You have to move fast with women

[Dr.Suave]

Quick question though, have you ever passed the 2 dates with not even a kiss and managed to see the girl the 3rd time? And if yes, it is something that happens often or it is more an against the odds thing?

Yeah, all the time. Back when I was single, sometimes I waited until the 3rd date to go for the kiss (just for kicks), Never got rejected.

 

[Bingo-Player]

You will never see a girl like this with a very average guy, unless money is involved.

I don't know who these women are but I wouldn't be losing sleep over any of them

Given how competitive its gotten to be an attractive female in 2023 these are just 7's you will see every day of the week

They may not like it and I'm sure there's a whole host of men out there whom would cut their right arms off for them

But for me they aint doing much they just look like your bog standard 1-3K follower IG girl

Theres literally millions of them out there lol

and yes eventually they probably will end up with an average guy quite simply because there isn't enough top 10% men or enough men that can pay to play, or even enough men over 6ft

This is the problem with the way society is now structured everyone wants to have and be the best , but paradoxically its nigh on impossible for everyone to HAVE / BE the best , the ratios and odds just don't work out

As a result once the reality of this sets in people inevitably end up settling with whatever they can get or they remain alone

As millennials and GEN Z enter their 30's we will see more and more people starting to accept that actually they are not as special as instagram has led them to believe.

 

[Bigpapa]

Yeah, all the time. Back when I was single, sometimes I waited until the 3rd date to go for the kiss (just for kicks), Never got rejected.

When was this?

When I was in college like more than 10 years ago maybe for sure things like this would not have been the norm. Maybe there were better days, maybe dating inside the social circle is more permissive

So when you were single?

 

[Dr.Suave]

When was this?

When I was in college like more than 10 years ago maybe for sure things like this would not have been the norm. Maybe there were better days, maybe dating inside the social circle is more permissive

So when you were single?

Last time I was single was 2021. I was only single for about 6 months but it worked every time.

 

[Bigpapa]

As millennials and GEN Z enter their 30's we will see more and more people starting to accept that actually they are not as special as instagram has led them to believe.

The amount of people saying that they go to the therapist from these generations is crazy. Same with administration of anti depressive

I think that they will just end up single and on anti depressives

 

[Bigpapa]

Last time I was single was 2021. I was only single for about 6 months but it worked every time.

If you are not a troll then it is interesting what you said

Where do you live?

 

[Bingo-Player]

The amount of people saying that they go to the therapist from these generations is crazy. Same with administration of anti depressive

I think that they will just end up single and on anti depressives

Yes because a lot of people struggle to get their realities to align with their online personas

Its all fun and games racking up 150 - 200 likes on a selfie on instagram or Facebook , but then in real life your struggling to pay your rent , or struggling with debt , or you can't hold down a relationship with the opposite sex , you hate your job , your colleagues

All of a sudden all that matters is getting that next picture up to get them likes again as that makes you feel good

Especially if you are a woman ,you can put a picture up and a stranger will just tell you that you are the best thing thing since sliced bread

its a very very bizarre era of sociology it all feels very empty and fake

 

[Dr.Suave]

If you are not a troll then it is interesting what you said

Where do you live?

Not a troll, bro. I live in Mexico

 

[Bigpapa]

Not a troll, bro. I live in Mexico

Maybe is different there?

I grew up in an Easter European country and initially things were quite difficult. Even a kiss was a big thing, but as time passed I felt the change towards western values little by little, till now when I do not feel little to no difference between my country and the rest of western Europe

 

[GoodMan32]

It's a real catch 22.

Every woman is different. Some gals will be upset if you don't move fast enough.

Then on the other hand, there have been some gals I scared away because I moved too fast.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

 

[Bigpapa]

Yes because a lot of people struggle to get their realities to align with their online personas

Its all fun and games racking up 150 - 200 likes on a selfie on instagram or Facebook , but then in real life your struggling to pay your rent , or struggling with debt , or you can't hold down a relationship with the opposite sex , you hate your job , your colleagues

All of a sudden all that matters is getting that next picture up to get them likes again as that makes you feel good

Especially if you are a woman ,you can put a picture up and a stranger will just tell you that you are the best thing thing since sliced bread

its a very very bizarre era of sociology it all feels very empty and fake

Back in the days the voice of the people could not be heard, mainly because they were illiterate. The era of the internet, especially through social media, gave the opportunity for the mass to express itself. But the mass was always like this and poor.you have to be naive to think that things would have been different than they are now

Now the people are not technically illiterate but for sure they functionally illiterate. Same thing almost basically

How would you expect someone that has little to no intellect to behave?

 

[Bingo-Player]

If she is a 7 I wonder what a 10 would look like. To me, she is almost a 10. No you don't see girls like this everyday day of the week, especially if you live in the US (NY, LA, Miami maybe). She is Russian and even if there are TONS of hot girls in Russia, you dont see girls like the one I showed you that often. She has actually more than 300k followers (but we dont care about that).


@nastyavitsop on instagram
A 7? She is nothing less than a 10.

I have a list of 10s I can send you if you're interested.

I'm not interested , I find little value in obsessing over women I don't know and will probably never meet

For the purpose of this post I had a look at her page , she has the chest of a 14 year old boy and her teeth are massive

Despite having 300K followers her posts are stereotypical I.T girl posts

The poses the captions and the "look" are universally available across millions of female instagram profiles

I was speaking to a better looking version of her in a common music festival a few weeks ago

THERE IS NOTHNG SPECIAL ABOUT THIS WOMAN

Please for the love of god gentlemen accept that female beauty is as common as mud

 

[Bigpapa]

@nastyavitsop on instagram
A 7? She is nothing less than a 10.

I have a list of 10s I can send you if you're interested.

She is nice, I agree

But at the same time she also has a lot of filters + too skinny for my taste

I would not rate her as a 10. Somewhere between an 8 and 9 ( if the filters do not alter the reality too much ) . If the filters alter the reality too much then she is a 7 because indeed she has a nice face

Tall girls need to have a proper fitness regimen to build up a bit of muscles, otherwise she will either look too skinny either look too fat

Like @Bingo-Player said, she is nothing special when compared to other girls on instagram ( that have over 2-3k followers ). This I agree with

What @Bingo-Player kinda misses I think is that women follow trends in terms of everything . Even drinks. “ these days Negroni is in trend. Gin Tonic is soo 5 years ago “

Most of the things that they do is follow trends from clothes, where they go, what they eat, what they drink, what they read, what guys they find attractive, etc. Vary rarely you actually find a girl that is a critical thinker

 

[Bokanovsky]

Every girl is different, and rather than trying to adapt to her vibe just to get laid you should be qualifying her to see if she's what you want.

This is 100% correct. Some girls want you to move fast and get annoyed if you don’t. Others will call the cops if you move too fast. Pretty much all of them expect you to be able to read their minds. It’s just part of the “fun” of dealing with women.

 

[pipeman84]

@nastyavitsop on instagram
A 7? She is nothing less than a 10.

1. How a girl looks on IG (filters, camera angles, lighting etc) is not representative of how she looks in real life.
2. The fact she's on IG with the type of posting that she does almost guarantees she has some mental issues and she's not relationship material.
3. It's like looking at pictures of tigers, lions, panthers ... all beautiful animals but you wouldn't want to be near one in real life, would you?
4. I actually follow a girl who is on IG and who also does videos on YouTube about makeup, skincare etc and vlogs about her daily life (that's the part that I watch) and let me tell you, I don't envy her boyfriend at all. On the contrary. Firstly, as said above, in videos she's not as beautiful as on IG. But let's say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The problem is she has issues, moods, sees therapists on and off.

 

[Bigpapa]

1. How a girl looks on IG (filters, camera angles, lighting etc) is not representative of how she looks in real life.
2. The fact she's on IG with the type of posting that she does almost guarantees she has some mental issues and she's not relationship material.
3. It's like looking at pictures of tigers, lions, panthers ... all beautiful animals but you wouldn't want to be near one in real life, would you?
4. I actually follow a girl who is on IG and who also does videos on YouTube about makeup, skincare etc and vlogs about her daily life (that's the part that I watch) and let me tell you, I don't envy her boyfriend at all. On the contrary. Firstly, as said above, in videos she's not as beautiful as on IG. But let's say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The problem is she has issues, moods, sees therapists on and off.

Instagram can be a powerful weapon if used correctly by both men and women. Women are just better at this type of things than men

Basically through instagram you can get status

I remember a social experiment where a guy had a filter on the camera that was resembling the instagram live with hearts and viewers going up and stuff. And he was walking at a festival
Pretending to do a live and girls were like “ oh my gosh, who is he? So many viewers and likes. What”s his name”. And most girls smiling at him and stuff like that

Now, returning to the girl that @mikedee shared, I think that the idea that she has 300k followers makes her even more a catch. That is what status does,puts you on steroids

 

[pipeman84]

Instagram can be a powerful weapon if used correctly by both men and women.

100% agree. IG by itself is not the issue. That's why I specified:

The fact she's on IG with the type of posting that she does

 

[BeExcellent]

A girl who is wife material (automatically virgin or very low notch) will want to get to know the guy first, build an emotional connection, then ultimately make love. For such a girl, the sexual act is intrinsically linked to love, which any clinically sane woman knows can't develop over 3 dates. A clear marker for a hoe, be it professional (escort) or the OLD/nightclub variety is that they have disconnected the act of sex from love.

While they may be attracted to the same thing sexually, I don't think that man hoes and hubby material guys act the same ... and therefre they will attract/create totally different outcomes. For instance a man hoe goes by the sex within 3 dates or next mantra whereas a guy interested in finding a wife knows that approach will only get him a low quality woman.

This is the truth ^^^ right here. You cannot take the same approach to different girls, as women are indeed different. And things aren’t binary. It’s not “all women are either slvts or virgins”. There’s an in between too. I’d consider myself in between. I’ve had LTRs and marriages. Not ever a ONS my whole life. Virgin until 20 whilst in an 2 yr LTR. Always dated for desire but always screening for marriage. A few of the relationships were short lived because *I* bailed when I realized the guy wasn’t what I was looking for (the male model was a great example of this - he was a workaholic who I later found out was struggling to avoid foreclosure, but he was embarrassed to tell me that while we were dating...I dumped him as I didn’t know there was a very good reason he was working all the time.) NeXT relationship was my first husband…..

And after I got divorced (there was never cheating by either party in the marriage) I waited a year before I went on any dates to emotionally recover from the divorce….first guy I dated was a 1.5 year LTR/LDR.

That is not what a hoe does. A hoe uses herself and sex to try to extract a relationship from a guy unless she is truly a good time Sally, when she is so far gone she has given up on relationships and cycles through sexual partners like crazy.

Hoes have separated sex from love and disassociate the two. Marriage worthy women have not separated and disassociated the two. That’s not to say all sex with a marriage worthy woman is syrupy love making. You can enjoy the full range of sexual experiences within the marriage including lovemaking, fvcking, kink (if you are into that), oral, anal etc. And you do all that with your life partner & best friend. That’s a cool deal.

Hoes will get cuckoo if you try to wife one up because they are insecure and use sex as validation rather than expression of love. So you’ll get all the associated crazy that comes with serious damage.

Best to find a girl further away from hoe on the continuum.

My best guess for OP is that your actions and intent were not congruent. When this happens it gives off a weird vibe & that vibe will kibosh you. So I’m thinking the girl got weirded out. I don’t think your cool girl pal had enough information to properly assess the situation (or she may not understand game to that degree).

 

[Dr.Suave]

Looks like today I woke up in an alternate Universe where I kind of agree with @BeExcellent

 

[Bigpapa]

This is the truth ^^^ right here. You cannot take the same approach to different girls, as women are indeed different. And things aren’t binary. It’s not “all women are either slvts or virgins”. There’s an in between too. I’d consider myself in between. I’ve had LTRs and marriages. Not ever a ONS my whole life. Virgin until 20 whilst in an 2 yr LTR. Always dated for desire but always screening for marriage. A few of the relationships were short lived because *I* bailed when I realized the guy wasn’t what I was looking for (the male model was a great example of this - he was a workaholic who I later found out was struggling to avoid foreclosure, but he was embarrassed to tell me that while we were dating...I dumped him as I didn’t know there was a very good reason he was working all the time.) NeXT relationship was my first husband…..

And after I got divorced (there was never cheating by either party in the marriage) I waited a year before I went on any dates to emotionally recover from the divorce….first guy I dated was a 1.5 year LTR/LDR.

That is not what a hoe does. A hoe uses herself and sex to try to extract a relationship from a guy unless she is truly a good time Sally, when she is so far gone she has given up on relationships and cycles through sexual partners like crazy.

Hoes have separated sex from love and disassociate the two. Marriage worthy women have not separated and disassociated the two. That’s not to say all sex with a marriage worthy woman is syrupy love making. You can enjoy the full range of sexual experiences within the marriage including lovemaking, fvcking, kink (if you are into that), oral, anal etc. And you do all that with your life partner & best friend. That’s a cool deal.

Hoes will get cuckoo if you try to wife one up because they are insecure and use sex as validation rather than expression of love. So you’ll get all the associated crazy that comes with serious damage.

Best to find a girl further away from hoe on the continuum.

My best guess for OP is that your actions and intent were not congruent. When this happens it gives off a weird vibe & that vibe will kibosh you. So I’m thinking the girl got weirded out. I don’t think your cool girl pal had enough information to properly assess the situation (or she may not understand game to that degree).

So basically you are saying that you as a woman if the guy did not at least kiss you by the time the 2nd date ended, you would not think that he does not like you or think that he is weird for not at least tried to do it? Or something along these lines?

And if so, how many dates it will take you to reach that point? ( excluding that most likely other guys might invite you over to dates )

***Assuming you are American or Western European***