Niches: what are the advantages & disadvantages?

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I've heard mentioned several times that I 'operate within a niche' and the tone was negative, as if 'operating within a niche' had more disadvantages than advantages.

For me the advantages are the lack of competition (even within the niche) and the vibe that makes it easier for women to approach me.

Do you 'operate in a niche' and if so, do you feel the pros outweigh the cons?

 

[Cowboy-Cheems]

I have thought about this myself and experimented with it to an extent. In high school and college, I noticed every girl fell into some sort of category.

Athletic: Mostly good looking, even the ugliest ones are still attractive since they stay in shape. These girls typically go after male athletes, since there is a shared passion. Chads and skilled Don Juans have a shot too, if they play their cards right.

Nerd: These are reasonably, sometimes hot attractive girls that dress a little strange. They typically go after the more effeminate guys, though a skilled Don Juan or basic chad can still get them. Dressing uniquely can help tremendously in this category.

Passenger Princess: Attractive girls that know it, and exploit guys accordingly. They can be fun on the condition that you do not fall for their trickery and become their slave. To get these kinds require you to be reasonably attractive and have a decent car or job.

Emo/Alt-girl: Basically a hybrid of the Nerd and the Passenger Princess. These girls are often attractive but insufferable to listen to, getting them is as easy/difficult as the previous 2 categories.

Instead of chasing only one category listed here, become versatile enough to where you can say the right things to all of them. If going on a date with a nerd, let her tell you all about her favorite anime or super-hero and then make your follow date involve watching it together. The Athlete, Passenger Princess and Emo are pretty much the same manual of arms for escalation. Make them talk about themselves and their passions and listen close. The more of their ego they unleash upon you in private, the more sexy you are, even if you have not said more than a few sentences. The girls I have said the least to, almost always want me the most.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I am black, I am a niche regardless lol.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I am black, I am a niche regardless lol.

Only if you're the only black man.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Only if you're the only black man.

It's still the same in Latvia vs Atlanta Georgia.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Make them talk about themselves and their passions and listen close. The more of their ego they unleash upon you in private, the more sexy you are, even if you have not said more than a few sentences. The girls I have said the least to, almost always want me the most.

Women love to talk, but many do not find an ear with men. If you show yourself to be an aloof but active listener, i.e. listen well, but don't tell her too much about yourself, women tend to be more attracted to you then when you have a whole Spiel to unleash on them.

 

[obelisk]

So true. If only I could shut my mouth more of the time. Women actually want to talk about themselves. They really don't care about me all that much.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

So true. If only I could shut my mouth more of the time. Women actually want to talk about themselves. They really don't care about me all that much.

Actually, that goes for most people. If you figure out what makes someone talk about themselves, you can sit back and nod while they love the 'conversation'.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Are there good and bad niches?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Are there good and bad niches?

I think so, but I'd call them desirable and undesirable. A desirable niche makes you more attractive; whereas an undesirable one can make you less attractive. Another thing is that a niche is not universally attractive; what's attractive in Tokyo might not be attractive in Buenos Aires. So a niche isn't good or bad, but either it enhances your attraction or reduces it.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It means you will likely become much better and hone your skills within that niche to the detriment of outside that niche.

 

[Westminster]

A niche is probably a good move if you're not highly physically attractive or you don't have other 'mainstream'⁰ selling points.

Developing a niche is probably a good idea as you get older as well because you're not going to be able to compete head to head with guys 20 years younger than you indefinitely.

So, you've got to work with what you've got.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I think so, but I'd call them desirable and undesirable. A desirable niche makes you more attractive; whereas an undesirable one can make you less attractive. Another thing is that a niche is not universally attractive; what's attractive in Tokyo might not be attractive in Buenos Aires. So a niche isn't good or bad, but either it enhances your attraction or reduces it.

My friend had a common niche with this one girl because they were both engineers and thought he had her in the bag. He lost to a bro in sales lol.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

It means you will likely become much better and hone your skills within that niche to the detriment of outside that niche.

Potentially yes, but it depends on the size of the niche. My niche is artist and that is a pretty wide niche, so I don't have to venture outside of that. Still, I meet a lot of non-artistic women who are into me, so I'm not so sure about the 'detriment'.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

A niche is probably a good move if you're not highly physically attractive or you don't have other 'mainstream'⁰ selling points.

You are right in a sense. I've been a writer for a long time, but I started publishing my work in 2012. Until 2011 I worked as a security consultant and was well-respected, but not turning female heads. When I retired at forty-four to take care of my kids, I got a lot of attention from MILFs with similarly young children, but it was after my divorce when I turned full-time artist, dressed the way I wanted, and became active in the scene, that my ease in acquiring women increased tenfold. Where I used to need to approach women I fancied, now they approach me. So the niche is working excellent for me. YMMV.

 

[Westminster]

Most women won't be into you if you go for a strong niche look but a a certain minority will be - and that's OK because that's all you need.

The odds will be stacked in your favour with the small number of women that like your look/style/demeanour so you'll still get plenty of attention and opportunities. Which is basically all anybody wants.

So, all in all, developing a niche is a good plan for a lot of guys once they get to a certain stage in life.

 

[LTG71]

Actually, that goes for most people. If you figure out what makes someone talk about themselves, you can sit back and nod while they love the 'conversation'.

Everyone has a certain level of narcissism. The worst ones ramble on about themselves and never give you a chance to speak. The irony is they enjoyed the “conversation“ because they got to talk about themselves while you got stuck listening. I know a few that literally walk away or stop texting once the subject is not about them.

 

[SW15]

Wheat Waffles did a video about this topic....

 

[obelisk]

That's a great and well laid out video SW15. He frames it really well for us data driven types. It'd be great to see someone take that a step further and try and discuss the impacts of improving your game and social skills on things.

His point about flattening the curve made totally sense for why and if you should do so.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Wheat Waffles did a video

While I like the video, some of the nichemaxxing things are funny, as they require congruence. For instance, if you nichemaxx as a biker, you better own a badass motorcycle, or you'll come off fake. Another thing is that you can be in several niches at the same time, appealing to different women. If you would feature high in more than one niche, the percentage of attractiveness would go up.