Cheap drones changing warfare forever

[BackInTheGame78]

These cheap drones that are proving very effective for both sides in the Ukraine/Russian War are going to change warfare forever.

You have something that is very cheap to manufacture and is also very effective at taking out targets that might be 50+x more expensive.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/05/europe/ukraine-sea-drone-attacks-intl/index.html

 

[MatureDJ]

This is a good thing because it helps out the defenders a lot more than the attackers. Also, NATO-quality defense can defend against it.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Of course this is all redundant if the US gov't decides to unleash whatever they've been working on in Area 51

 

[JizzLord]

Of course this is all redundant if the US gov't decides to unleash whatever they've been working on in Area 51

My money is on drones - just way, way more advanced ones.

 

[The Duke]

I wonder if the civilian casualties will increase the more drone warfare takes place? Drone against drone is like pissing money away. Doesn't prove much. Drone attacks on civilian and industrial/infrastructure targets sure does.

 

[sevbucmash]

This is a good thing because it helps out the defenders a lot more than the attackers. Also, NATO-quality defense can defend against it.

Bro, NATO-quality got mauled. Out of men, out of ammunition.

There are two types of lancets, big one and small one, difference is distance and warhead. Plus there are FPV thingies, they can take out individual soldiers, or a group of soldiers, there are different once, those can kamikadzi and those than drop things. They are made on 3D printers.

Thing that is not said in this thread, or not even thought about, is that the technology is changing. Drones at the begging of operation and drones now is two different things. Now AI is beginning to be used and swarm attacks. You launch them, they are able to recognize targets and kill. This means you can't use anti-drone rifles any more, because there is no control communication happening over radio, the thing is fully autonomous.

Does it change the battle field? Yes. The NATO pmc's are attacking without machinery, in small groups of infantry, machinery is lost, and whatever is left or fixed gets destroyed. It's about -200 per day for them bastards, not counting rocket attacks deep inside on military targets. If you do the math, what Russia can produce, and what U.S. can provide, the ending is clear as day.

Why Russia is not advancing? I said it before I say it again, we are waiting for Poland to enter. We are going to strategically defeat NATO as a whole, there is going to be new world order. Dollar is gonna be dumped by many, it no longer will be reserve currency -- you have too much debt. The new economics are going to be based on multi nationalism, Asia, Africa, South America. What you see now is not a war, it's special military operation it has a limited scope of destruction. Poland on relax thinking they can handle it.

It's a trap.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

These cheap drones that are proving very effective for both sides in the Ukraine/Russian War are going to change warfare forever.

You have something that is very cheap to manufacture and is also very effective at taking out targets that might be 50+x more expensive.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/05/europe/ukraine-sea-drone-attacks-intl/index.html

It´s not coming, it is already here.
People just don't seem to fathom how far this sector has come.
A.I. and robotics is way more ahead than people think it is.

 

[MatureDJ]

Bro, NATO-quality got mauled. Out of men, out of ammunition.

There are two types of lancets, big one and small one, difference is distance and warhead. Plus there are FPV thingies, they can take out individual soldiers, or a group of soldiers, there are different once, those can kamikadzi and those than drop things. They are made on 3D printers.

Thing that is not said in this thread, or not even thought about, is that the technology is changing. Drones at the begging of operation and drones now is two different things. Now AI is beginning to be used and swarm attacks. You launch them, they are able to recognize targets and kill. This means you can't use anti-drone rifles any more, because there is no control communication happening over radio, the thing is fully autonomous.

Does it change the battle field? Yes. The NATO pmc's are attacking without machinery, in small groups of infantry, machinery is lost, and whatever is left or fixed gets destroyed. It's about -200 per day for them bastards, not counting rocket attacks deep inside on military targets. If you do the math, what Russia can produce, and what U.S. can provide, the ending is clear as day.

Why Russia is not advancing? I said it before I say it again, we are waiting for Poland to enter. We are going to strategically defeat NATO as a whole, there is going to be new world order. Dollar is gonna be dumped by many, it no longer will be reserve currency -- you have too much debt. The new economics are going to be based on multi nationalism, Asia, Africa, South America. What you see now is not a war, it's special military operation it has a limited scope of destruction. Poland on relax thinking they can handle it.

It's a trap.

Moderators, please remove this Russian Troll, operating out of a building near the Begovaya Metro station in St. Pete - even though there are a lot of hot women there (and lots fewer men).

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Moderators, please remove this Russian Troll, operating out of a building near the Begovaya Metro station in St. Pete - even though there are a lot of hot women there (and lots fewer men).

To be honest mate, we still have freedom of speech. I personally strongly believe that is the very one thing that is one of the strong ground pillars to our freedom, democracy etc. in the western countries and if we remove that then we have nothing, but the opposite which will lead to e.g. authoritarian rule, dictatorship etc. History proves to us that this is true every time.

Just because we might don't like what this dude said and we do not might agree and you can chose to ignore that person..
One can agree to disagree in other words.
Removing anyone because of different opinions doesn't justify ,banning, deleting censoring someone.

I'm not defending anyone, but I do think freedom of speech is extremely important and should be protected.

 

[MatureDJ]

To be honest mate, we still have freedom of speech. I personally strongly believe that is the very one thing that is one of the strong ground pillars to our freedom, democracy etc. in the western countries and if we remove that then we have nothing, but the opposite which will lead to e.g. authoritarian rule, dictatorship etc. History proves to us that this is true every time.

Just because we might don't like what this dude said and we do not might agree and you can chose to ignore that person..
One can agree to disagree in other words.
Removing anyone because of different opinions doesn't justify ,banning, deleting censoring someone.

I'm not defending anyone, but I do think freedom of speech is extremely important and should be protected.

It's veering WAY OFF into political matters, which is STRICTLY VERBOTEN here. Heck, I can't even post completely non-political aspects of a person that happens to also be a politician, so someone posting about how Russian Civilization is going to defeat Western Civilization should not as well.

In any case, it's a well-known fact that these Russian trolls (i.e., generally college students paid by the regime to sow discord on internet forums, no matter what the content matter) get around everywhere on the internet, and act as sleeper agents to pounce in whenever a discussion gets within earshot of their agenda. I've seen them everywhere.

Oh, and this one makes grammatical mistakes that Russians make - and I know what mistakes they make as I have traveled extensively (as a GeoMaxxer) in Eastern Europe.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The assumption of air superiority is a thing of the past

Russia and Ukraine are fighting the kind of drone war the US military has been worrying about, and it's scrambling to prepare for a future that's already here

In the decades after World War II, US troops rarely had to worry about enemy aircraft. Recent wars have shown that they no longer have that luxury.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The assumption of air superiority is a thing of the past

Russia and Ukraine are fighting the kind of drone war the US military has been worrying about, and it's scrambling to prepare for a future that's already here

In the decades after World War II, US troops rarely had to worry about enemy aircraft. Recent wars have shown that they no longer have that luxury.

www.businessinsider.com

Imagine the feeling when drones costing a few hundred thousand or even less are taking out equipment that cost $50-100+ million to make.

Has to be sickening.

 

[soulforge]

Bro, NATO-quality got mauled. Out of men, out of ammunition.

There are two types of lancets, big one and small one, difference is distance and warhead. Plus there are FPV thingies, they can take out individual soldiers, or a group of soldiers, there are different once, those can kamikadzi and those than drop things. They are made on 3D printers.

Thing that is not said in this thread, or not even thought about, is that the technology is changing. Drones at the begging of operation and drones now is two different things. Now AI is beginning to be used and swarm attacks. You launch them, they are able to recognize targets and kill. This means you can't use anti-drone rifles any more, because there is no control communication happening over radio, the thing is fully autonomous.

Does it change the battle field? Yes. The NATO pmc's are attacking without machinery, in small groups of infantry, machinery is lost, and whatever is left or fixed gets destroyed. It's about -200 per day for them bastards, not counting rocket attacks deep inside on military targets. If you do the math, what Russia can produce, and what U.S. can provide, the ending is clear as day.

Why Russia is not advancing? I said it before I say it again, we are waiting for Poland to enter. We are going to strategically defeat NATO as a whole, there is going to be new world order. Dollar is gonna be dumped by many, it no longer will be reserve currency -- you have too much debt. The new economics are going to be based on multi nationalism, Asia, Africa, South America. What you see now is not a war, it's special military operation it has a limited scope of destruction. Poland on relax thinking they can handle it.

It's a trap.

This is FACTS... The NATO countries are literally being demilitarised, the weopons they are sending in, are burning daily.

Western powers do not have the manufacturing base to keep producing artillery at a rate that Russia can.

 

[soulforge]

It's veering WAY OFF into political matters, which is STRICTLY VERBOTEN here. Heck, I can't even post completely non-political aspects of a person that happens to also be a politician, so someone posting about how Russian Civilization is going to defeat Western Civilization should not as well.

In any case, it's a well-known fact that these Russian trolls (i.e., generally college students paid by the regime to sow discord on internet forums, no matter what the content matter) get around everywhere on the internet, and act as sleeper agents to pounce in whenever a discussion gets within earshot of their agenda. I've seen them everywhere.

Oh, and this one makes grammatical mistakes that Russians make - and I know what mistakes they make as I have traveled extensively (as a GeoMaxxer) in Eastern Europe.

I'm no Russian troll.. You have seen me posting on here for many years.

To assume that anyone that disagrees with your view or sees things differently than you, is automatically a Russian troll is highly unintelligent of you. It's simply a way for you to deny the reality of the world right now, and dismiss reality.

"Oh don't listen to him/her speaking the truth" they are simply a 17 year old troll.


Facts don't lie my freind. History does not lie.. Empires have fallen through all of human history... What makes you think that the West is immune to collapse? History has proven time and time again otherwise.

The Global East is abandoning the dollar.. They want to jump ship and Join BRICS.

They control the vast majority of the earths natural resources, and they have all the Energy/Gas they will ever need to develop their countries.

Nobody trusts the Western Financial system anymore after they have seen what the West tried to do to Russia and Failed.

This is exactly why they are scrambling to get away from Western financial institutes and the dollar.

These countries are also able to military defend themselves. Those days of the US invading any and every country at the drop of a hat are over.

Dude People in the West are so lost, that they don't even know what gender they are..

The global East including Africa is looking at all this madness and making it be known that they do not want anything to do with this decadence.

 

[soulforge]

To be honest mate, we still have freedom of speech. I personally strongly believe that is the very one thing that is one of the strong ground pillars to our freedom, democracy etc. in the western countries and if we remove that then we have nothing, but the opposite which will lead to e.g. authoritarian rule, dictatorship etc. History proves to us that this is true every time.

Just because we might don't like what this dude said and we do not might agree and you can chose to ignore that person..
One can agree to disagree in other words.
Removing anyone because of different opinions doesn't justify ,banning, deleting censoring someone.

I'm not defending anyone, but I do think freedom of speech is extremely important and should be protected.

Do you honestly think you have freedom of speech in the West. Honestly?

Have you not seen the amount of people that have Been silenced, deplatformed, canceled, even jailed for saying the wrong thing in the West.

That freedom of speech you are talking about, is soon to become a thing of the past.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Do you honestly think you have freedom of speech in the West. Honestly?

Not like we used to...
Its sadly fading way because there is powers that have interests in restricting our freedom. But that is also why it is important that we fight for what we still have left of freedom of speech and protect it.

Because without it we´re lost and will end in authoritarian states which is very danagerous.

Its so sad to see this is happening. Our forefathers have fought for our liberty for more than a thousand years starting with Carta Magna in 1215 AD https://www.britannica.com/topic/Magna-Carta were we he people gained our first written rights to liberty from the English king.

Then after many years of wars throughout the centuries to gain more freedom rights to the people; we had the latest fight in 1939-1945 which was in WW2 where millions of good people died protecting our freedom.

It is both extremely sad and crazy how easily people are giving away our hard earned freedoms just for some personal false security. Often also with the excuse "I have nothing to hide, so I don't care". I love to see how much they do not have to hide if we added microphones and cams to their restroom while they are taking a huge dump...


People should be ashamed of themselves for selling their freedoms so easily when we have guys like this old World War 2 veteran crying when he is realizing that everything he fought for has been thrown out of the window:

Just fvcking heart breaking to hear this guy crying because people thrown away all the liberty rights for nothing which he tried to protect with his brothers in arms for us by fighting the war.

It is really deeply concerning and scary with the current state we are in. Covid Plandemic also showed us how dangerously we have moved away from of our core values of that every individual is a free inviduduals with his/her own rights to freedom; freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom to decide how to live your own life, freedom to have the right to your own privacy etc.

Our liberty rights in the western societies are the very core pillars of democracy; without them we will be on our way to dictatorship and authoritarian leadership. Like the quote below says:

Scary enough, that is basically at the we point we are now.
Governments pushing for even more control, censorship, removal of freedom of speech etc. It is deeply serious and will have deep consequences if we do not all do something to stop them and fight against it.