naturally good with women vs learning it

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brazils are the best in football and they produce the best talents. football is in bloods of brazillians but it's amazing how ronaldo and messi are not from brazil yet even the best brazillian talent neymar believes that messi-ronaldo are the greatest footballers of all time. it should tell you that hard work can surpass natural born talents

i just gave a good example to show that anyone can surpass natural playboys if they try to learn it with focus and hard work
 

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brazils are the best in football and they produce the best talents. football is in bloods of brazillians but it's amazing how ronaldo and messi are not from brazil yet even the best brazillian talent neymar believes that messi-ronaldo are the greatest footballers of all time. it should tell you that hard work can surpass natural born talents

i just gave a good example to show that anyone can surpass natural playboys if they try to learn it with focus and hard work
No they can't.

It would be like telling someone to practice playing soccer all day every day and then they could be better than Messi.

They can get much better than they are, but there are things that cannot be taught and that you cannot learn that you either have or you don't have talent wise. Where you are born has little to do with it. Everyone has certain abilities and talents they are born with.

Also, your looks play a large part in that and there isn't a whole lot you can do about that if you look like a toad.
 

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No they can't.

It would be like telling someone to practice playing soccer all day every day and then they could be better than Messi.

They can get much better than they are, but there are things that cannot be taught and that you cannot learn that you either have or you don't have talent wise. Where you are born has little to do with it. Everyone has certain abilities and talents they are born with.

Also, your looks play a large part in that and there isn't a whole lot you can do about that if you look like a toad.
there are people with more potential than messi and ronaldo for sure but they have worked their ass off in order to get where they are. they were born in poor families and didn't even have food to eat.
 

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there are people with more potential than messi and ronaldo for sure but they have worked their ass off in order to get where they are. they were born in poor families and didn't even have food to eat.
Messi is the best player to ever play and it's not particularly close(no offense to Pele or Maradonna).

You can say that others might have had more potential but playing on a school yard or low levels of youth programs are far different than playing on pro teams.

Unless they start playing against all other pro players any "potential" they have is meaningless as you are trying to compare them playing against players well beneath pro level.

There is a reason why lots of players who look amazing in college and minor leagues in sports never do anything in the major leagues. It takes more than just natural talent... everyone has that in the major leagues. You have to actually work hard to continually improve and study the game and know how to play fundamentally well.
 

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The "naturally good" are typically those that are oblivious or indifferent towards women in social interactions. They do not show nervousness or desperation. They do not plan or calculate, they simply speak to women.

An average dude that is calm collected and easy to socialize with is going to have an easier time with women than a better looking guy who fidgets, talks fast, tries to look impressive etc. Become comfortable with yourself, if you want women to be comfortable around you.
 

Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.

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brazils are the best in football and they produce the best talents. football is in bloods of brazillians but it's amazing how ronaldo and messi are not from brazil yet even the best brazillian talent neymar believes that messi-ronaldo are the greatest footballers of all time. it should tell you that hard work can surpass natural born talents

i just gave a good example to show that anyone can surpass natural playboys if they try to learn it with focus and hard work
No one is actually born with a skill. You take a Brazilian who has never played a game of football in his life, wait until he's 20, put him on the field and he wouldn't know what to do with the ball except maybe try to fvck it.

The difference between someone who is a natural and someone who is not is that the former gots exposed to something (whether it's playing sports or flirting with chicks) at an early age and the latter did not. Brazlians are good at football for the same reason that black Americans are good at basketbal and Canadians are good at hockey. They spend a lot of time in their childhood playing those sports.
 

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Aside from looks, I think personality has a lot to do with attracting women, and I'm not sure how much you can change personality. Like myself, I'm a strong introvert, and I was able to overcome my shyness, but I am still an introvert. Just the types of activities you are attracted to can affect how women view you. Like if they hang around you and are brought into a fun world you are a part of that they can buy into.
 

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No one is actually born with a skill.
My parents had two Siamese cats and two children when I was born. The cats ignored my older brothers, slept in my crib and acted like bodyguards whenever my father wanted to take me out of the crib. They were fiercely protective of me, following me around the house and garden during my childhood, always sleeping on my bed at night or when I was in school.
I've always been good with animals, had a plethora of pets (cats, dog, spider, chameleon), worked as a teen in a pet shop (where the parrots, corvids, macaws always wanted to ride my shoulder as I cleaned out cages), and worked as a young adult milking venomous snakes.

While it's not a 'skill', I would call it a 'talent'. Some of us are born with certain 'gifts'.
 

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Snake venom milker is not a career path most people have ever considered.
A friend introduced me because I'm good with animals and I had quick reflexes.
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

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Hi Pro Gamer,
Yes, dedicated hard work and appropriate skill guidance will improve any talent...Starting young is always beneficial,being a Kid Brother to several older Sisters is a good start...But the really brilliant manipulaters are Heaven born prodigies....
Selfishness,a lack of empathy and a certain ruthlessness don't go astray either.
 

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Brazilians are naturally friendly people, the culture and the language together make them like that. No one starts out by being good at talking, it's something that you practice until you get good. Get a sales job, your success on the job will tell you when you're good.
 
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