Pick up is just like the dieting industry!

[elitewarrior]

Long time lurker here from 2000 to 2001 and it seems like the pickup industry has become just like the dieting very saturated and still a very uphill battle.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Excess food can cause diabetes, high cholesterol and ultimately death. Dating (lack of) can cause loneliness and depression. Also if successful, can lead to marriage, divorce, ruin fiance, and also death.

The answer to diets is simple - eat less. The answer to dating is be a chad.

Yeah, I can see the similarities. Both fields have their grifters trying to make money.

 

[RazorRambo24]

See I really am starting to get curious about why some of you dudes say this. I think approach is not hard in any means, never really was for me besides the normal learning curve you might have/doing the wrong things/saing the wrong things, getting used to environments full of ego like clubs, etc..

If you're talking about standard "Pickup/pUA" sht, yeah its done.. its dead. people can smell it a mile away and it looks/sounds corny. Just be natural.

You'd be surprised what you can pick up with just some muscles and slightly above average looks. An average gu can look above average too with the right haircut, right clothes, muscles, smelling nice, and confidence.

TO think that every girl is capable of rejecting the average guy is ridiculous. GO after girls WITHIN your league and you'll see its not that hard unless you're a bottom of the barrel type dude.

Regardless, ACCOUNTABILITY is needed. Level up.

 

[Slowhandluke]

If you're talking about standard "Pickup/pUA" sht, yeah its done.. its dead. people can smell it a mile away and it looks/sounds corny. Just be natural.

..... just be natural... just be yourself. I think I have hear that advice before..

You'd be surprised what you can pick up with just some muscles and slightly above average looks. An average gu can look above average too with the right haircut, right clothes, muscles, smelling nice, and confidence.

TO think that every girl is capable of rejecting the average guy is ridiculous. GO after girls WITHIN your league and you'll see its not that hard unless you're a bottom of the barrel type dude.

Regardless, ACCOUNTABILITY is needed. Level up.

... and the sad fact remains: not everyone can be a chad or wants to be a chad.

 

[PlatoPacks23]

in many ways I regret even getting into pick up rather than just expanding my social circle and working out/fashion more like the mainstream advice is.

there's a Nice thrill about it but overall it is just not that effective and is a time waster from what I've learned.

Learned some very useful things from it but also some bad habits and awkward inner game issues

 

[Cowboy-Cheems]

I think what discourages a lot of men is over-simplifying every social dynamic into a basic formula. There is no "right kind of woman" and there is no "right kind of words" to say to her. There is only you, every other man, and every woman in the game of human social life.

All these books, programs, dating coaches and what-not are all just ideas (some better than others). Even the best ideas are worthless without action. Too many guys take a class, or read a book and proceed to apply nothing from them or apply their teachings in a incorrect or half-assed manner. They then proceed to wonder why hot babes are not beating their door down.

 

[The Duke]

See I really am starting to get curious about why some of you dudes say this. I think approach is not hard in any means, never really was for me besides the normal learning curve you might have/doing the wrong things/saing the wrong things, getting used to environments full of ego like clubs, etc..

If you're talking about standard "Pickup/pUA" sht, yeah its done.. its dead. people can smell it a mile away and it looks/sounds corny. Just be natural.

You'd be surprised what you can pick up with just some muscles and slightly above average looks. An average gu can look above average too with the right haircut, right clothes, muscles, smelling nice, and confidence.

TO think that every girl is capable of rejecting the average guy is ridiculous. GO after girls WITHIN your league and you'll see its not that hard unless you're a bottom of the barrel type dude.

Regardless, ACCOUNTABILITY is needed. Level up.

Brother, pull your pants up. I know your momma raised you better. ;-)

 

[RazorRambo24]

..... just be natural... just be yourself. I think I have hear that advice before..



... and the sad fact remains: not everyone can be a chad or wants to be a chad.

Important to also mention--> Not every woman wants a chad. To some women a chad means dealing with other women , possibly infidelity, an ego, etc etc

Brother, pull your pants up. I know your momma raised you better. ;-)

Nah she raised me to be a menace. If it werent for her not giving me enough love and attention when I needed it most, i'd probably be a good wholesome boy haha. She had her reasons tho, she was just as ADHD as I was and was going thru alot in the 90s. Fastforward into the future and she became a good friend to me more than a mother.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Important to also mention--> Not every woman wants a chad. To some women a chad means dealing with other women , possibly infidelity, an ego, etc etc

.... but yet so many average women are pumped and dumped by chad... over and over again.... that a lot of them are complaining "where are all the good men".


https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/15c031h

 

[Manure Spherian]

... and the sad fact remains: not everyone can be a chad or wants to be a chad.

He said within one’s league.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Brother, pull your pants up. I know your momma raised you better. ;-)

Not wanting to disrespect mothers (or RR24), but part of the problem in society for the last few decades is the massive amount of men raised solely by their single/divorced mothers and the depletion of positive male role models.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Not wanting to disrespect mothers (or RR24), but part of the problem in society for the last few decades is the massive amount of men raised solely by their single/divorced mothers and the depletion of positive male role models.

Why is this even concerning to you especially if you have no desire to settle down and just want to sleep around with as many girls as possible? These females are prime targets for females.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Why is this even concerning to you especially if you have no desire to settle down and just want to sleep around with as many girls as possible?

Are you telling me I should not be concerned about younger generations? I have teenage children, I'm involved in their future. Don't tell me not to care just because my personal goals are different from yours.

 

[obelisk]

Why is this even concerning to you especially if you have no desire to settle down and just want to sleep around with as many girls as possible? These females are prime targets for females.

Because these types of issues in society makes the women mental cases that we want to ****/date/marry (even ignoring if we have sons/daughters of our own)? It does impact us directly.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Are you telling me I should not be concerned about younger generations? I have teenage children, I'm involved in their future. Don't tell me not to care just because my personal goals are different from yours.

But your personal goals clearly contradict with your concerns. You are basically the corporation polluting the nearby river with waste and toxics, but then virtue signaling to the world about being Pro-Environmental. If you are pro PUA, then you want an abundant access to easy women. If women decide to settle down and have kids with their HS BFS by 20, there's no young women for you have sex with.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

If you are pro PUA, then you want an abundant access to easy women.

I have an abundant access to women, and I'm not pro PUA.

 

[SW15]

expanding my social circle and working out/fashion more like the mainstream advice is.

Social circle introductions are the best option for a normie range guy. Most men are normie range.

Social circle is great for getting a girlfriend. Pay close attention to the words "a girlfriend". That means one girlfriend. If you're looking for an extended relationship (2-5 years or more), your best bet for getting that with the least amount of grief and frustration is social circle. Many men who get social circle girlfriends tend to retain those girlfriends for a long time and often beyond the useful life of the relationship. A lot of the social circle girlfriend guys are beta males and beta males operate from a scarcity mindset. It's common to see a 10 year+ relationship from social circle which does lead to a marriage proposal.

There are many men out there that don't have a social circle capable of producing introductions. My social circle has been like that for a long time, which is why I have had to rely on other methods. Over the years, I've approached strangers and used tech-based methods. When comparing tech-based to approaching strangers in real life, the latter option (real life approaching) is often the better option. However, it can feel like making the least bad choice of 2 bad choices. Approaching strangers in real life is an unpleasant experience to some degree.

For men with social circles, the problem with the social circle method eventually becomes sustainability as social circles get pissed at men who continually exchange girlfriends, even if the relationships are semi-long (1-4 years). The behavior described in the last sentence is serial monogamy, so it is accurate to say that social circles get pissed off at serial monogamists. It is important to remember that social circles generally have a blue pill viewpoint on romantic relationships. A man might be able to pull 2 LTRs from a social circle without marrying one. After 2 instances, he will have typically bled the social circle dry. This is known as "poisoning the well".

As for working out, that is promoted in both normie circles (blue pill) and alternative worldview circles (red and black pill).

All these books, programs, dating coaches and what-not are all just ideas (some better than others). Even the best ideas are worthless without action. Too many guys take a class, or read a book and proceed to apply nothing from them or apply their teachings in a incorrect or half-assed manner. They then proceed to wonder why hot babes are not beating their door down.

This happens all the time.

I know a guy who read "Bang" and "Mystery Method". He never truly ended up applying it. He ended up in a social circle formed LTR with a woman and stayed around it for a long time, even acknowledging that the relationship had peaked and was in the throes of mediocrity. Even after acknowledging mediocrity, he continued to stay in the relationship for multiple years and eventually proposed marriage. I never understood that at all.

A lot of men who read attraction-seduction materials or watch the YouTube videos never end up applying it in real life, just like the beta male I mentioned above. The beta male I mentioned above did at least get an LTR, unlike many borderline incel or MGTOW betas out there.

.... but yet so many average women are pumped and dumped by chad... over and over again.... that a lot of them are complaining "where are all the good men".

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/15c031h

There are all these women riding the penis carousel and complaining "where have all the good men gone?" while an increasing portion of the male population is experiencing significant sexual scarcity. The ranks of incel/borderline incel men and MGTOW men are growing.

Women continue to reject larger portions of the male population.

Rollo Tomassi says regularly that average women today are no longer interested in average men.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I have an abundant access to women, and I'm not pro PUA.

do you want that abundant to change to scarce?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

do you want that abundant to change to scarce?

That's not really a risk, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[CornbreadFed]

That's not really a risk, as far as I'm concerned.

I am glad it's not. I come from a place where women are wifed up with their HS boos and pregnant by 21. The remaining single women either leave or just thot out amongst social circle game. The scraps are single moms and other non-desirable women.