Let's Be Real Here Pt.2 - WOMEN are the prize

[AureliusMaximus]

So let me ask you this. Do women Google who are men that have their own business and careers? And then obtain their address?

And then park in front of their house, waiting for them to come outside in the morning to work, or come home from work?

So, keep living your delusion.

Most women spend their time doodling over their phones, responding to their network of people that are already in their network.

I could be the CEO of my own little garage-business and women won't know that.

 

[NealIRC]

When I worked at a Fortune 10, all the cute bunnies were in Finance and HR for the most part at HQ.

They were KNOWN to have access to the Finance DB - and known to search men's marital status and salaries and target them specifically for relationships. Fact. They were mostly finapp analysts, Fillipinas, Assorted Asians, and Eastern Euros that were on a mission - and dressed to the 9's.

Given the skill to do it? Damn right, most women would broheem. The issue is that most women nowadays don't have the skill or even know this is possible; they, however, do know Instagram, Snapchat, and Siri, you know, fundamental skills...

Finance DB? Wth is that?

Unfortunately, the only public salary are government employees. I had a landlord who was #3 in the water department. I found his salary, along with all city employees, including the mayor, and police chief, in it. But pretty much all companies in the world to not disclose their salaries, except for the bottom-down min-wage workers.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

DB stands for database:

A relational database is a type of database that uses a structure that allows users to identify and access data about other pieces of data in the database. It is based on the relational model, which is an intuitive, straightforward way of representing data in tables.

Examples of relational database management systems (RDBMS) include MySQL, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL Server, Oracle, and many others. They are widely used in various applications ranging from small projects to large enterprise systems for storing, organizing, and retrieving data.

It is used in business to store and rapidly retrieve large amounts of information, almost all tech you use on a daily basis is dependent on DBs. In this case, it was an internal company DB that only certain individuals in Finance and Human Resources has access to and the used it to access solar information on the down low.

You're out of your depth discussing this stuff with me grasshopper.

Finance DB? Wth is that?

Unfortunately, the only public salary are government employees. I had a landlord who was #3 in the water department. I found his salary, along with all city employees, including the mayor, and police chief, in it. But pretty much all companies in the world to not disclose their salaries, except for the bottom-down min-wage workers.

 

[NealIRC]

DB stands for database:

A relational database is a type of database that uses a structure that allows users to identify and access data about other pieces of data in the database. It is based on the relational model, which is an intuitive, straightforward way of representing data in tables.

Examples of relational database management systems (RDBMS) include MySQL, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL Server, Oracle, and many others. They are widely used in various applications ranging from small projects to large enterprise systems for storing, organizing, and retrieving data.

It is used in business to store and rapidly retrieve large amounts of information, almost all tech you use on a daily basis is dependent on DBs. In this case, it was an internal company DB that only certain individuals in Finance and Human Resources has access to and the used it to access solar information on the down low.

You're out of your depth discussing this stuff with me grasshopper.

I was just excluding the possibility you meant there was a public db out there. Which I know there isn't. But yes, women do kiss within the same-company. They wouldn't be able to obtain info about employees from other companies.

If you said company-DB I would have understood.

 

[HaleyBaron]

On the contrary, this video shows that those men actually chose to dumpster dive, and a decent portion of them were dead serious about it. I presume they did this because getting even an average looking gal would be nearly impossible.

Most of the time, it's because men are afraid of going after women they think are above their league. A lot of them will succeed if they tried.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I was just excluding the possibility you meant there was a public db out there. Which I know there isn't. But yes, women do kiss within the same-company. They wouldn't be able to obtain info about employees from other companies.

If you said company-DB I would have understood.

As mentioned gubernamental salaries are browsable as well as not for profits like many large hospital systems, etc.

 

[NealIRC]

As mentioned gubernamental salaries are browsable as well as not for profits like many large hospital systems, etc.

Okay, perhaps someone can start a new thread on this, does anyone have any stories where these women are trying to track down these big-time employees?

Obviously, such a db wouldn't include addresses, so I would expect women to be parked cars outside the facilities during rush hour...

 

[Smooth_texter]

So let me ask you this. Do women Google who are men that have their own business and careers? And then obtain their address?

And then park in front of their house, waiting for them to come outside in the morning to work, or come home from work?

So, keep living your delusion.

Most women spend their time doodling over their phones, responding to their network of people that are already in their network.

I could be the CEO of my own little garage-business and women won't know that.

Yes, I have found that almost every woman of up to and including 45 y.o. is almost 24 hrs on her phone. Especially the female players.

They already have a bigger than they can work with database from there (fb, Instagram, OLD), and usually go trough it, before meeting new potential suitors.

 

[Smooth_texter]

This is hot garbage.
Figure out a way to ignore her beauty and as in another post. "Her I love you's"

The 3% man can interact with her and not succumb to her manipulations by her beauty and body.
Its part of tge game.

Hi mate.

There is a misunderstanding of the premise of the thread. Without doubt, every man should always self improve.

My point is that for most modern and phone-addicted women, no man (even their best choice out of hundreds) is the prize. Since she can always get a new, better one from her social media and OLD backlog.

What is the solution to this? A step in the right direction is to find a woman who keeps said usage to a minimum (there are some here and there, but still very hard to find).

 

[MatureDJ]

That’s why I said “many other countries” in EE, as opposed to all countries. But you are right, things are changing there for the worse as they get westernized.

I heard you're getting divorced.

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[The Duke]

5 pages into all this, and all I worry about is if she wants to go out or not. It's all relative anyways.

 

[Pandora]

Hi guys.


One of the things that I never understood and baffled me in the red pill is that you (the man) are the prize. And the women should compete for you. That might be true if you are a tall multi-millionaire, but for the ordinary guy, or even the above average guy this is not the case.

How do I know this? I am slightly above average height, 2-3x the national median income for my country, ok physique. Good to have, but those things aren't exactly conversation starters and cannot get the girls.

I have seen many threads about guys that embraced self improvement, and their disappointment that it did not get them a small tribe of women to compete for them. Self improvement is great, but you should do it for yourself.

In this post I have outlined a simple logic that the average female in her 30/40s+ can literally pick from the 1% of interested in her males. So sitting on your arse after watching a few red pill podcasts and thinking "I am the prize" won't help. You have two options - either become a 99%+ male or pick a female for which you are the 99% percenter.

What country are you in? It must be a Western nation. In the rest of the world women are struggling. Women need men to survive economically everywhere. In the USA this is just maked over because of govt benefits but that time is coming to an end.

I got a friend who does not make money right now but is killing it in Columbia. I myself am an average guy but I do well over seas. Masculine men are a shortage WORLDWIDE. Men are definitely the prize 1000%.

Again, men in the West are under intense Stockholm syndrome.

 

[Pandora]

And yet, you go to Russia, Ukraine, many other countries in Eastern Europe and just about everywhere in the third world and all you need to attract women is to have functioning d!ck, not be unemployed and not be a hardcore alcoholic. The same was true in the West until the 1960’s.

The reason why women are the “prize” in western and westernized countries is because men have created social rules that benefit women at the expense of men. If you build a society where women get protection and financial security without having to give anything in return, don’t be surprised that your worth is nothing.

Bingo. I wish I had read this before I replied. I would not have needed to reply. Yes 10000%

 

[Pandora]

Mate, I am from and live in Eastern Europe (in a country on the Balkans). It does not work that way.

Entertainment, media and social media have unified almost all behaviour worldwide.

I agree on the part regarding pre- and after 60s western world.

Bro please dont take this the wrong way, I dont believe you. If this is true then you are maybe not at your peak fitness or maybe lacking in the looks dept. Maybe you are not as socially calibrated as you think?

I am not trying to insult you at all. I have a Russian friend who lives in the USA most of the year. When he travels back to Russia he KILLS it. He is average in the USA. I myself have done well with slavic girls. I dont believe that you are a quality man and still cant get girls in Eastern Europe. I could be wrong though brother.

 

[Bigpapa]

Hi mate.

There is a misunderstanding of the premise of the thread. Without doubt, every man should always self improve.

My point is that for most modern and phone-addicted women, no man (even their best choice out of hundreds) is the prize. Since she can always get a new, better one from her social media and OLD backlog.

What is the solution to this? A step in the right direction is to find a woman who keeps said usage to a minimum (there are some here and there, but still very hard to find).

Depends how you look at things

I am for example 33, ended up in a date with a 34 year old woman ( set by mutual friends, as they thought that we will match )

At 34 she is a 7, 10 years prior she was a 10. Really beautiful girl in her prime

Now, she pushed topics with children and stuff like that from the first date and was telling me a cringe story about freezing her eggs as she does not feel that she can secure a solid enough guy but still wants a child or more

When I saw her frame that was pushing I told her nicely that I am not interested in these type of arrangements as she will push for children and stuff like that extremely soon ( couple of months at best ) . She was disappointed but understood

Really cool girl overall

In terms of who is the prize it depends on the smv they have. A beautiful mid 20s girl is the prize over even the highest smv dudes ( as a general rule )

As she ages, high smv dudes are more in demand ( for her age ) . Basically the oned she wants but as a general rule they will not want to commit as for sure they can get better deal elsewhere . Like from mid to late 20s girls ( is achieve able )

Now the 30s woman has 2 options. Either she settles for Lower smv guys ( but still top 20-30%), either she will not have children. Most cases she will settle with some guy with a decent smv that most likely will be par with hers or maybe slightly higher

Same thing with uglier women, they will settle with guys on her par in terms of smv or slightly higher

Basically, women will always have a match with guys at her level or slightly higher while guys not really ( unless they wait for women to get old and start a family and all the drama that comes with her having to settle instead of getting who she wants )

Taking all of this into consideration, women are the prize because they are also the winners of the dating game at any point of her life

Guys in order to be winners have to focus on themselves mainly and also be lucky in order to get something at their level or above ( especially with young women ) . There is no other way for the guy

At the end of the day it is a matter of supply and demand. It is nothing personal, it is just business

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Inbox invites are not the same as actual interest. So what if 100 guys like a chick if she isn’t attracted to any of them.

Real options are people you are attracted to who are attracted back. Obviously the higher SMV you have the more real options you have.

The problem is that yes, many people are in fact utterly delusional. The reward for that delusional stance is ending up alone or unable to maintain a relationship.

I chose from men who also chose me, and fortunately I had good choices to pick from. No way no how would I ever pursue a man, rather I chose from those pursuing me.

Recognize low or no interest women and move on. If the women you want don’t see you or show interest in you? You are just as delusional as the women you criticize. You have work to do or reality to accept. Like the delusional chicks.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

You have to realise that a woman’s prime years are during 18-24 and she will never feel as beautiful as during those years. During those years, her time is mostly taken up by going to university and trying to socialise at university/adjusting to adult life/ figuring out a career path. This only leaves a handful of time available to cater towards dating. Now on top of that, she is still young socially awkward and broke so can’t really do the things she would want to socially and thus restricting how effective she is when dating people. Further more, she doesn’t find most of the men in her university/social circle attractive - they have no money status or game…so during those years she barely gets to scratch the potential of her dating and IF SHE IS LUCKY may get to date one or two men that UNDERSTAND women and can turn her on….
How is she the prize?
Being a man is way better, we have years and years to try and try again until we perfect our game and will always be attractive to younger women as we grow in wealth status and looks

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Advice from the old lady:

Inbox invites are not the same as actual interest. So what if 100 guys like a chick if she isn’t attracted to any of them.

Real options are people you are attracted to who are attracted back. Obviously the higher SMV you have the more real options you have.

The problem is that yes, many people are in fact utterly delusional. The reward for that delusional stance is ending up alone or unable to maintain a relationship.

I chose from men who also chose me, and fortunately I had good choices to pick from. No way no how would I ever pursue a man, rather I chose from those pursuing me.

Recognize low or no interest women and move on. If the women you want don’t see you or show interest in you? You are just as delusional as the women you criticize. You have work to do or reality to accept. Like the delusional chicks.

actually higher smv = lower options. A girl who is high smv is going to want a higher smv man which is a much smaller pool. A girl who is a 6 has way more viable options. The hottest women are often single for the longest periods of time

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Hi SmoothSmooth.

While I agree with your general premise (women settling at 26-30 with an average guy, a late 20s woman competing with an 18 y.o. woman), I think that those things were valid in the pre-Instagram and pre-OLD era (or even way before).

Most women currently simply do not settle with a man with an SMV below theirs, and an average income to boot, as you said (unless she was knocked up by the guy or were high school/college sweethearts). They have enough suitors and choose to wait, to lock not just the 10%-ter, but the single best guy. That is why we now often see so many women who are 27+ and single.

As I have said and shown evidence, the wall nowadays is a myth, so any woman has access to even the top 1-5 percent of men (I am not saying she can secure their commitment though). But that is enough for them to get dopamine spikes, get feelz and chase the dream of the best guy committing to her. Which in turn hurts the options of the average or a bit above average guys (which can be seen in most threads in this forum).

I disagree on the part regarding the 26 y.o. competing with the 18 y.o. I have never seen that in real life, perhaps that was true up to the 50s of the 20th century, or for a very high value male. Most guys here or especially the blue pilled ones, prefer 24-28 when getting into an LTR or marriage, thus creating plenty of options for those women.

bruh as a top % man who gets prime women..:you are completely lost and living behind a screen. Most women do not select men based off instagram or dating apps, it’s a validation machine and nothing else: I have a friend with 1mill tiktok followers that works as a personaltrainer and he goes through the same **** as everyone else with girls just using his profile for validation then ghosting him after a few messages….I also know another famous TikTok singer who girls lust over online (300k instagram followers) but is in a LTR with a 6. if a girl selects a man from the internet trust me it’s either because she herself is low value or she is going to put him through hella sh1t tests before sleeping with him etc and never truly see his value…ur competition is not online, it’s the guys she meetings in her social circle and occasionally men that cold approach her

also hate to break it you, but the top 10% of men do not use social media or instagram or dating apps to meet women…we learnt ALONG TIME AGO that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Most top men have Better things to do that dm 100 girls a day hoping to get a date. The cooler guys are harder to access, and women know this. Being a cool guy isn’t about having money and looks (but it helps), the main-thing is having social power ie being in demand; busy, interesting. A guy like that is the one that turns up late to the party and leaves after 30 minutes with the hot girl. He isn’t using instagram to message strangers like a thirsty dog

seduction is ALL IN THE APPROACH. And the very act of DMing her makes you a p*ssy in her eyes, doesn’t matter how good the profile is. One confident and well calibrated cold approach will blow out every message her in DMs. I have recently cold approached a girl with 20k instagram followers. I GAVE HER MY NUMBER and told her to hit me up. Guess who messages me one week later: her. My confidence and smoothness put me above all 20k of her followers that don’t have balls. When it comes to seduction, women are emotional, they operate on lust not logic. And what I did with that girl, is trigger her lust with a mixture of comfort and uncertainty (walking away without taking her number). Those guys in her dm reveal their interest from the bat and there is too much certainty, thirst and no thrill (plus she knows they are dm’ing hundreds of girls and probably not confident)

What's funny is that most of the girls I end up sleeping with; follow me on instagram but I don’t follow them back.
Understand female psychology
UNDERSTAND LIFE

 

[BeExcellent]

actually higher smv = lower options. A girl who is high smv is going to want a higher smv man which is a much smaller pool. A girl who is a 6 has way more viable options. The hottest women are often single for the longest periods of time

Higher SMV means better choices. Yes the dating pool is smaller, so as a woman you must stand out on qualities other than looks because high SMV men are always with beautiful women and therefore accustomed to or used to beauty. High SMV men don’t fumble around over gorgeous women just as beautiful high SMV women don’t fawn over very handsome men. It’s a requirement, period.

Once that requirement is met however people select one another based on non looks criteria. For men typically that is status and money and personality and sex appeal and intelligence; for women it’s personality and femininity and intelligence and sex appeal and social adroitness. Some men may also value independence and financial savvy in women, other care less about that.

@backbreaker used to discuss this very thing in depth and so did others (that looks only get you in the door).

For me it never mattered that my dating pool was relatively small. I stood out because of my non looks qualities (although I have looks as well) and I chose a man who meets my most important criteria (looks, fitness, sex appeal, masculinity, ambition, intelligence) who is a semi pro athlete in an adventure sport, makes 6 figures and makes me laugh. And there were other high SMV quality men I could have dated seriously instead of my husband. Two called me during the engagement bummed that they didn’t get the opportunity, a retired pro hockey player & multimillionaire and a Hollywood movie producer. Not joking. So no I never lacked for real options.

I picked one. One only. That’s all I require. I had plenty of options to find that one.

I know looks are a commodity that fades over time. I also know sex is a commodity. I know high value men can get those things elsewhere easily. I know my real appeal is in who I am outside those things, and I am real. Real is rare, more rare still in a beautiful sexy woman.

Women who only have beauty cannot out compete that, especially if they don’t grasp that beauty and sex are commodities for high value men….but if you bring much more than that to the table? You are indeed prized.