Getting T levels tested next week

[Hamurabimbi]

Same here, had my bloodwork done and while prolactine is on the lower side thankfully I have estrogens at 40 like you do which is within range but I believe given my far from optimal T levels (560) may be a problem...also shbg are on the higher range.

My biggest issue was vitamin D that was below the healthy range.

E is 23 now.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Jumping in here with my results.

Subjectively speaking I do not feel like I have high T at all.

My albumin, SHBG, and bioavailable T are not great. In my previous test, prolactin was high and E2 was just a bit above average.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Jumping in here with my results.

Subjectively speaking I do not feel like I have high T at all but I guess the #s don't lie. I did do the blood sample around 2pm so I don't know how much that skews things but these results are almost identical from my two tests from last year, one of which I took at 8am.

Either way, my albumin, SHBG, and bioavailable T are not great. I also know my prolactin levels are high. Maybe it all balances it out and maybe my low-t symptoms are indicative of something else. I did a full bloodwork panel as well and everything was optimal.

Your SHBG is high. Start taking liquid ionic boron to drop it. It's not allowing you to utilize your high T levels.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Your SHBG is high. Start taking liquid ionic boron to drop it. It's not allowing you to utilize your high T levels.

I take 12-24mg of boron per week. I even tried stinging nettle root. Maybe I could take more? The stuff is cheap at least.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Dr. Berg is not a doctor. He's a chiropractor.

He has a good appearance for his age. Better to be slim than fat but he talks too effeminate.

Most chiropractors I know are pretty jacked. I go see one once a month and it's helped me tremendously.

Also noticed something strange when I used to lift heavy weights...for a few days after I went to the Chiro I was able to lift heavier and in some cases easily set PRs if I was going for them that week whereas I had struggled to lift the same weight last time or sometimes even lighter weight.

I looked to see if this was all in my head but it turns out there was a study done that showed after Chiropractic treatment your body ends up being able to send signals down neurological pathways to your muscles more effectively and efficiently and it leads to greater strength output.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I take 12-24mg of boron per week. I even tried stinging nettle root. Maybe I could take more? The stuff is cheap at least.

Stinging nettle and zinc are also very good for this as is DIM. DIM can be a little expensive so you can help increase levels by eating more broccoli.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

just got tested 2 weeks ago. 670. Not terrible for a middle aged guy.

Not terrible?? These days that's good even for 18 year olds.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Clocked in at 595 total T.

You’re not hypogonadal and doing from near 600 to 800 isn’t going to do anything for you.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Clocked in at 595 total T.
the doc at the men’s clinic said he wouldn’t treat me since Im early 30s and my number is in normal range of the scale. I agreed to some extent.
I didn’t win the testosterone lottery. 800-1000 is where I want to be at tho.

I will get tested again next week just to get a baseline.
I haven’t worked out in 3 months. (Some lack of motivation)
Diet is homemade. I’m doing good on that.
drink only water and alot.
Sleep can be way better.
no real stressors in my life.
women are very rare in the moment and social life is ostracized and not where it once was.
I’m kind of rusting out touching grass reason I went to go get checked.

Any knowers of this know if I can bring that 595 up naturally?
some solid guidance would be appreciated take your shots

That's not bad. You should be able to increase this by at least 200 on your own, IMO.

Sleep is the one major overlooked factor that kills T levels. 7-8 hours a night is absolutely crucial as is creating a sleep routine and following it daily. They are equally important.

Sleep loss lowers testosterone in healthy young men - UChicago Medicine

www.uchicagomedicine.org

Refined sugar is a killer also...can drop circulating T levels by 25% almost immediately.

Does sugar lower testosterone?

Sugar's negative impact: health problems, weakness, aging, low motivation, fatigue. Surprisingly, sugar lowers testosterone levels. Beware the sweet tooth!

wearechief.com

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If you smoke, you should stop. Moderate levels of caffeine help increase T.

Does Smoking Lower Testosterone Levels - Great Green Wall

Smoking is one of those practices that can be detrimental to pivotal body functions, with experts naming the habit the leading cause of preventable health conditions in the world, but is testosterone decline or male hypogonadism one of those conditions? Let's find out below: Testosterone in a...

www.greatgreenwall.org

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Quality fat sources including both saturated fat and olive oil should be consumed regularly. Olive oil has shown in studies to supersaturate the Leydig cells in the Testes which allows for greater conversion into T.

Effect of argan and olive oil consumption on the hormonal profile of androgens among healthy adult Moroccan men - PubMed

This study aimed to assess the effect of virgin argan oil (VAO) and extra virgin olive oil (EVO) on the hormonal profile of androgens and anthropometric parameters among healthy adult Moroccan men during a controlled nutritional intervention. The study was carried out on 60 young and healthy...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Strength training 3-4x a week along with proper rest days to help the body recover and prevent cortisol overload. Walking will also help Lowe cortisol, especially if you can do so out in nature.

Here is a good article on other things you can do:

How to Naturally Increase Testosterone, According to Science

From exercise to nutrition, here are 11 Proven strategies to naturally increase Testosterone, enhance energy, increase libido, and more.

honehealth.com

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

E is 23 now.

How did u decrease it?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Quality fat sources including both saturated fat and olive oil should be consumed regularly.

I assume you mean unsaturated fat, since there is no good reason to be increasing saturated fat intake. Saturated fat intake should be as low as possible, preferably less than 10% of total calories.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I assume you mean unsaturated fat, since there is no good reason to be increasing saturated fat intake. Saturated fat intake should be as low as possible, preferably less than 10% of total calories.

Sure there is, that's what cholesterol is made from and cholesterol is required for making testosterone.

Your crusade against saturated fats has been shown to be false for at least 15 years now in study after study. Time to give it up...doctors are even starting to realize it now and they usually take forever.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Sure there is, that's what cholesterol is made from and cholesterol is required for making testosterone.

Your crusade against saturated fats has been shown to be false for at least 15 years now in study after study.

Nope. It is not advisable to substitute EFAs found in the polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats for saturated fat. Quite possibly the worst advice to be honest.

Saturated fat raises serum Apolipoprotein-B, which is the primary driver of atherosclerosis. Lipidologists are quite clear on this.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Nope. It is not advisable to substitute EFAs found in the polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats for saturated fat. Quite possibly the worst advice to be honest.

Saturated fat raises serum Apolipoprotein-B, which is the primary driver of atherosclerosis. Lipidologists are quite clear on this.

"In the last 15 years, several studies have challenged the long-held belief that saturated fats are inherently bad for health. Some studies suggest that saturated fats may not be as harmful as previously thought and can be included as part of a health-promoting diet
2
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A 2020 Cochrane review found that cutting down on saturated fat intake did not significantly reduce the risk of dying or getting cardiovascular disease
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A 2021 PubMed article discussed the controversies regarding saturated fat intake and cardiovascular health. The article highlighted that results from observational studies demonstrate that dietary patterns with lower average intakes of saturated fats are associated with favorable cardiovascular outcomes, but randomized controlled trials have shown mixed results
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A 2022 article in the journal "Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases" concluded that more than 20 review papers by independent teams of scientists have found that saturated fats have no effect on major cardiovascular outcomes, including heart attacks, strokes, or cardiovascular mortality, or total mortality
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A 2014 PubMed article argued that saturated fat can lead to increased LDL cholesterol levels, but the correlative nature of their association does not assign causation. The article also mentioned that numerous meta-analyses and systematic reviews have shown no association between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular disease"

You can either get with the times or get left behind.

 

[EyeBRollin]

There is no controversy. The consensus on the cause of CVD is clear.

Saturated Fat raises serum Apo-B, and it is believed to do so by hindering the body’s ability to clear lipoproteins out of the blood. Hence, it is detrimental to replace unsaturated fats with saturated fat.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

There is no controversy. The consensus on the cause of CVD is clear.

Saturated Fat raises serum Apo-B, and it is believed to do so by hindering the body’s ability to clear lipoproteins out of the blood. Hence, it is detrimental to replace unsaturated fats with saturated fat.

Unless you know the exact breakdown of the various types of Apo-B and LDL, that's mostly meaningless.

It would be like saying more people die because of driving so we shouldn't drive.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Unless you know the exact breakdown of the various types of Apo-B and LDL, that's mostly meaningless.

It is not. Apo-B in excess of physiological minimum crashes into artery walls, causing injury. Saturated fat harms the body’s natural clearance of these particles. The result is, more of them are circulating in the blood.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It is not. Apo-B in excess of physiological minimum crashes into artery walls, causing injury. Saturated fat harms the body’s natural clearance of these particles. The result is, more of them are circulating in the blood.

Once again,if the body operated in a vacuum that might be plausible. Unfortunately it doesn't.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Once again,if the body operated in a vacuum that might be plausible. Unfortunately it doesn't.

The associations have a 95% confidence interval. There are exceptions to every rule, but the general trend holds. The important thing is that unsaturated fats are either benign or positive wrt Apo-B, and saturated fats generally raise Apo-B. The essential fatty acids are unsaturated, so there is no logical reason to replace them with saturated fat.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The associations have a 95% confidence interval. There are exceptions to every rule, but the general trend holds. The important thing is that unsaturated fats are either benign or positive wrt Apo-B, and saturated fats generally raise Apo-B. The essential fatty acids are unsaturated, so there is no logical reason to replace them with saturated fat.

Interesting studies have shown that any negative effects from saturated fats can be erased by eating an avocado with it.

Also, there is this:

"Saturated fats found in butter and coconut oil (myristic acid and lauric acid) play key roles in immune health. Loss of sufficient saturated fatty acids in the white blood cells hampers their ability to recognize and destroy foreign invaders, such as viruses, bacteria, and fungi.

Human breast milk is quite rich in myristic and lauric acid, which have potent germ-killing ability. But the importance of the fats lives on beyond infancy; we need dietary replenishment of them throughout adulthood, middle age, and into seniority to keep the immune system vigilant against the development of cancerous cells as well as infectious invaders."

and this:

" Improved cardiovascular risk factors

Though you may not have heard of it on the front pages of your local newspaper, online news source, or local television or radio news program, saturated fat plays a couple of key roles in cardiovascular health. The addition of saturated fat to the diet reduces the levels of a substance called lipoprotein (a)—pronounced “lipoprotein little a” and abbreviated Lp(a)—that correlates strongly with risk for heart disease. Currently there are no medications to lower this substance and the only dietary means of lowering Lp(a) is eating saturated fat. Bet you didn’t hear that on the nightly news. Moreover, eating saturated (and other) fats also raises the level of HDL, the so-called good cholesterol. Lastly, research has shown that when women diet, those eating the greatest percentage of the total fat in their diets as saturated fat lose the most weight."

And this:

"Improved liver health

Adding saturated fat to the diet has been shown in medical research to encourage the liver cells to dump their fat content. Clearing fat from the liver is the critical first step to calling a halt to middle-body fat storage. Additionally, saturated fat has been shown to protect the liver from the toxic insults of alcohol and medications, including acetaminophen and other drugs commonly used for pain and arthritis, such as nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs or NSAIDs, and even to reverse the damage once it has occurred. Since the liver is the lynchpin of a healthy metabolism, anything that is good for the liver is good for getting rid of fat in the middle. Polyunsaturated vegetable fats do not offer this protection."

And this:

"Healthy brain

You will likely be astounded to learn that your brain is mainly made of fat and cholesterol. Though many people are now familiar with the importance of the highly unsaturated essential fatty acids found in cold-water fish (EPA and DHA) for normal brain and nerve function, the lion’s share of the fatty acids in the brain are actually saturated. A diet that skimps on healthy saturated fats robs your brain of the raw materials it needs to function optimally."

Nature rarely makes mistakes with it's creation of foods.

People thought they could outsmart it by removing fats from it like with skim milk or otherwise changing things but those usually don't work out very well...

Turns out the fats in milk are there to blunt the milk sugars from spiking insulin.