The thin line between becoming a better man and becoming a simp needing hard for pvssy

[ThisIsSparta]

It keeps amazing me how many hoops some guys here are willing to jump through just to get pvssy.

We know that women want the three 6´s (6ft tall, 6pack, 6figure income) or better alongside a list of other things.

It is what it takes to be in the top 1% or better of men, which gives you an opportunity to hit on 8+ women.


In general, most guys are quite easy to satisfy and not as much consumers as women.
Most of us would be happy sitting in a cabin in the woods, fishing/hunting/shooting/gaming/drinking/whatever all day long with our buddies if it weren’t for pvssy.

Be honest guys…. are you working that extra hours to impress women with a nice car/home/vacation/whatever?

Do you train and diet to get that 6pack really because you want to accomplish it or because it gives you a +1 with women?

Are you doing your 101st cold approach this month because you have fun or because you are in desperate need for pvssy?

When does a man stop becoming better and starts being a simp needing hard for pvssy?

I mean, we are talking about a finite resource, we are spending in pursuit of pvssy and that’s lifetime.

What do you do especially and only to get more/better women?

At what point do you guys say its enough, pvssy aint worth it?

How much of your lifetime are you investing in the procurement of pvssy?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

You don’t need 6 feet. 6 pack or 6 figures to get attractive girls.

 

[SW15]

Even a $100,000 income isn't all that impressive anymore. $150,000 minimum is the new $100,000. I've known guys in their 30s/early 40s making in the $115,000 - $135,000 range who get treated poorly by women.

There was a thread earlier this year about this....

Women Don't Want a Semi-Successful Man

Men in this category, $75k-$125k salary, relatively in shape, drive a good car, has a few hobbies, women do not want. Why? Because this man has standards. Women do not want to work for their men. Women of today want a simp or a millionaire. Simple as that. This is what society aka social media...

www.sosuave.net

A second helpful post from May 2023 about this....

Why the wall for men is much worse than the wall for females

One, I have never heard of a doctor or lawyer struggling for women even in the black pill communities. Second, I agree that most women do not need a guy that is pulling 200k and higher. However, if she has a choice between you or some Chad Lawyer or Professional Athlete; you are going to more...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Robert28]

You don’t need 6 feet. 6 pack or 6 figures to get attractive girls.

Doesn’t hurt though. Makes it a HELL of a lot easier too. Like, you have to do maybe half the work that other guys have to do.

 

[Billtx49]

A man’s need for the pvssy depends on if he can separate his innate biological imperative and pleasure needs from his long term future life plan …
Yes, it’s a thin mental dividing line.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Be honest guys…. are you working that extra hours to impress women with a nice car/home/vacation/whatever?

Do you train and diet to get that 6pack really because you want to accomplish it or because it gives you a +1 with women?

Are you doing your 101st cold approach this month because you have fun or because you are in desperate need for pvssy?

What do you do especially and only to get more/better women?

Hell no. I would work only a few minutes a day if I could get away with it. No way Im working extra hours unless Im literally starving to death.

I dont exercise and diet to pull women. I do it to keep them around once they bite.

I havent cold approached in years. Got better results on swipe apps if you can believe it.

Only thing I can think that I did "just to get more/better women" was reading SoSuave & other stuff. That´s it.

But you do raise some fair points. This could be a interesting discussion.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

You don’t need 6 feet. 6 pack or 6 figures to get attractive girls.

That doesnt mean anything. They will still be looking for these features and the best deal they can get.

Top 80% of women think they deserve the top 20% of men.... what do the top 5% of women think they deserve?

But my question wasnt if you can get attractive women to fvck you a couple of times, the question was how much do you go out of your way to get pvssy.

Most guys DO NOT have women lining up in front of their home out of the blue and without effort.

I dont exercise and diet to pull women. I do it to keep them around once they bite.

Thats wise...... because getting the girl is the easy part , keeping her while maintaining your frame is the hard part.


The question is how far does it go......

there was that other thread about this asian chick that lost attraction for the bro because he slacked with business and fitnes over some time.

When does a man stop? Is that chinese pvssy worth slaving away your life or will he quit being the plowhorse for a woman that drains his resources?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I love my job. So. it’s hard to compare.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That doesnt mean anything. They will still be looking for these features and the best deal they can get.

Top 80% of women think they deserve the top 20% of men.... what do the top 5% of women think they deserve?

But my question wasnt if you can get attractive women to fvck you a couple of times, the question was how much do you go out of your way to get pvssy.

Most guys DO NOT have women lining up in front of their home out of the blue and without effort.



Thats wise...... because getting the girl is the easy part , keeping her while maintaining your frame is the hard part.


The question is how far does it go......

there was that other thread about this asian chick that lost attraction for the bro because he slacked with business and fitnes over some time.

When does a man stop? Is that chinese pvssy worth slaving away your life or will he quit being the plowhorse for a woman that drains his resources?

The number of handsome, tall, jacked, rich, high status Chads is infinitesimally small. Ultimately everyone will eventually be mogged by someone. Women aren’t out looking around eager to jump ship. Don’t worry about it.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Funny, I don't do any of the things that are recommended to 'attract women'. Except not giving them attention.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Even a $100,000 income isn't all that impressive anymore. $150,000 minimum is the new $100,000. I've known guys in their 30s/early 40s making in the $115,000 - $135,000 range who get treated poorly by women.

In all fairness the purchasing power of 100k is significantly less than it was 20 years ago. 20 years ago, 100k used to basically mean "you've made it, you're rich" but now, while respectable, it's sincerely not that much, but if you live frugally it is certainly more than enough for frequent travel which is really all women care about.

On another note I cannot fathom why guys would get treated poorly by women for that kind of money. Why do the women even know that? I never tell women a damn thing about my finances.

 

[SW15]

On another note I cannot fathom why guys would get treated poorly by women for that kind of money. Why do the women even know that? I never tell women a damn thing about my finances.

I'm not sure they know the exact salary but I can think of examples of white collar men in the low $100,000s salary range that get treated like dirt by women they meet off of the swipe apps. The entitlement these women feel is amazing.

In all fairness the purchasing power of 100k is significantly less than it was 20 years ago. 20 years ago, 100k used to basically mean "you've made it, you're rich" but now, while respectable, it's sincerely not that much, but if you live frugally it is certainly more than enough for frequent travel which is really all women care about.

A $100,000 salary today is respectable in most metro areas. In my home city, it can get you a decent lifestyle as a bachelor but it won't be extravagant.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi ThisIsSparta,
Can't you Guys see the real problem is one of Demographics,You encourage millions of young Men to migrate to your Country,what do you expect?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Where did you get these numbers from?

According to a study entitled Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study, “the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men.”

 

[manfrombelow]

I believe the discussion about the difference between seducing women and simping over women has long been concluded.

And I don't see any relevance between becoming a better man vs becoming a simp over pvssies.

The fvck are you talking about, OP?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

According to a study entitled Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study, “the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men.”

InB4 a certain poster ‘It’s over for 80%Cels.’

 

[The Duke]

It keeps amazing me how many hoops some guys here are willing to jump through just to get pvssy.

We know that women want the three 6´s (6ft tall, 6pack, 6figure income) or better alongside a list of other things.

It is what it takes to be in the top 1% or better of men, which gives you an opportunity to hit on 8+ women.


In general, most guys are quite easy to satisfy and not as much consumers as women.
Most of us would be happy sitting in a cabin in the woods, fishing/hunting/shooting/gaming/drinking/whatever all day long with our buddies if it weren’t for pvssy.

Be honest guys…. are you working that extra hours to impress women with a nice car/home/vacation/whatever?

Do you train and diet to get that 6pack really because you want to accomplish it or because it gives you a +1 with women?

Are you doing your 101st cold approach this month because you have fun or because you are in desperate need for pvssy?

When does a man stop becoming better and starts being a simp needing hard for pvssy?

I mean, we are talking about a finite resource, we are spending in pursuit of pvssy and that’s lifetime.

What do you do especially and only to get more/better women?

At what point do you guys say its enough, pvssy aint worth it?

How much of your lifetime are you investing in the procurement of pvssy?

You make valid points. I think everyone needs to remain balanced and stay true to your core. No matter what I do, hunting some animal or hunting women, I want to be as successful as possible so I do what it takes to get what I want. At the end of the day it's always been about me. Whatever it takes, within reason.

 

[Learning Curve]

This is an interesting topic.

My core beliefs are the following:

I'm the best version of my self for my self and only.

Gym, good money, all the good stuff. I don't care if it attracts women or not. It's a side-effect and it does attract women anyway.

I love women but at the same time, I keep a balance of what I am and what I want to achieve. It has never been done for women and it will never be.

A man should have a good life. This is the ultimate goal everyone should go for it. Hell, why no?

The moment you start doing it for external factors and not for your self is when you start to become insecure.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Are we sure all of our goals are entirely "for ourselves"? I don't buy it. While there may be some specific things people do for themselves (such as taking care of their health), I think by default, almost everything people do is ultimately driven by an ulterior motive for social approval/interest from the opposite sex, even if it's entirely unconscious.

If women (and society in general) didn't care about these things, a lot of men would live in a cardboard box, drive an old shvtmobile, and wear rags.

Ask yourself, if you suddenly became invisible/intangible and couldn't directly interact with anyone for the rest of your life, would you care about most of these things? We are social creatures and hardwired to want a mate and this influences almost everything we do in life.

 

[Gamisch]

I am happy with threads like this.

We must encourage one another to find a place of peace during these wild times when it comes to women, love, dating and sex. I get that this isn't necessarily to keep you away from the chase or whatever, but rather to encourage you to find inner peace.

Luckily you provided an solution in the OP; be the best you can be. Aim high.

Because lets face it: at some point ,indeed, approach nr 101 and failed date nr 101 will chip away from your self esteem. Not only that. The time and cash you spend on getting nothing is time and cash you'll never get back. At some point you have to be realistic about it and face the facts. If you spend 30 weeks a year in a club to rake home one woman, then you are being inefficient AF. If you have to pay 250 bucks a month for premium subscriptions to go on 5 dates (where you get: hardly ever sex or more than one ONS)a year, you're inefficient.

At some point you gotta look jn the mirror and ask yourself: am I actually being effective in my effort to get (as many) women as possible? Or am I chasing a dragon while wasting time and money (perhaps self inflicting damage thus ironically enough killing my actual chances?)

The art is to combine it all somehow: to both become as " 6-ish" as possible AND contain but yet maintain your desire for women.You have to find a place where you can:

- become the best version of yourself
- enjoy the environment where there are also women so its not JUST about women
- learn game so IF you attract a woman you can keep her

I love my job. So. it’s hard to compare.

This is an important one: make sure you LOVE your job. So you can (again)combine it all: make money to live a better life and simultaneously attract women due to having more to offer.

I actually go to the gym because I fvcking like it, I wanna get better jobs cause that's a challenge for me, I dance cause I fvcking like it, I'm very social cause I like talking to people, tease them, have a good laugh, talk about common interests.

I won't deny that it helped me attract more women and keeping them around, which is one tbe feedbacks that a man is doing good for him

And this. Same as my previous point: combine it.

Might as well add that being fit = better performance at the job, faster recovery, challenging yourself ect.

Oh ,and you might attract more women.

So we already covered two sixes ,we can enjoy doing these activities/obligations AND we can feed our lust for women.