I was correct

[AureliusMaximus]

misinformation

and who decides what " misinformation" or "propaganda" is?

That is the dangerous theoretical hard part to ponder about.

In these days of the internet era all parties produce it and that makes it even harder to determine what is wrong/right or correct or incorrect.

Even governments and other organizations produce propaganda and misinformation to support their agenda or narrative and if you do not support it/them, you will canceled, most likely lose your job, and called things which will absolutely destroy your career and your coming future.

One of the most easiest way destroy people's credibility is to called them names such as "climate denier", "anti-vaxer", "conspiracy theorist", "right-wing extremist", "racist", "islamophob", "domestic terrorist", "free speech absolutist", etc. and the scary part is that it usually works most of the time.

Right now for example Russell Brand is experiencing this where he is being canceled by the official narrative and accused of doing something 10-15 years back by women where is no physical evidence at all to prove it after he went out on a US TV show with some truth bombs which the powers at be doesn't like, (Well that is the theory of why he being targeted at least. See the Twitter video below to get an idea).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703538875618996317

But it is working and yesterday Google/YouTube cancelled him and disabled monetization features on his YouTube account.

YouTube suspends Russell Brand from making money off the streaming site after sex assault claims

YouTube said monetization of Brand’s account, which has 6.6 million subscribers, has been suspended “following serious allegations against the creator.”

nypost.com

Do remember that this is not the first time this happened. It has happened to many people now and it always follow the same pattern.

We saw the same pattern during the covid era and how people like scientists, doctors, specialists, opposing politicians etc. were shut down for saying thing that indeed was correct (and also proven correct by science/by data later after covid too), and well supported by data being cancelled because it went against the official narrative and being of course censored everywhere by search engines like Google, social media, mainstream media and governments.

So we are in troubling and concerning times. So who has the right to decide what is "misinformation" and what is right and what is wrong?
In the end maybe its really down to each individual to decide it?

Personally I don't know 100% what to make of it; I just know I'm worried about the direction we are heading; and how we can turn this around as single individuals?

I just read yesterday that nearly a third of Gen-Z support government surveillance Cameras at home. What is going on and why are we moving towards this horrible future?

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Should the government really have so much power that they can monitor when you take a huge dump on the toilet? Would you like strangers monitor you at home what you are doing? Maybe even monitor what you can or cannot do in your own privacy or what products/food you are allowed to consume? Do you think this sounds like a wonderful coming future? I'm not saying that it will, but there is certainly signals out there which point in that direction and it is absolutely not in lack of a better word "fun" to watch/read about.


I'm just really concerned about this development towards a more authoritarian society where we lose more and more of our hard earned liberty and rights to our privacy and the decision making over our own lives.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

and who decides what " misinformation" or "propaganda" is?

That is the dangerous theoretical hard part to ponder about.

In these days of the internet era all parties produce it and that makes it even harder to determine what is wrong/right or correct or incorrect.

Even governments and other organizations produce propaganda and misinformation to support their agenda or narrative and if you do not support it/them, you will canceled, most likely lose your job, and called things which will absolutely destroy your career and your coming future.

One of the most easiest way destroy people's credibility is to called them names such as "climate denier", "anti-vaxer", "conspiracy theorist", "right-wing extremist", "racist", "islamophob", "domestic terrorist", "free speech absolutist", etc. and the scary part is that it usually works most of the time.

Right now for example Russell Brand is experiencing this where he is being canceled by the official narrative and accused of doing something 10-15 years back by women where is no physical evidence at all to prove it after he went out on a US TV show with some truth bombs which the powers at be doesn't like, (Well that is the theory of why he being targeted at least. See the Twitter video below to get an idea).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703538875618996317

But it is working and yesterday Google/YouTube cancelled him and disabled monetization features on his YouTube account.

YouTube suspends Russell Brand from making money off the streaming site after sex assault claims

YouTube said monetization of Brand’s account, which has 6.6 million subscribers, has been suspended “following serious allegations against the creator.”

nypost.com

Do remember that this is not the first time this happened. It has happened to many people now and it always follow the same pattern.

We saw the same pattern during the covid era and how people like scientists, doctors, specialists, opposing politicians etc. were shut down for saying thing that indeed was correct (and also proven correct by science/by data later after covid too), and well supported by data being cancelled because it went against the official narrative and being of course censored everywhere by search engines like Google, social media, mainstream media and governments.

So we are in troubling and concerning times. So who has the right to decide what is "misinformation" and what is right and what is wrong?
In the end maybe its really down to each individual to decide it?

Personally I don't know 100% what to make of it; I just know I'm worried about the direction we are heading; and how we can turn this around as single individuals?

I just read yesterday that nearly a third of Gen-Z support government surveillance Cameras at home. What is going on and why are we moving towards this horrible future?

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Should the government really have so much power that they can monitor when you take a huge dump on the toilet? Would you like strangers monitor you at home what you are doing? Maybe even monitor what you can or cannot do in your own privacy or what products/food you are allowed to consume? Do you think this sounds like a wonderful coming future? I'm not saying that it will, but there is certainly signals out there which point in that direction and it is absolutely not in lack of a better word "fun" to watch/read about.


I'm just really concerned about this development towards a more authoritarian society where we lose more and more of our hard earned liberty and rights to our privacy and the decision making over our own lives.

A fair question...I guess it depends what side of the fence you are standing on since the US and CIA does the exact same thing in countries where they have interests in which side wins.

Meta Takes Down 'Largest Ever' Chinese Influence Operation

New details on a vast effort that may be only the beginning of China's information-warfare ambitions

time.com

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

@AureliusMaximus

I find myself both perplexed and deeply troubled by your continued propagation of conspiracy theories surrounding the COVID-19 vaccines. Your dogged pursuit of this fallacious narrative is nothing short of baffling and, frankly, a remarkable display of intellectual dishonesty and confirmation bias at its peak. Rumble and 4Chan? Really? Seriously?

Your hypocritical approach of using medical journal retractions and admissions of side effects to bolster your theories, only to dismiss these very same sources when they counter your beliefs, is a disgraceful exploitation of scientific discourse. This selective cherry-picking of information, a convenient dance that suits your narrative, serves as a shining example of how not to engage in an honest discussion based on factual evidence.

Furthermore, your suggestion that healthcare professionals, myself included, receive monetary compensation for vaccinating individuals is a profoundly offensive and reprehensible accusation. It's a slanderous attack on the integrity of countless professionals who have dedicated themselves to the well-being of others, particularly in these trying times. This notion not only undermines the monumental efforts of the global healthcare community but also fosters misinformation and mistrust at a time when unity and factual accuracy are paramount.

I implore you to step back and honestly assess the repercussions of your actions. It's high time to abandon this narrow-minded view that only serves to alienate and misguide. I would strongly urge you to reconsider your stance, refrain from spreading such unfounded theories, and afford the hardworking individuals on the front lines the respect and trust they rightfully deserve.

Your blatant disregard for truth and responsible discourse is not just exasperating but actively harmful.

Your willingness to undermine the vast majority of credible, verified, and peer-reviewed data with baseless allegations and fear-mongering paints a picture of an individual more interested in stoking flames of division than seeking genuine understanding or truth.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

@AureliusMaximus

I find myself both perplexed and deeply troubled by your continued propagation of conspiracy theories surrounding the COVID-19 vaccines. Your dogged pursuit of this fallacious narrative is nothing short of baffling and, frankly, a remarkable display of intellectual dishonesty and confirmation bias at its peak. Rumble and 4Chan? Really? Seriously?

Your hypocritical approach of using medical journal retractions and admissions of side effects to bolster your theories, only to dismiss these very same sources when they counter your beliefs, is a disgraceful exploitation of scientific discourse. This selective cherry-picking of information, a convenient dance that suits your narrative, serves as a shining example of how not to engage in an honest discussion based on factual evidence.

Furthermore, your suggestion that healthcare professionals, myself included, receive monetary compensation for vaccinating individuals is a profoundly offensive and reprehensible accusation. It's a slanderous attack on the integrity of countless professionals who have dedicated themselves to the well-being of others, particularly in these trying times. This notion not only undermines the monumental efforts of the global healthcare community but also fosters misinformation and mistrust at a time when unity and factual accuracy are paramount.

I implore you to step back and honestly assess the repercussions of your actions. It's high time to abandon this narrow-minded view that only serves to alienate and misguide. I would strongly urge you to reconsider your stance, refrain from spreading such unfounded theories, and afford the hardworking individuals on the front lines the respect and trust they rightfully deserve.

Your blatant disregard for truth and responsible discourse is not just exasperating but actively harmful.

Your willingness to undermine the vast majority of credible, verified, and peer-reviewed data with baseless allegations and fear-mongering paints a picture of an individual more interested in stoking flames of division than seeking genuine understanding or truth.

I find myself both perplexed and deeply troubled by your continued propagation by your continued defense of a dead narrative.

Good luck with that. Keep on dreaming your pipe dream.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I'm simply responding to your desperate need to be heard - you've been beating this drum for a while. You will continue to, and I will continue to berate you for it.

You DEFINE confirmation bias and armchair quarterbacking.

I have countless hours in the game SAVING people's lives, people who overwhelmingly spouted the same shyte you are right now.

All you have ZERO firsthand knowledge and parrot the shyte Jones, Tenpenny, and the other imbeciles do.

Come work with me in negative pressure ISO rooms - you wouldn't last ONE shift. Broheem.

I find myself both perplexed and deeply troubled by your continued propagation by your continued defense of a dead narrative.

Good luck with that. Keep on dreaming your pipe dream.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

I'm simply responding to your desperate need to be heard - you've been beating this drum for a while. You will continue to, and I will continue to berate you for it.

You DEFINE confirmation bias and armchair quarterbacking.

I have countless hours in the game SAVING people's lives, people who overwhelmingly spouted the same shyte you are right now.

All you have ZERO firsthand knowledge and parrot the shyte Jones, Tenpenny and the rest of those imbeciles do.

Come work with me in negative pressure ISO rooms - you wouldn't last ONE shift. Broheem.

You're funny. Keep it coming. Do please entertain us all.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You're funny. Keep it coming. Do please entertain us all.

Like arguing with women, isn't it?

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Like arguing with women, isn't it?

Yep, pretty much. So I don't bother commenting on it.
There is more important things in life that using precious time arguing with strangers on a internet forum and wasting time. Got better and more important things to do.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yep, pretty much. So I don't bother commenting on it.

To be fair, it's mostly the authoritarian personality type at play here. Same result though.

What I find funny is how they insist on ignoring the tide - the migration is in one direction only, and it's not people going from the "conspiracy" side to the "narrative" side. The more their pool shrinks, the more loudly they will shriek.

@Pierce.Manhammer , strongly suggest moving out of the Bay Area. The hivemind is crazy strong there.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Maybe so?
Never thought much about it.
But you could be correct about it obviously. I dunno.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

You all stick to your 4chan and Rumble feeds; I'll stick to reading the Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine.

Science, it's AMAZING.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

The Covd-19 shot?
That is taking it way too far i think. Now we're really talking conspiracy theories if that is what you mean....

All the data I've posted here is backed up official data which can be vetted, proven and easily found if you want to find it. But that claim is just tinfoil theories which cannot be proven by any real offical published data from creditable sources.

Personally I don't take seriously MSM and CDC links. Not gonna get duped like that. But believe them if you like, we all gotta go our own way.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

The Covd-19 shot?
That is taking it way too far i think. Now we're really talking conspiracy theories if that is what you mean....

All the data I've posted here is backed up official data which can be vetted, proven and easily found if you want to find it. But that claim is just tinfoil theories which cannot be proven by any real offical published data from creditable sources.

It's fairly well known some people received unique bluetooth addresses after taking the vaccine.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

It's fairly well known some people received unique bluetooth addresses after taking the vaccine.

lulz
Never heard of it. That also sounds quite far reached.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

You all stick to your 4chan and Rumble feeds; I'll stick to reading the Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine.

Science, it's AMAZING.

Yeah trust science!!
You sound like every other sheep parroting the same old brain washed narrative.

On the other hand:
Science is admitted amazing indeed when it its right, correct and working.
Science is also admitting mistakes and move on. Science is also not to fully trust something, but to curious and seek for new ways.
Science is critical thinking and not just accept something/idea just because someone claims it is "science".
Science is to explore new ways and finding, vetting and prove on paper that it actually works.
Science is also to be open and publish real honest non bias research data and not trying to hide it when it goes wrong.

Both the Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine and other medical publications were not honest about the data that was released of the covid-19. They followed suit like everyone else in the mainstream.

So yes, please do keep reading that too and "trust science" blindly. It will go well for you.

Nice shaming tactics by the way with "4chan and Rumble" etc.. You're funny. Never used any link from 4chan. Never would. its a shyte site..

Well have fun. Don't bother reply, because I wont respond any further and waste time on this nonsense just because you are triggered.
I got more sensible and important things than wasting time on this.
But if you do anyway - well thanks for more entertainment for the forum.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Sigh.

The difference being that the NEJM and The Lancet publish corrections and retractions, which you happily use to support your whack-job conclusions when it suits you, discounting them at all other times.

So far the only sources you’ve quoted that I can find are from medical journal retractions and corrections.

Anyway it’s all good bro, do yer thang grasshopper.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

To be fair in this discussion, the idea of the vaccine causing heart inflammation is not founded upon the idea of the vaccine but rather the idea of Covid causing it, meaning even if the vaccine did cause it, a more mild fork of Covid has been seen to make the heart inflammation even worse.

Granted, as far as we know Covid isn't circulating as it was, due in large part to the vaccines which has in part reduced the amount of severe cases, however this isn't to say Covid couldn't mutate as it already has 3 times and come back even stronger.

Per the findings so far, the only people who are at a great risk from the vaccine are young men, which was likely who Covid was genetically engineered to target in the first place, all this really means though is that young men are at a higher risk of developing heart inflammation from Covid, the vaccine just being a much lesser version of Covid, but if it were to come back, even under these higher risks, young men should still be getting vaccinated.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

I remember watching this well-known and respected virologist (with extensive certifications and all) talk about this dilemma. His take was to simply look at the size molecules of such viruses. Meaning, analyze their "anatomy" and put it to the test.

His findings, SARS (especially COVID-19) "anatomy" was way too small for normal cloth/paper masks to make a difference. They tested similar-sized molecules, along with people with COVID-19 and other SARS viruses. When using a cloth/paper mask, either by a sneeze or cough, it took about 3 to 4 of these types of masks on top of one another to actually stop the molecules from going through the mask and into the environment.

A N95 and higher quality mask, that's a different story. Those are effective, not 100% but at least closer to it.

Conclusion: unless you are either wearing 3 to 4 regular masks on top of one another (and consistently keep them washed/cleaned) or an N95 or higher mask, the only thing you are being successful in when using regular masks is reducing your oxygen intake and breathing more of your own carbon monoxide and ultimately causing unnecessary stress to the body and brain.

Lastly, we really should stop talking about this. I don't think any amount of evidence either scientific or data will convince either side.

Most people that follow the narrative, simply see what they want to see and are allowed to see and remember that often the placebo effect is real. If you think something is effective, it will most likely be.

Move on.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706676593261785178

This never stops amusing me and will never get old lmfao.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

His findings, SARS (especially COVID-19) "anatomy" was way too small for normal cloth/paper masks to make a difference. They tested similar-sized molecules, along with people with COVID-19 and other SARS viruses. When using a cloth/paper mask, either by a sneeze or cough, it took about 3 to 4 of these types of masks on top of one another to actually stop the molecules from going through the mask and into the environment.

When I was hospitalised with Covid19 in the spring of 2020, I got a private room because I had to vape cannabis and the vapour would go straight through regular masks worn by other patients. Only medical staff with higher graded masks were allowed into my room, and only when I wasn't vaping or had vaped within the last 30 minutes.

At least it gave me time to write.