Understanding these fundamentals will help you go far (Kinda long thread)

[RazorRambo24]

1) A woman can think you're cute/attractive and not want to sleep with you
2) A woman can find you hot or have sex with you but not want to be with you
3) A woman can think you're sweet and give /show you love but not want to be with you/have sex with you.
4) A woman can be flirtacious/charming but not trying to hit on you..
5) A woman might be friendly with you and not be into you.
7) Sex has nothing to do with love. Its a fun activity and requires just a small amount of chemistry to even partake in.

For the majority of these, its always best not to waste time and try to figure things out or make theories in your head.. but rather:
FIND OUT As soon as possible.
How?
1) Ask her out quite early in knowing her.
2) Make it clear you are into her very early on
3) If you fear that giving up your interest in her will cause her to play games/manipulate you with the leverage she has, she's either unideal or you are insecure.


6) Good quality women will make you work for it. Most attractive women mature greatly by the time they are just 21 yrs old, whereas some men might not mature and understand dating and love and emotions till their 30s.
This is because women grow up thinking about love and focusing on it and put alot of emotional into relationships very early on. Their first heartbreak affects them far greater than it affects men. While men grow up thinking about sex and hard work, priorities, masculine interests, being alpha, being like their fathers or rolemodels, etc


The rest , you need to understand that the decent women understand alot of men are sh.t -- They will stick their d.cik into any hole, and the chads will cheat or exercise their plethora of options, that there are so many sluts out there willing to ruin relationships, marriages, etc

So, its important to know that good quality women will make you work for it. If you are not willing to put in work and try to "win" over a good quality woman, you are either resentful and callous toward women and on the "Defensive" towards a woman who doesnt just give you free interest for existing, delusional to think that women should show you interest for simply existing, a chad or very attractive and spoiled by circumstances, or have insecurities that prevent you from even trying.

Never compare yourself or your circumstances to another man. We are all vastly different with different circumstances and experiences. The best women I ever had in my life, I had to work to get and work harder to keep. Life will only give you sht that you are prepared for. Many of you aren't prepared for the type of lifestyle you want. The girl whos now my girlfriend def kept me on my toes for a long time. It goes to show you just because you have alot of sex and have alotof options doesn't mean you feel like every girl loves you. quite the opposite. Sex is just an activity, people need to look at it like instant gratification rather than relating to love.

Now, some practical advice since alot of this sht will just anger people like "THIS IS CONFUSING, B.ITCFHEs ARE WEIRD I DONT GET THIS"

If yo uwant to really hook any girl, give her strong small concentrated doses of attention, and otherwise barely acknowledge her. To understand th enotion though this has to be a girl you area round regularly.. whether in a friend group, social circle, workplace, etc. IF you dont have any time to be around her, theres no way you can build attraction.. You CAN do the same thing on social media though.. after a while of "Dosing" her with attention, you ask her out, th date is where you capitalize. Show he ra good time, dont just take her to one place and back to your house.. Take her out to like 3 diff places, one of them being a fun activity, one being a place for drinks, one being a place for food in general and conversation, give 0 signs of sex happening during those times.. and then when u invite her home, watch her be open .. and when u actually layeth the pipe.. watch her orgasm like crazy.

The difference between a girl having a crazy orgasm or a girl that squirts actually squirting rather than jus gushing/being extra wet.. or not even orgasming or barely having a weak orgasm is you spending a da with her building up that sexual tension vs you meeting up wit her and having sex 10 mins later.. Just something I noticed. Ofc when the chemistry gets good and u are super comfortable with each other, that can be a regular occurrence without having to build tension because the tension is built when ur not with them... INFACT< its a great measure of whether a girl is super into you or not.. the girls that were hoeing around with other guys u can tell by their lack of orgasm that they were jus blowing their tension always with other dudes.. while the girl who is all about you was building it till she saw u.. Keep in mind though that there are also girls who orgasm like horny teenage boys, in minutes and multiple times. Not sure why, but in those cases, its not a tell ttale sign of anything but a great grl to keep around becaus that sht will really boost your confidence if you're still not adept in the bedroom.

As for the small doses of attention what do I mean?
- when u do give her attention, make it direct, make it flirtacious/sexual
-go out your way to make a small gesture, whether its buying her some chocolate or giving her a rose, or buying her something u know she likes (a donut from Stans Donuts)
- if you can catch her alone , lock lips with her, be passionate, then step away.. flirt for a bit then be on your way.
- if you already have rapport with her, turn that foreplay into passionate sex.. then give urself an excuse to be busy after or leave/or have her leave
- say hi, flirt with her for a bit and talk and make it fun and even ask personal things or share personal things, but keep it short and be on your way

TLDR:
Alot of times we think of being an alpha male/player as this wam bam dont give her no attention no emotion no nothing and act mean to her and she'll be on her knees for you. Lets be honest, that works with young ass girls when ur a badass.. but after a certain age no one falls for that sht. Especially not in 2023 when every girl thinks her sh.t is made of gold and her pu55y is heaven-sent.

But being realistic and having an idea of how romance/seduction works is important. Also knowing that 90% of women unless they are not taken are not looking or even think much about guys or dating.. just because they float on a cloud of knowing they can pull anyone is pertinent to understanding how to interact with them.

For majority of guys, I would say best advice is just to let your masculine/good/positive traits shine, show yourself as a genuinely good guy, who is interesting and not a horny dude looking to nosedive into her pu55y and be actually good at conversations and then being fun to hang with and "play" with will be your best way forward with majority of women, whos personalities can be vastly different.

Hopefully this stirs some good discussions up or brings up some good questions.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

8) A woman can hate you and still want to fvck your brains out.

 

[Gamisch]

I agree .

The problem a lotta man will face is that the "wrong "women will act right and vice versa (right women acting wrong ).

Looks are deceiving. A man can assume she is a "hb8" while she is a sloot, while the hb6 is actually a good woman...

I know I did spend tons of times chasing socalled "bad bytches" , who lost the sharpness of their looks after a while ( =years) .

That's why I like your post. Better learn from this gents...choose wisely when picking out your women..

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

1) A woman can think you're cute/attractive and not want to sleep with you
2) A woman can find you hot or have sex with you but not want to be with you
3) A woman can think you're sweet and give /show you love but not want to be with you/have sex with you.
4) A woman can be flirtacious/charming but not trying to hit on you..
5) A woman might be friendly with you and not be into you.
7) Sex has nothing to do with love. Its a fun activity and requires just a small amount of chemistry to even partake in.

All are very true...and you have to be out there in the field to know exactly how true those sentiments are.

For the majority of these, its always best not to waste time and try to figure things out or make theories in your head.. but rather:
FIND OUT As soon as possible.
How?
1) Ask her out quite early in knowing her.
2) Make it clear you are into her very early on
3) If you fear that giving up your interest in her will cause her to play games/manipulate you with the leverage she has, she's either unideal or you are insecure.

So, a roundabout way of saying: Go Mode One.

6) Good quality women will make you work for it.

First of all, who gets to define what a good quality woman is?

That is subjective.

Because the way I look at it, a woman is quality is if she can provide value to my life, which includes (but not limited to) her allowing me to get physical within a relatively short amount of time after we meet.

See how I defined what "quality" is to me?

I'm not interested in some brawd that is going to make me work for it, like she is the prize and I gotta prove myself to her.

That is beta sh!t, and we should be beyond dealing with self entitled BYTCHES like that.

Naw, not me.

I am the prize.

 

[zekko]

1) A woman can think you're cute/attractive and not want to sleep with you
2) A woman can find you hot or have sex with you but not want to be with you
3) A woman can think you're sweet and give /show you love but not want to be with you/have sex with you.
4) A woman can be flirtacious/charming but not trying to hit on you..
5) A woman might be friendly with you and not be into you.
7) Sex has nothing to do with love. Its a fun activity and requires just a small amount of chemistry to even partake in.

Nice list. When I saw the title about fundamentals, I figured it was going to be a bunch of the same old same old (which is not to say that stuff is useless or untrue, but a lot of the time it feels like there is nothing new under the sun, especially when it comes to PUA tips).

 

[RazorRambo24]

All are very true...and you have to be out there in the field to know exactly how true those sentiments are.



So, a roundabout way of saying: Go Mode One.



First of all, who gets to define what a good quality woman is?

That is subjective.

Because the way I look at it, a woman is quality is if she can provide value to my life, which includes (but not limited to) her allowing me to get physical within a relatively short amount of time after we meet.

See how I defined what "quality" is to me?

I'm not interested in some brawd that is going to make me work for it, like she is the prize and I gotta prove myself to her.

That is beta sh!t, and we should be beyond dealing with self entitled BYTCHES like that.

Naw, not me.

I am the prize.

Aren't you the guy who made a thread bragging about boning a 75 yr old black woman? So much for being a prize ay?

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Aren't you the guy who made a thread bragging about boning a 75 yr old black woman? So much for being a prize ay?

Yeah, she invited me over to her staycation, and made me a couple of bacon & egg sandwiches when I said I was hungry... something that none of your younger women would do for you.

She also rubbed and cradled my head while I sucked those big ass titties, which was mission accomplished for me .

See, that is quality/value to me.

And unlike your simp ass perspective, I didn't have to work for it, which is one the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

You obviously ain't no alpha/don, because no true don would think like that.

Bunch of fake dons on here, and the boy Rambo is one of them.

 

[zekko]

Aren't you the guy who made a thread bragging about boning a 75 yr old black woman?

Well, I bet not everybody can say that.

 

[RazorRambo24]

Yeah, she invited me over to her staycation, and made me a couple of bacon & egg sandwiches when I said I was hungry... something that none of your younger women would do for you.

She also rubbed and cradled my head while I sucked those big ass titties, which was mission accomplished for me .

See, that is quality/value to me.

And unlike your simp ass perspective, I didn't have to work for it, which is one the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

You obviously ain't no alpha/don, because no true don would think like that.

Bunch of fake dons on here, and the boy Rambo is one of them.

The only reason you got a 75 y rold woman is because you can't pull anything that's worth bragging about. That's the reality of it. But I don't expect any better from a dude who had ot read books and quote authors to learn about women. No offense to you.. Its not personal, but its quite pathetic and telling how you got excited about that and had to make a post about it. That's something that most people would consider a completely embarrassing moment and lack of any self respect or dignity.

The perspective that I am relying on here is not for myself btw. It's for the average person on Sosuave who don't seem to understand some of these things.

You could have kept your whole shtick about being a guy who knows about women and is some type of dude people respect on here until you made that thread.. I mean I already knew you were not an ideal dude when I would read your comments/posts but that one kinda confirmed everything I thought.. I just didn't know it was THAT bad..

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The only reason you got a 75 y rold woman is because you can't pull anything that's worth bragging about.

The only reason I got her and any OTHER woman of whose age range is from 18-and beyond, is because I have the balls that you will never have.

Big titties, of course

That's the reality of it. But I don't expect any better from a dude who had ot read books and quote authors to learn about women.

Yeah, and when I compare what I've learned from others to my own experiences out in the field...they match.

Which means that those I've learned from were speaking the truth..and as long as it's the truth, I am willing to learn.

That's why I can't learn anything from you...because what you saying is bullsh!t.

No offense to you.. Its not personal, but its quite pathetic and telling how you got excited about that and had to make a post about it.

Um, I broadcasted a field report, under a thread titled and pertaining to a cold approaching field report.

So I did exactly what I was supposed to do.

That's something that most people would consider a completely embarrassing moment and lack of any self respect or dignity.

Embarrassing? Hahaha.

Exhibit A..

Candid Busty GRANNIES (add yours; See 1st Post)

Admin Post: A "Candid" is a picture or video taken without the subject being aware that it was taken. So, "Posing" media DOES NOT belong in this thread. BQ Age ain't nothing but a number. Flesh melons are such a rare commodity, I'm willing to scavenge among the corpses of the walking dead...

titsintops.com

Go ahead and click on that link.

You said "most" people would consider the 74 year old chick an embarrassment.

Well, clearly those tens of thousands of men who frequent that thread and salivate over grannies are not part of your "most" people demographics.

Now, maybe such women don't appeal to you, but we don't give a FUK about what appeals to you.

You do you, and let us do us.

The perspective that I am relying on here is not for myself btw. It's for the average person on Sosuave who don't seem to understand some of these things.

Sounds like you are included in that bunch.

You could have kept your whole shtick about being a guy who knows about women and is some type of dude people respect on here until you made that thread.. I mean I already knew you were not an ideal dude when I would read your comments/posts but that one kinda confirmed everything I thought.. I just didn't know it was THAT bad..

Funny, because I shared my experiences about other women I approached on the same thread..

And neither one of the other women were even close in age of the 74 year old.

So stop it.

 

[RazorRambo24]

The only reason I got her and any OTHER woman of whose age range is from 18-and beyond, is because I have the balls that you will never have.

Big titties, of course



Yeah, and when I compare what I've learned from others to my own experiences out in the field...they match.

Which means that those I've learned from were speaking the truth..and as long as it's the truth, I am willing to learn.

That's why I can't learn anything from you...because what you saying is bullsh!t.



Um, I broadcasted a field report, under a thread titled and pertaining to a cold approaching field report.

So I did exactly what I was supposed to do.



Embarrassing? Hahaha.

Exhibit A..

Candid Busty GRANNIES (add yours; See 1st Post)

Admin Post: A "Candid" is a picture or video taken without the subject being aware that it was taken. So, "Posing" media DOES NOT belong in this thread. BQ Age ain't nothing but a number. Flesh melons are such a rare commodity, I'm willing to scavenge among the corpses of the walking dead...

titsintops.com

Go ahead and click on that link.

You said "most" people would consider the 74 year old chick an embarrassment.

Well, clearly those tens of thousands of men who frequent that thread and salivate over grannies are not part of your "most" people demographics.

Now, maybe such women don't appeal to you, but we don't give a FUK about what appeals to you.

You do you, and let us do us.



Sounds like you are included in that bunch.



Funny, because I shared my experiences about other women I approached on the same thread..

And neither one of the other women were even close in age of the 74 year old.

So stop it.

Alot of effort in defending banging a great grandmother.. "balls" to pull a great grandmother is hilarious. If you had any balls you'd try to pull a hot chick not a desperate old granny. You can't say you're the prize and then have no dignity.. That's just pitiful.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Alot of effort in defending banging a great grandmother..

It was even less of an effort to bag her.

"balls" to pull a great grandmother is hilarious.

Well, it takes balls.

If you had any balls you'd try to pull a hot chick

Who is or isn't hot to me is not for you to decide.

not a desperate old granny.

Who said she was desperate?

You can't say you're the prize and then have no dignity.. That's just pitiful.

I'm not the one being made to work for a woman's vagina, titties, or attention.

You apparently are.

Which is just..pitiful.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

A good quality woman will want you to work for it, but a highly interested good quality woman will give you a break and not make you work so hard. A good litmus test is how willingly she will sexually flirt with you (not nec getting graphic, but at least flirting) once you've established good rapport.

Another good litmus test is if she's Catholic or not. Lolz.

 

[BadBoy89]

1) A woman can think you're cute/attractive and not want to sleep with you
2) A woman can find you hot or have sex with you but not want to be with you
3) A woman can think you're sweet and give /show you love but not want to be with you/have sex with you.
4) A woman can be flirtacious/charming but not trying to hit on you..
5) A woman might be friendly with you and not be into you.
7) Sex has nothing to do with love. Its a fun activity and requires just a small amount of chemistry to even partake in.

Agree.

For the majority of these, its always best not to waste time and try to figure things out or make theories in your head.. but rather:
FIND OUT As soon as possible.
How?
1) Ask her out quite early in knowing her.
2) Make it clear you are into her very early on
3) If you fear that giving up your interest in her will cause her to play games/manipulate you with the leverage she has, she's either unideal or you are insecure.

Agree.

6) Good quality women will make you work for it.

Disagree.

For a man, there is no such thing as a good "quality" woman. "Quality" cannot be defined. Generally, all a man wants is a woman who gives birth to a healthy baby, cooks, cleans, doesn't talk too much, and gives sex. Once the woman turns 40, the man needs a young hot mistress.

A woman should not make a man "work" for it. A man should be too busy trying to build a new city or a new airplane, not chase after some non-virgin in her late 20s or 30s who decides to become sexually reserved because her goals have changed. Sex is for the man. If a woman wants a relationship, she has to work for it.

Most attractive women mature greatly by the time they are just 21 yrs old, whereas some men might not mature and understand dating and love and emotions till their 30s.
This is because women grow up thinking about love and focusing on it and put alot of emotional into relationships very early on. Their first heartbreak affects them far greater than it affects men. While men grow up thinking about sex and hard work, priorities, masculine interests, being alpha, being like their fathers or rolemodels, etc

Agree

So, its important to know that good quality women will make you work for it. If you are not willing to put in work and try to "win" over a good quality woman, you are either resentful and callous toward women and on the "Defensive" towards a woman who doesnt just give you free interest for existing, delusional to think that women should show you interest for simply existing, a chad or very attractive and spoiled by circumstances, or have insecurities that prevent you from even trying.

Disagree.

Again, "quality" has to be defined. And again, generally for a man, a woman's "quality" is her looks, her youth, her past transgressions. He generally doesn't care about anything else.

I wouldn't say a woman should show a man interest for existing, but the amount of work a man should put in if the woman is not a virgin goes from about 100 to 5.

Alternatively, we could just say "A man's genetics overpowers everything when it comes to young hot sexy girls" and be done with it.

Never compare yourself or your circumstances to another man. We are all vastly different with different circumstances and experiences. The best women I ever had in my life, I had to work to get and work harder to keep. Life will only give you sht that you are prepared for. Many of you aren't prepared for the type of lifestyle you want. The girl whos now my girlfriend def kept me on my toes for a long time. It goes to show you just because you have alot of sex and have alotof options doesn't mean you feel like every girl loves you. quite the opposite. Sex is just an activity, people need to look at it like instant gratification rather than relating to love.

Disagree.

It's not a man's job to work hard for a woman. It's a man's job to work hard for himself, to invent something, to create something, to be the best man physically mentally emotionally he can be. Not to chase after some non-virgin who is losing her looks by the second.

Women are replaceable. A man's time and money is not.

TLDR:
Alot of times we think of being an alpha male/player as this wam bam dont give her no attention no emotion no nothing and act mean to her and she'll be on her knees for you. Lets be honest, that works with young ass girls when ur a badass.. but after a certain age no one falls for that sht. Especially not in 2023 when every girl thinks her sh.t is made of gold and her pu55y is heaven-sent.

OK this is agreeable, but the thing is all men want young sexy girls. Generally, men won't give any woman close to 40 the time of day; along with fat women, ugly women, or menopausal women.

For majority of guys, I would say best advice is just to let your masculine/good/positive traits shine, show yourself as a genuinely good guy, who is interesting and not a horny dude looking to nosedive into her pu55y and be actually good at conversations and then being fun to hang with and "play" with will be your best way forward with majority of women, whos personalities can be vastly different.
.

The older guys can see this.

But for younger guys who don't have experience, it is really really hard to see this. Generally, all younger guys care about is girls, because their hormones are going crazy, they know girls are at their prime in their late teens and 20s, AND, this I consider is the most important factor, EVERY GUY is generally on the same playing field. When women mature and get older, the level playing field shifts, and OTHER factors come into play. Guys hate those other factors, even though they can be successful with them.

 

[DonJuanjr]

When women mature and get older, the level playing field shifts, and OTHER factors come into play.

Such as?

 

[Agamemnon43]

Agree with OP on most, however, it's important to define what "working for her" should mean. For example, if I'm gonna date a woman who i percieve to have more "quality" then others (yes, you can usually get a solid indication of that just by observing her behavior and learning a few key things about her), then I have no problem her not wanting to get physical on the first date. It's actually more engaging and challening to me to have her cooked up by the second date and see if she had enough self control to hold on and not give herself up on the first date. It's interesting. However, second date is the limit for non-physical, i have to stress out.
If there is any LTR potential in the girl than I really think you shouldn't mind her not jumping on you on the first date. Or either giving you her number after 20 secs of conversation. If that's what you mean by working for it, then yes, I agree.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Or either giving you her number after 20 secs of conversation.

I feel there is/was this obsession with 'getting her number'. I understood that it was about breaking a barrier and getting a woman to give you her contact information, but many were just 'number closing' and failed to escalate that to dating the woman in question.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Agree with OP on most, however, it's important to define what "working for her" should mean. For example, if I'm gonna date a woman who i percieve to have more "quality" then others (yes, you can usually get a solid indication of that just by observing her behavior and learning a few key things about her), then I have no problem her not wanting to get physical on the first date. It's actually more engaging and challening to me to have her cooked up by the second date and see if she had enough self control to hold on and not give herself up on the first date. It's interesting. However, second date is the limit for non-physical, i have to stress out.
If there is any LTR potential in the girl than I really think you shouldn't mind her not jumping on you on the first date. Or either giving you her number after 20 secs of conversation. If that's what you mean by working for it, then yes, I agree.

No free attention.