Have a Reptilian mindset in the beginning of learning game?

[AmsterdamAssassin]

 

[SW15]

I forgot about Kezia Noble. I hadn't seen anything from her in years.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

One million swipes with no real tangible result on ONS.

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That's just insane.
I'm glad I never used ONS, its a complete time consuming dragon that will waste a lot of your time.
(Not saying you can't have success, but you need to invest a lot of time into it of course and time is a precious limited resource)

 

[SW15]

One million swipes with no real tangible result on ONS.
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That's just insane.

I believe that someone could do 100,000+ swipes and get nothing. There are a lot of swipe app experiments that have shown similar outcomes.

Swipe apps are mainly for Top 10% men to add women to rotation and generally not commit to them. For nearly everyone else, they are a waste of time.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

I believe that someone could do 100,000+ swipes and get nothing. There are a lot of swipe app experiments that have shown similar outcomes.

Swipe apps are mainly for Top 10% men to add women to rotation and generally not commit to them. For nearly everyone else, they are a waste of time.

Crazy and I agree.
ONS are for chumps and AFC's the same as rooting through the garbage bin, and you won't find treasures in it.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Kezia is more in favour of personal approaches.

 

[Bokanovsky]

What exactly is a "reptilian mindset"? And how is it different from, say, avian or mammalian mindsets?

 

[SW15]

Kezia is more in favour of personal approaches.

She is an early Millennial as I believe she was born in 1982. She came up at a similar time as I did as she's a year older. Early Millennials caught the tail end of the era when in-person approaching mattered more.

 

[pipeman84]

She is an early Millennial as I believe she was born in 1982.

And a divorced single mom. That sure qualifies her as a Dating and Attraction Expert (her IG description).

 

[SW15]

She is an early Millennial as I believe she was born in 1982.

And a divorced single mom. That sure qualifies her as a Dating and Attraction Expert (her IG description).

It has been reported that her birthday is either in 1980 (late Gen X) or 1982 (early Millennial). The first article in September 2016 said she was 34 then (consistent with a 1982 birth) and the second article from February 2022 claimed she was 41 then (consistent with a 1980 birth).

Ex model charges men £4,000 a WEEK to teach them how to chat up women

Dating coach Kezia Noble, 34, from London, says that men their 20s are desperate for advice about how to interact with women after looking for love online has left their confidence in tatters.

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I left school at 15 & made £1m teaching men how to date - I charge £300-an-hour

IN the summer of 2006, Kezia Noble was having a drink in a London bar when she was approached by a man she didn’t know. As she was working as a part-time model, this wasn’t exactly an uncommon occu…

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She has been in the pickup artistry space since 2006, when she was in her mid-20s. At that point, she was childless.

The February 2022 article said she was divorced and had a six year old. In September 2016, she was newly single according to that article.

She might not have ever been well suited to longer term relationships.

Longer term relationships are difficult for people. I've long believed in a common shelf life of goodness of about 5 years in LTRs. To me, that 5 year number occurs under more ideal circumstances with a man with a decent frame. With a weaker frame, that number can be shorter. It doesn't matter how long the relationship lasts, the best years will be in the first 5 years. If you're meeting someone in a 10-15 year long relationship, chances are that the relationship peaked somewhere in the first 5 years and has slowly been eroding since then. All longer term relationships do erode in quality over time but sometimes what remains after the quality erosion is good enough to warrant continuing on and it has a reasonable degree of quality.

For Kezia Noble, her LTR with her ex-husband did not warrant continuing on after some point. It looks like she divorced when her child was an infant based upon the 2 linked articles above.

In general, the pickup artist community is better suited towards the initial stages of the relationship. Books like Bang (Roosh) and Mystery Method (Mystery) only focused on how to initially attract and seduce. Retaining women after initially attracting and seducing is a slightly different topic. You need game initially to attract and seduce and you'll still apply some elements of game when looking for retain someone for a longer term period.

The Rational Male was never considered a pickup manual but it is more of a mindset manual with practices that are relevant both when initially attracting and in longer term attractions. I would argue that Iron Rule of Tomassi #1 with frame becomes even more important as time goes on in an interaction.

 

[pipeman84]

I left school at 15 & made £1m teaching men how to date - I charge £300-an-hour

IN the summer of 2006, Kezia Noble was having a drink in a London bar when she was approached by a man she didn’t know. As she was working as a part-time model, this wasn’t exactly an uncommon occu…

www.the-sun.com

After leaving school at 15 without any qualifications, Kezia did the odd bit of modelling and had a series of wealthy boyfriends who paid for her living costs.

So basically she admits to having prostituted herself.

I thought the selling point of female 'dating experts' such as Kenzia, Courtney Ryan etc was the following: they are young, single, attractive girls and the guys watching their videos/getting their courses would learn straight from the source what it takes to get a beautiful girlfriend. But then when you see that in reality they're not single and the guys they are with used none of the attraction 'tactics' and 'secrets' they sell, but the good old wad of cash, how can a man in his right mind still take them seriously?

 

[SW15]

I thought the selling point of female 'dating experts' such as Kenzia, Courtney Ryan etc was the following: they are young, single, attractive girls and the guys watching their videos/getting their courses would learn straight from the source what it takes to get a beautiful girlfriend. But then when you see that in reality they're not single and the guys they are with used none of the attraction 'tactics' and 'secrets' they sell, but the good old wad of cash, how can a man in his right mind still take them seriously?

For those reading this thread unfamiliar with Courtney Ryan, there's a Courtney Ryan thread available here....

Is Courtney Ryan a Fish Trying to Teach Men How to Catch Fish?

https://www.youtube.com/c/CourtneyRyan I can't figure out who is the target market for a woman being a men's issue specialist/leader.

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You have a good point about Kezia, Courtney Ryan, etc. in terms of what is sold to the general public as to why they are valuable and why their content is worth a man's time and attention.

It is known that Kezia survived to some extent on sugar daddy type game for a time. It seems like she did conventionally date to prior to 2006 when she started in the pickup community.

Courtney Ryan is a cute gal. There's probably some consensus on her looks being slightly above average. I believe she was good enough to attract attention from the top tier guys in terms of looks. She was likely riding the penis carousel with the top tier (short term sex and LTRs that failed within one year). She gets with a dorky looking beta with some money (Teddy Baldassarre) and chooses him as her best option in hypergamy likely because she is tired of failing to get commitments from the top tier on looks. Courtney made this concession in her mid-20s while she still had some of her youth. There are women in their 30s/early 40s struggling to make significant concessions to try to get a longer term commitment typically in the form of a marriage.

It is better for a man to learn from someone who used the strategies and tactics himself. Mystery and Roosh used their own strategies tactics to get laid themselves. Neil Strauss was one of Mystery's most successful students. Rollo Tomassi created some ideas for inner and outer game after he entered his longer term relationship. Rich Cooper was clearly influenced by Rollo (Rollo wrote the introduction to Cooper's Unplugged Alpha book) and Cooper has some of his own ideas.

Women with a men's issue focus tend to attract more men to their content than the actual male thought leaders. Pearl Davis (JustPearlyThings) has far more YouTube subscribers than Rollo Tomassi or Rich Cooper.