Standards do not apply to women, Men have made it pointless

[CornbreadFed]

Last year I had sex with this girl, and she dropped the bomb on me later on that she had a kid and that her ex-husband was in the military and wanted to be part of their life again. I was like sure and good luck because I think every dad deserves a second chance with his child and I do not mess around with single moms. Today, according to her snap story, she just married some Mr. Cleanup guy, and I am like wtf haha. Another sad example I have is one of my friends graduated and got himself a decent job at a big 4accounting firm. He then decides to wife up a washed up 45 year old woman with 2 kids/whom are similar ages to him and have a baby through surrogate. Last, it isa sad how many families I see with beta male clean up looking dads with wives with tattoos and shvt all over their bodies.

If you find a good girl that meets your standards, then you might as well keep her because women are not being held accountable for their actions at all.

 

[Dr.Suave]

If you find a good girl that meets your standards, then you might as well keep her because women are not being held accountable for their actions at all.

I agree. Unfortunately most guys cant find a decent girl, or if they find her, they cant pull her, and if they pull her, they cant keep her around.

Its also important to remember Pleasure of Sex guy vs Thrill of the Hunt guys. If you are a Thrill of the Hunt guy, you could find and pull a decent girl, but you will get bored of her and crave new p00zy anyway.

 

[The Duke]

I agree. Unfortunately most guys cant find a decent girl, or if they find her, they cant pull her, and if they pull her, they cant keep her around.

Its also important to remember Pleasure of Sex guy vs Thrill of the Hunt guys. If you are a Thrill of the Hunt guy, you could find and pull a decent girl, but you will get bored of her and crave new p00zy anyway.

At some point the hunter has to ask himself, how many more wall mounts do you need? ;-)

A man can hunt wins, animals, dollars, and women. Persistence, determination, confidence, discipline, and grit are all necessary to be successful.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

At some point the hunter has to ask himself, how many more wall mounts do you need? ;-)

A man can hunt wins, animals, dollars, and women. Persistence, determination, confidence, discipline, and grit are all necessary to be successful.

True grit.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Last year I had sex with this girl, and she dropped the bomb on me later on that she had a kid and that her ex-husband was in the military and wanted to be part of their life again. I was like sure and good luck because I think every dad deserves a second chance with his child and I do not mess around with single moms. Today, according to her snap story, she just married some Mr. Cleanup guy, and I am like wtf haha. Another sad example I have is one of my friends graduated and got himself a decent job at a big 4accounting firm. He then decides to wife up a washed up 45 year old woman with 2 kids/whom are similar ages to him and have a baby through surrogate. Last, it isa sad how many families I see with beta male clean up looking dads with wives with tattoos and shvt all over their bodies.

If you find a good girl that meets your standards, then you might as well keep her because women are not being held accountable for their actions at all.

Depends on the person. Low quality women are no different than low quality men.

You need to find women that have their OWN standards they uphold, not society's standards.

Same as with high quality men, they have their OWN standards to uphold and don't give a crap about society's lower standards.

You aren't even talking about a woman that was upholding society's standards, she was well below average in terms of that.

Bottom line. If you date low quality women raised in low quality households, you should expect low quality relationships with them.

This has nothing to do with "standards" and everything to do with people who have nothing to offer that you are trying to get something from.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Depends on the person. Low quality women are no different than low quality men.

You need to find women that have their OWN standards they uphold, not society's standards.

Same as with high quality men, they have their OWN standards to uphold and don't give a crap about society's lower standards.

You aren't even talking about a woman that was upholding society's standards, she was well below average in terms of that.

Bottom line. If you date low quality women raised in low quality households, you should expect low quality relationships with them.

This has nothing to do with "standards" and everything to do with people who have nothing to offer that you are trying to get something from.

Why should women abide by standards when men will still take them in despite their notch count, kids out of wedlock, tattoos, and etc? There is no incentive to being a high-quality woman in today's age because men do not enforce any repercussions on women. This is why guys with the highest lay counts tend to be lower quality guys based on a society because they are constantly awarded with sex from women.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Why should women abide by standards when men will still take them in despite their notch count, kids out of wedlock, tattoos, and etc? There is no incentive to being a high-quality woman in today's age because men do not enforce any repercussions on women. This is why guys with the highest lay counts tend to be lower quality guys based on a society because they are constantly awarded with sex from women.

The entire point is that high quality people have their OWN standards to uphold whether or not society or anyone else expects them to have standards or not.

Find someone that has their OWN standards to uphold and you won't have these issues.

 

[The Duke]

True grit.

There's a lot that can be learned from some of those old movies.

 

[The Duke]

Why should women abide by standards when men will still take them in despite their notch count, kids out of wedlock, tattoos, and etc? There is no incentive to being a high-quality woman in today's age because men do not enforce any repercussions on women. This is why guys with the highest lay counts tend to be lower quality guys based on a society because they are constantly awarded with sex from women.

Not necessarily. The highest quality women get long term relationships. The smart ones( have standards) know to manage their pu$$y properly if that's what they want.

A high quality guy gets to pick if she gets a relationship or she is just fun and games. The low quality guy awards a relationship to the low quality woman. It's exactly what @BackInTheGame78 said. Set your own standards and others will take notice.

The woman gets to pick the guy, but the guy gets to pick what type of relationship ensues. I wouldn't want it any other way.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There's a lot that can be learned from some of those old movies.

I like Humphrey Bogart flicks when someone tries to F with him and he simply pulls out a gun. "B1tch, please."

 

[CornbreadFed]

Find someone that has their OWN standards to uphold and you won't have these issues.

so we agree to keep the good ones that come around

 

[BackInTheGame78]

so we agree to keep the good ones that come around

Yes of course. Karma has a way of teaching lessons to you when you aren't appreciative of good things being given by the universe.

 

[Gamisch]

Let me give you a different perspective.

80% of people ABSOLUTELY don't want 80% of people.

Women want 20% of men. So the other 80% are easily accessible and available and not much of a challenge right?

Women won't be held accountable UNTILL they try to enter the 20%,or 15% of top men. Then suddenly 20% of men will reject 80% of women ,so she'll almost always fall in this bracket of none-top women. Otherwise she would've been taken of the market by top guy nr...3? and given birth to multiple children and basically got locked into a good life care free environment.

So think about that when you wonder why and how YET here she is being hot and single..how come???


So she might think she is a 10. And that she can get every dude. Untill she meets a 15 percenter who'll treat her like she's garbage. Repeat this a few times. Only then she'll start to understand that none of those men will ever commit to her simply because SHE'S not on their level. Now she is equal to a average man 80% type average Joe man, because to a top man she'll just be a bang average woman!

Ofcourse a simp wont hold a Only Fans star accountable. Nothing we can ever do to change that. But she won't EVER be content with such a simp. So what you can strife for is becoming a top 20 % man, so you can choose women rather than being chosen by women.

Plenty if women spend their prime chasing men who dont want them. They'll take simp, get bored and repeat this process up untill their 50's or older. Doesn't sound like a great perspective to me.

 

[The Duke]

Let me give you a different perspective.

80% of people ABSOLUTELY don't want 80% of people.

Women want 20% of men. So the other 80% are easily accessible and available and not much of a challenge right?

Women won't be held accountable UNTILL they try to enter the 20%,or 15% of top men. Then suddenly 20% of men will reject 80% of women ,so she'll almost always fall in this bracket of none-top women. Otherwise she would've been taken of the market by top guy nr...3? and given birth to multiple children and basically got locked into a good life care free environment.

So think about that when you wonder why and how YET here she is being hot and single..how come???


So she might think she is a 10. And that she can get every dude. Untill she meets a 15 percenter who'll treat her like she's garbage. Repeat this a few times. Only then she'll start to understand that none of those men will ever commit to her simply because SHE'S not on their level. Now she is equal to a average man 80% type average Joe man, because to a top man she'll just be a bang average woman!

Ofcourse a simp wont hold a Only Fans star accountable. Nothing we can ever do to change that. But she won't EVER be content with such a simp. So what you can strife for is becoming a top 20 % man, so you can choose women rather than being chosen by women.

Plenty if women spend their prime chasing men who dont want them. They'll take simp, get bored and repeat this process up untill their 50's or older. Doesn't sound like a great perspective to me.

Buddy that's exactly how it works. I am lucky if I find a room full of women if I am even attracted to 10% of them. Then I gotta sort them by personality, then they have to like what I am selling. Tough deal all around.

 

[SW15]

Plenty if women spend their prime chasing men who dont want them.

Rollo regularly says the average woman doesn't want the average man, which I agree with. In theory, a woman who is a 5 would be satisfied with a man who is a 5. Doesn't happen.

Today, there are plenty of women in the 5-7 range chasing men who are 8.5+. It's not that these men don't want them. The men will want sex from them, at least temporarily. It's common for a man who is 9 to have sex with a woman who is a 6 for some short period of time. This can be anywhere from 1 night to 6 months. Either way, it's not close to permanent.

Women won't be held accountable UNTILL they try to enter the 20%,or 15% of top men. Then suddenly 20% of men will reject 80% of women And that she can get every dude. Untill she meets a 15 percenter who'll treat her like she's garbage. Repeat this a few times. Only then she'll start to understand that none of those men will ever commit to her simply because SHE'S not on their level. Now she is equal to a average man 80% type average Joe man, because to a top man she'll just be a bang average woman!

Even when she gets treated like "garbage" by a man, it looks very different than when a woman treats a man like garbage. The woman who is a 6 who gets treated like garbage by a man who is a 9 at least doesn't experience a harsh rejection initially. She has sex with him. It's after some amount of sex that she doesn't get the commitment she seeks. It's a short term sex thing for the top male. When a man takes a rejection, it is often prior to sex, such as when he asks for the first date or has a "one date, no sex, no second date" interaction.

This is why guys with the highest lay counts tend to be lower quality guys based on a society because they are constantly awarded with sex from women.

It depends on how you define quality. A broke, tattooed dirtbag will often get a lot of sex from women, but the women he bangs may not be quality. A broke, tattooed dirtbag working a manual labor job or a McJob is often having sex with women working various service sector McJobs too. A big, tattooed bouncer who served jail time on an assault charge is having sex with an attractive stripper. Unlike the Walmart cashier, she may be attractive on looks, but is likely to have other issues.

To a lot of women, a broke, tattooed dirtbag seems more attractive than an ordinary white collar guy who is in the semi-successful range ($75k-$125k annually salary) and is a man of decent character. This is at best a middle manager white collar guy. He's not a higher level executive at that salary. A guy in that income range can't lead with his wallet. He would need to lead with looks/fitness if he is to attract women.

Beta Bob office worker who is in the 4.5 - 6.5 range on looks and a middle manager at best is invisible to a lot of women. Beta Bob would mostly know women who are white collar workers and he typically doesn't make much more than they do. He doesn't make enough money to impress a woman of a similar age with a bachelor's or an advanced degree, and the ones he likely could impress are likely single moms.

Today, according to her snap story, she just married some Mr. Cleanup guy, and I am like wtf haha. Another sad example I have is one of my friends graduated and got himself a decent job at a big 4accounting firm. He then decides to wife up a washed up 45 year old woman with 2 kids/whom are similar ages to him and have a baby through surrogate. Last, it isa sad how many families I see with beta male clean up looking dads with wives with tattoos and shvt all over their bodies.

There is no shortage of thirsty men. Due to surplus men in the market, a lot of Beta Bob types end up choosing between the scraps of the sexual marketplace and near zero sex status. A lot of Beta Bob types can only get sex from single moms and/or overweight women. There are plenty of men willing to drop their standards to a level low enough to get sex to avoid a sexless status. Then there are some men who remain sexless despite dropping their standards low in real life, but then end up simping on OnlyFans and Instagram.

 

[Solomon]

This is a HIGH IQ convo and so many Jewels in this thread!

Let me give you a different perspective.

80% of people ABSOLUTELY don't want 80% of people.

Women want 20% of men. So the other 80% are easily accessible and available and not much of a challenge right?

Women won't be held accountable UNTILL they try to enter the 20%,or 15% of top men. Then suddenly 20% of men will reject 80% of women ,so she'll almost always fall in this bracket of none-top women. Otherwise she would've been taken of the market by top guy nr...3? and given birth to multiple children and basically got locked into a good life care free environment.

So think about that when you wonder why and how YET here she is being hot and single..how come???


So she might think she is a 10. And that she can get every dude. Untill she meets a 15 percenter who'll treat her like she's garbage. Repeat this a few times. Only then she'll start to understand that none of those men will ever commit to her simply because SHE'S not on their level. Now she is equal to a average man 80% type average Joe man, because to a top man she'll just be a bang average woman!

Ofcourse a simp wont hold a Only Fans star accountable. Nothing we can ever do to change that. But she won't EVER be content with such a simp. So what you can strife for is becoming a top 20 % man, so you can choose women rather than being chosen by women.

Plenty if women spend their prime chasing men who dont want them. They'll take simp, get bored and repeat this process up untill their 50's or older. Doesn't sound like a great perspective to me.

This is something that most men even Redpill men don't understand when we talk about 80/20 rule. Most guys if there are honest with themselves want the hottest chick/chicks myself included but the reality is most men don't qualify. So now the Redpill has turned into a circle jerk where everything is women's fault when in reality if you flip it around most men wouldn't get with most women either. Would you date a single fat mother? a girl with tattoos all over her body? a girl who does meth and other drugs? this is the part for whatever reason the redpill seems to miss.

You posted the inverse of what I mentoned but in a better way than I could break down so Kudos!

Beat

Not necessarily. The highest quality women get long term relationships. The smart ones( have standards) know to manage their pu$$y properly if that's what they want.

A high quality guy gets to pick if she gets a relationship or she is just fun and games. The low quality guy awards a relationship to the low quality woman. It's exactly what @BackInTheGame78 said. Set your own standards and others will take notice.

The woman gets to pick the guy, but the guy gets to pick what type of relationship ensues. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Goated Comment. Wanna knowif you're a high quality guy when it comes to women? it's very easy

• Friday night-multiple women hitting you up to hang out i.e. go to lounge, bar, or just to smiddash
• Saturday night-multiple women hitting you up to hang out i.e. go to lounge, bar, or just to smiddash
• Women wanting to hang out with you sexually&non-sexually i.e. boat parties, house parties, day parties, bbqs etc
• There are many more but 90% of men on the site don't even have this

The entire point is that high quality people have their OWN standards to uphold whether or not society or anyone else expects them to have standards or not.

Find someone that has their OWN standards to uphold and you won't have these issues.

Amen!!

Mic drop!

 

[CornbreadFed]

Every post on here is gold. I guess I was just ranting haha. This is why rejection shouldn’t be taking seriously because chances are that you two weren’t compatible and she was saving your time and energy.

 

[IKO69]

This is a HIGH IQ convo and so many Jewels in this thread!



This is something that most men even Redpill men don't understand when we talk about 80/20 rule. Most guys if there are honest with themselves want the hottest chick/chicks myself included but the reality is most men don't qualify. So now the Redpill has turned into a circle jerk where everything is women's fault when in reality if you flip it around most men wouldn't get with most women either. Would you date a single fat mother? a girl with tattoos all over her body? a girl who does meth and other drugs? this is the part for whatever reason the redpill seems to miss.

You posted the inverse of what I mentoned but in a better way than I could bring down so Kudos!

Beat


Goated Comment. Wanna knowif you're a high quality guy when it comes to women? it's very easy

• Friday night-multiple women hitting you up to hang out i.e. go to lounge, bar, or just to smiddash
• Saturday night-multiple women hitting you up to hang out i.e. go to lounge, bar, or just to smiddash
• Women wanting to hang out with you sexually&non-sexually i.e. boat parties, house parties, day parties, bbqs etc
• There are many more but 90% of men on the site don't even have this

Amen!!

Mic drop!

I wouldn't say it's not that they don't qualify, it's that they refuse to do the heavy lifting. It's easier to do nothing and feel sorry for yourself (we've all been here early on but strangely it seems some people make it a resting a place). There's a ton of imperfect guys with baddies out there. Some of the stuff like getting into good shape is obvious, but there's a ton of people that resist even the most basic things (which could be considered the foundation, therefore essential). Guys want a fit baddie with a great curvy figure yet look like **** themselves. What do they think is going to happen, especially if she's the type who works out hard and watches what she eats to maintain her own figure? She's going to want someone on her level, not some beer drinker with a dad bod (who isn't even a father!). Then there's the whole cold approaching-risk averse thing. Women are the passive, receptive sex - male energy is supposed to be direct and aggressive. Like it or not they wait for the man, even if they are interested. There's lots of guys who are afraid to take initiative and it is almost like the hottie is just supposed to fall into their lap. There are/will be cases when something like that happens but it is very rare and more often than not is not going to be who you really *desire*.

A lot of men like to go in on the women for their problems, but the fault rests with the men as much as the women. Lots of weak men enable women's poor behavior. Accountability is the theme of this thread - with a large number of simps giving women the pass and making excuses for them, what else can we expect out of them?

 

[Gamisch]

Today, there are plenty of women in the 5-7 range chasing men who are 8.5+. It's not that these men don't want them. The men will want sex from them, at least temporarily. It's common for a man who is 9 to have sex with a woman who is a 6 for some short period of time. This can be anywhere from 1 night to 6 months. Either way, it's not close to permanent.



Even when she gets treated like "garbage" by a man, it looks very different than when a woman treats a man like garbage. The woman who is a 6 who gets treated like garbage by a man who is a 9 at least doesn't experience a harsh rejection initially. She has sex with him. It's after some amount of sex that she doesn't get the commitment she seeks. It's a short term sex thing for the top male. When a man takes a rejection, it is often prior to sex, such as when he asks for the first date or has a "one date, no sex, no second date" interaction.



It depends on how you define quality. A broke, tattooed dirtbag will often get a lot of sex from women, but the women he bangs may not be quality. A broke, tattooed dirtbag working a manual labor job or a McJob is often having sex with women working various service sector McJobs too. A big, tattooed bouncer who served jail time on an assault charge is having sex with an attractive stripper. Unlike the Walmart cashier, she may be attractive on looks, but is likely to have other issues.

To a lot of women, a broke, tattooed dirtbag seems more attractive than an ordinary white collar guy who is in the semi-successful range ($75k-$125k annually salary) and is a man of decent character. This is at best a middle manager white collar guy. He's not a higher level executive at that salary. A guy in that income range can't lead with his wallet. He would need to lead with looks/fitness if he is to attract women.

Beta Bob office worker who is in the 4.5 - 6.5 range on looks and a middle manager at best is invisible to a lot of women. Beta Bob would mostly know women who are white collar workers and he typically doesn't make much more than they do. He doesn't make enough money to impress a woman of a similar age with a bachelor's or an advanced degree, and the ones he likely could impress are likely single moms.



There is no shortage of thirsty men. Due to surplus men in the market, a lot of Beta Bob types end up choosing between the scraps of the sexual marketplace and near zero sex status. A lot of Beta Bob types can only get sex from single moms and/or overweight women. There are plenty of men willing to drop their standards to a level low enough to get sex to avoid a sexless status. Then there are some men who remain sexless despite dropping their standards low in real life, but then end up simping on OnlyFans and Instagram.

Women absolutely hate it when they get rejected, especially after giving you sex
The more you had sex with her ,the more heartbroken she'll be.

The closest feeing we as men get is when we have (had) an hb8,5 + who made you feel uncomfortable ,but she keeps hanging around. After a while you "just" believe she is attracted to you and you start believing your own smv is higher than you initially thought.

Women go through this process MUCH faster. So fast actually that we as men cant comprehend how quickly a hb5 thinks she a 8 due fecking a man whose actually a real 8+. We would call it delusional.

I wouldn't say it's not that they don't qualify, it's that they refuse to do the heavy lifting. It's easier to do nothing and feel sorry for yourself (we've all been here early on but strangely it seems some people make it a resting a place). There's a ton of imperfect guys with baddies out there. Some of the stuff like getting into good shape is obvious, but there's a ton of people that resist even the most basic things (which could be considered the foundation, therefore essential). Guys want a fit baddie with a great curvy figure yet look like **** themselves. What do they think is going to happen, especially if she's the type who works out hard and watches what she eats to maintain her own figure? She's going to want someone on her level, not some beer drinker with a dad bod (who isn't even a father!). Then there's the whole cold approaching-risk averse thing. Women are the passive, receptive sex - male energy is supposed to be direct and aggressive. Like it or not they wait for the man, even if they are interested. There's lots of guys who are afraid to take initiative and it is almost like the hottie is just supposed to fall into their lap. There are/will be cases when something like that happens but it is very rare and more often than not is not going to be who you really *desire*.

A lot of men like to go in on the women for their problems, but the fault rests with the men as much as the women. Lots of weak men enable women's poor behavior. Accountability is the theme of this thread - with a large number of simps giving women the pass and making excuses for them, what else can we expect out of them?

There's this poster here whose name I forgot who keeps saying its not THAT hard to become a top20z% man. But sometimes people look at the map and say they can't ever make such a journey. While al they should do is take 1 step and get started.

Eventually top20 is just a hypothetical figurative number. Might as well be 25, or 30. If i have to believe some.of you guys on places like Miami they push it to a top35/40% of men. The latter sounds extremely inspirational.

Aim for top20 and see how far you get. You'd be surprised how quickly you stand out from other men when you;
- have good finances
-are well trained
-know game
-and perhaps got some cojones on top of that.

 

[Bigpapa]

The woman gets to pick the guy, but the guy gets to pick what type of relationship ensues. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Only if you are a quality guy yourself, otherwise you will be happy to “start” a family with a washed up women in her mids 30s and made almost only poor chooses through her youth

most guys are like this

i started to see more and more extremely young children with parents over 35, and always the woman looks like a hoe And the guy like extremely pathetic

I am 33 now and I realized that for a while I have high expectations from women in order to want to remain in touch with them

I am ok To accept bullsh1t if I want to smash something and so on, but if I want to start any sort of relationship with them they need to come with good energy, otherwise I do not really want to keep them around