept and he only retains women that are under him in SMV or strictly street property.

Poor social skills can ruin a 6'0"+ guy who is fit with bigger muscles.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Because gymcels lack social IQ and are lazy outside the gym. Your typical gymcel spams OLD with little effort or just goes for chicks at bars and clubs. The good women he manages to prospect lose interest after they find out he is socially inept and he only retains women that are under him in SMV or strictly street property.

Most gymcels are facially ugly. I’ve seen such ogres at my gym.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I once heard a content creator say, “Men love women. Women love women. Men hate men. Women hate men.”

This thread reminds me of that. It’s sad.

 

[MatureDJ]

Last week my hapacel friend basically threw in the towel. I have no doubt that he could get a looksmatched Asian woman if he did some self-improvement. But he’d rather laze about and play games.

HapaCels are rejected by Asian chicks because they can only spin JBW Game at half-speed.

 

[MatureDJ]

It's good that you followed that rule while in college.

We have the same general idea. For me, I won't offer a woman under 30 a Friday or Saturday night first date. I do think the age range where that rule becomes more flexible is 27-32.

In my early 30s, most of my friends were in LTRs and I started to notice that I had more Friday and Saturday nights available.

It's OVER for WeekendEveningAvialableCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

I hate the Titans lol

What do you think about the Oilers?

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

i'm sure that for many men with autism, on the spectrum, they feel that their case or situation is hopeless, i will admit i do have autism, i did manage to have some dating breakthoughs, milestones, however they sadly happend until later than normal and at a time when i wish they didn't happen, to sum it up, i'm not proud of it though, oh well, can't do anything about that now.