You have to move fast with women

[MtmVaott]

I do not think that it would be perceived like that, unless she was not attracted to you and she would “ yew… get away”

I think that on the contrary it would have showed modesty/generosity and self reflection + leadership

You realized that you f8cked up ( self reflection )

You did not tried to bullsh1t around ( modesty/generosity )

You tried to fix things on the spot without really caring if it makes you look bad or that you felt uncomfortable ( leadership )

Mhm good point. She would definitely respect you for doing it.
Oh and I actually did it exactly like I described it here, albeit on the phone right after a horrible date. She did receive it well, was understanding. However, I rejected her by accident later in the call so I can't provide further experience (no joke sadly haha).

 

[Bigpapa]

Mhm good point. She would definitely respect you for doing it.
Oh and I actually did it exactly like I described it here, albeit on the phone right after a horrible date. She did receive it well, was understanding. However, I rejected her by accident later in the call so I can't provide further experience (no joke sadly haha).

We all do stupid things from time to time, that is why it is very important the morale that you have after, and more importantly understand where you made the mistake and try to find a contingency plan for next it

Statistically, the more you play the game the higher the chances to go through some sh1t that does not make too much sense

 

[Learning Curve]

Typical weak behavior most guys have with women.

You went on two dates. No kiss. No escalation.

The women realized you are weak, and have no balls. She got turned off, and off she goes to f3uck some other dude that has the balls to lead.

I don't want to judge you as most guys have this anxiety. But you seem like a guy with zero planning ahead.

Who the hell goes with a woman to smoke a joint on a second date? It's like your best friend an you are inviting her to play video games.

The whole point is to go on a date in the night, have drinks in a nice place, build the vibe, and escalate for s3x.

You went with this chick with zero planing and pure instinct on what she might think or what you believe was the best course of action. Yet you failed to realize that action is and always will be the main source of attraction for women. She will not take the lead and kiss you. You have to do that. And you have to take her to bed. So she does not feel like a b1itch.

 

[Bigpapa]

Typical weak behavior most guys have with women.

You went on two dates. No kiss. No escalation.

The women realized you are weak, and have no balls. She got turned off, and off she goes to f3uck some other dude that has the balls to lead.

I don't want to judge you as most guys have this anxiety. But you seem like a guy with zero planning ahead.

Who the hell goes with a woman to smoke a joint on a second date? It's like your best friend an you are inviting her to play video games.

The whole point is to go on a date in the night, have drinks in a nice place, build the vibe, and escalate for s3x.

You went with this chick with zero planing and pure instinct on what she might think or what you believe was the best course of action. Yet you failed to realize that action is and always will be the main source of attraction for women. She will not take the lead and kiss you. You have to do that. And you have to take her to bed. So she does not feel like a b1itch.

Have you read the thread?

I had a solid plan that worked in the past a couple of times too out of a couple of times used, just that this time it did not work ( can happen )

I will assume that you are not the type of person that gets a thrill trying to slap other people so they feel good about themselves, as most of what you mentioned was already discussed quite in detail. I will just assume that you did not had the time to go through the thread properly

 

[Learning Curve]

Have you read the thread?

I had a solid plan that worked in the past a couple of times too out of a couple of times used, just that this time it did not work ( can happen )

I will assume that you are not the type of person that gets a thrill trying to slap other people so they feel good about themselves, as most of what you mentioned was already discussed quite in detail. I will just assume that you did not had the time to go through the thread properly

Point blank is what i said.

Was in your shoes, even if you tried something in the past or not. It does not really matter.

I have read your original post and a few comments is all that matters.

Trying to help, that's all if you post threads for opinions then let people help you. If not don't post threads for help.

 

[Bigpapa]

Point blank is what i said.

Was in your shoes, even if you tried something in the past or not. It does not really matter.

I have read your original post and a few comments is all that matters.

Trying to help, that's all if you post threads for opinions then let people help you. If not don't post threads for help.

You would have a point ( if you talk about radical honesty) if this would be something that is the norm, but it is not

you just take this opportunity to put someone down

Sometimes you start mental masturbating or the cards are dealt in a way that caught you by surprise and makes you freeze ( as it happened to me in the story ), and statistically it makes sense for things like this to happen

To everyone it happens from time to time something like this. If you tell me that you are so amazing that things like this do not happen to you, I would tell you on the spot that you are a liar ( because either you talk from theory instead of practice, either you just point blank lie about your experience )

What matters is to learn from them what you can learn, and ideally think about a contingency plan for the unexpected turn of events when they happen

And sometimes a bad experience is what you need to get a reality check, which is the mother of development

Like the Romans said, through adversity to the stars”

 

[Learning Curve]

You would have a point ( if you talk about radical honesty) if this would be something that is the norm, but it is not

you just take this opportunity to put someone down

Sometimes you start mental masturbating or the cards are dealt in a way that caught you by surprise and makes you freeze ( as it happened to me in the story ), and statistically it makes sense for things like this to happen

To everyone it happens from time to time something like this. If you tell me that you are so amazing that things like this do not happen to you, I would tell you on the spot that you are a liar ( because either you talk from theory instead of practice, either you just point blank lie about your experience )

What matters is to learn from them what you can learn, and ideally think about a contingency plan for the unexpected turn of events when they happen

And sometimes a bad experience is what you need to get a reality check, which is the mother of development

Like the Romans said, through adversity to the stars”

Again, I'm not trying to put anyone down.

I'm trying to help.

You are taking my advice and making it look like I'm trying to go against you which is not the case.

What matters is to learn yes, but what also matters is to understand that if you have something that is repetitively working and you have results you can spread opinions. Always when you share your thoughts make sure you can debate the other side as well as your side.

I never said weird things does not happen to me.

But if you follow a specific plan not like a robot but like a human being that wants to avoid his time being wasted and you understand that escalating for a kiss is to firstly filter her interest and to secondly build a rapport for the second date then you will make a move because in your brain you understand how female nature works.

I understand that your bad experience will give you a reality check. I had many and i got my reality checks. But once i get a reality check i never do the same mistake again.

Not sure if you are going through anything in your life or you have any personal issues if yes i respect that.

Other then that my advice for you is to have a plan, with women because in the world we live now all women are worst then they were 10 years ago. They all have plans, manipulation tactics and they play the game as much as we do.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yes, makes sense what you are saying and I agree

Quick question though, have you ever passed the 2 dates with not even a kiss and managed to see the girl the 3rd time? And if yes, it is something that happens often or it is more an against the odds thing?

In my case, with girls under 30, I never saw the girl the 3rd time without even kissing her previously. All of them all out of sudden from purring kittens become extremely cold or feisty and no matter what I do I can not talk normally with them anymore, unless I meet them accidentally in real life and flirt with them. And from there on at the next date in maximum 30 minutes are back at my place

Unlikely. I've never even managed to get past one without a kiss.

 

[Bigpapa]

Unlikely. I've never even managed to get past one without a kiss.

My theory is that if the girl likes you, she will not have any problem with you escalating fast

More or less if she declines you kissing her by the end of your first date, very likely she will decline you ever kissing her

Same thing with escalating towards sex. She might decline coming to your place at the your first date, but if she declines you on your 2nd or maximum 3rd, very likely she will never come to your place

That is why it is important to escalate fast, as whoever is receptive will be receptive and who is not very unlikely will ever be

Ofc, this depends on the culture of each society but even where things are more “traditional” it is mainly used as a tactic of manipulation ( “ I am not a wh0re” ) and has nothing to do with what she actually would do if society would have been more “liberal”

If we look at the romantic endeavors 100-200 years ago, you would see that people were talking quite bluntly about sex just that it never really materialized due to the harsh consequences that the lovers would be put by society ( a very religious one in tone )

 

[GoodMan32]

Typical weak behavior most guys have with women.

You went on two dates. No kiss. No escalation.

The women realized you are weak, and have no balls. She got turned off, and off she goes to f3uck some other dude that has the balls to lead.

I don't want to judge you as most guys have this anxiety. But you seem like a guy with zero planning ahead.

Who the hell goes with a woman to smoke a joint on a second date? It's like your best friend an you are inviting her to play video games.

The whole point is to go on a date in the night, have drinks in a nice place, build the vibe, and escalate for s3x.

You went with this chick with zero planing and pure instinct on what she might think or what you believe was the best course of action. Yet you failed to realize that action is and always will be the main source of attraction for women. She will not take the lead and kiss you. You have to do that. And you have to take her to bed. So she does not feel like a b1itch.

In defense of so-called weak guys, a lot of guys (especially my generation) have been conditioned to believe kissing a woman without her explicit verbal consent is sexual assault.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

In defense of so-called weak guys, a lot of guys (especially my generation) have been conditioned to believe kissing a woman without her explicit verbal consent is sexual assault.

Doesn't explain how you can go on a date without kissing the girl.

 

[BadBoy89]

The only thing a man cares about a woman is her being hot, under 30, 0 divorces, 0 kids, not fat, and not nagging. That’s it. There is nothing else he cares about. Nothing.

Her education, her money, her life experience, her strength, her knowledge; her fame, her connections, her relationship skills. All garbage.

Men only want the women’s estrogen, so to speak. That’s the only thing a man cannot get himself. Be hot, be young, don’t nag. You will get the highest value man ever.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

The only thing a man cares about a woman is her being hot, under 30, 0 divorces, 0 kids, not fat, and not nagging. That’s it. There is nothing else he cares about. Nothing.

Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

 

[GoodMan32]

Doesn't explain how you can go on a date without kissing the girl.

I had a date a few weekends ago (I have a thread about it).

I never kissed her (then again, I never asked). The woman never showed any cues of wanting to be kissed (at least not that I picked up on)

 

[The Duke]

Let me explain why you struggle @Bigpapa. You are failing to read the women properly. You are going along equipped with what YOU want, but seduction is about what SHE wants. That will vary from woman to woman; the expected timeline will also vary.

The fact that you are asking me for a formulaic, one size fits all answer indicates that you are tone deaf.

Accomplished seducers (including myself) understand how to pay close attention to the target and ascertain what it is the other person needs. Much of this is non verbal communication. It is also a value equation. The higher value the person you are dealing with the higher likelihood they EXPECT compliance with their agenda, whatever that is. For example I expect a man to invest and show interest whilst respecting my boundaries. However the value equation might dictate variance. For example I could tell with my now husband that he was used to easily obtaining sex, since he is quite attractive. Therefore I allowed him the sexual conquest relatively early on although he did demonstrate significant investment in me (time, money, thoughtfulness). I did not want him to perceive me as impossible to obtain, and I paid attention to what his timeline needed.

What’s funny is he’s quite proud of both his effort and his success in that regard. He’s quite cute over it. But had I not paid careful attention to his needs I would not have connected with him so strongly; he would not have felt so understood.

People fall in love with how they feel around you. How being in your presence makes them feel. If you learn how to make women feel good about being with you, they feel good ABOUT you.

Seduction 101 gentlemen.

I love it, grinning ear to ear. That's what it's all about. Separates the men from the boys.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I never kissed her (then again, I never asked). The woman never showed any cues of wanting to be kissed (at least not that I picked up on)

That's what I thought.