The Real Reasons Young Straight Men Aren't Having Sex

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Most men turn to porn due to low SMV which is discovered through taking harsh rejections in the real world or in the tech-world on apps/Instagram.

Agree, either that or the demands and maintenance for women are more than what they are willing to pay for the benefits it brings.

 

[Gamisch]

Most men turn to porn due to low SMV which is discovered through taking harsh rejections in the real world or in the tech-world on apps/Instagram.

I think it goes a little deeper than that.

An orgasm is apparently comparable to a shot of heroin. Every man is ar least vulnerable to a porn addiction because its so easy, and a new thrill is always there because it seems like every hb6 and up is doing porn type stuff all around the globe.

To me porn hits different when I'm actually fecking a girl. During a dryspell porn is the last thing on my mind.

I do agree that shyte got out of hand. We grew up with soft porn actually. Hustler (in Europe) was the most hardcore thing I'd ever seen, and that was after i was 16 or so.

As i said you do have a point that porn takes away the incentive to get women. Ironically enough the same OF- incel combo might've been a taker-giver relationship before the major explosion of porn; They're both off the serious dating market, both are " satisfied " and both are outcasts

I have some fun stats for you by the way;

 

[BadBoy89]

Porn is at the heart of it. The biological need for sex isn't there so they shy away from women, and then this just worsens their self esteem and confidence. Their desire for women is more out of loneliness and validation rather than rampant sexual desire, which if they had then they would approach women, or do whatever is necessary to attract them. On a subconscious level they don't desire sex so it becomes harder to court girls when on an instinctive level their body doesn't want it.

It’s some of it, but there other main part is a women’s virginity, her legal, economic, and social power.

Men don’t see the benefits in pursing and committing to women who have slept with Alphas in their 20s, and then want commitment with betas in their 30s, with the option of taking half the man’s money a few years in.

If women, by law. had to be virgins before marriage, had to be married by 25, had to have a baby by 30, and could not divorce without being judged harshly by society, the porn wouldn’t matter and men would care about pursing women and being the best versions of themselves.

Not saying porn is bad or good, but the legal rights and economic power of women is often overlooked in the argument.

 

[Gamisch]

It’s some of it, but there other main part is a women’s virginity, her legal, economic, and social power.

Men don’t see the benefits in pursing and committing to women who have slept with Alphas in their 20s, and then want commitment with betas in their 30s, with the option of taking half the man’s money a few years in.

If women, by law. had to be virgins before marriage, had to be married by 25, had to have a baby by 30, and could not divorce without being judged harshly by society, the porn wouldn’t matter and men would care about pursing women and being the best versions of themselves.

Not saying porn is bad or good, but the legal rights and economic power of women is often overlooked in the argument.

Although I don't necessarily agree with your statement about virginity, I do have to so this;

In strict religious countries, mostly Islamic states, they seemingly do have more control over their women. Being a virgin is a big thing in those places. I think that a lot of men in the west might be against the Islam, when it comes to women they laugh at western men.

Even in Europe it's mostly this route for Islamic women : 18, marriage, kids. That's one notch..ofcourse some of those women are sneaky and finding ways to do nasty things before their marriage and some will become completely westernized ,but the consequences if they getting caught are REAL .

You can argue all you want about what political system is best ect. When its about women they have it better than ANY other group/race / country/state/religion/culture ect.

 

[I_have_BDE]

If its for LTR Im not sure. If its just for sex, I´ll take the white woman as long a she passes the boner test.

Wow. Even if she has some chunk you'd take the white woman??

 

[corrector]

I think it goes a little deeper than that.

An orgasm is apparently comparable to a shot of heroin. Every man is ar least vulnerable to a porn addiction because its so easy, and a new thrill is always there because it seems like every hb6 and up is doing porn type stuff all around the globe.

To me porn hits different when I'm actually fecking a girl. During a dryspell porn is the last thing on my mind.

I do agree that shyte got out of hand. We grew up with soft porn actually. Hustler (in Europe) was the most hardcore thing I'd ever seen, and that was after i was 16 or so.

As i said you do have a point that porn takes away the incentive to get women. Ironically enough the same OF- incel combo might've been a taker-giver relationship before the major explosion of porn; They're both off the serious dating market, both are " satisfied " and both are outcasts

I have some fun stats for you by the way;


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These days even minors look at porn because it's too accessible. I looked at this stuff online before I was 18 years old.

 

[corrector]

During a dryspell porn is the last thing on my mind.

Your dryspell is not long enough then.

 

[I_have_BDE]

These days even minors look at porn because it's too accessible. I looked at this stuff online before I was 18 years old.

I'll be 40 this fall and remember looking at porn like in 1998 online. It was harder to find back then since there was no pornhub. Most was pay only and TONS of spyware.

Remember up until 1997 you could turn to the Playboy channel and listen and kinda see the porn all scrambled until they passed a law for it. I remember when my cousin got DirectTV and had the chip that got you all the channels and I'd watch it when They were not home lol.

Those were the days growing up as a teen lol. Our high school computers were slow as balls and boys would at lunch time go to the library and try and get porn. Think of the episode of Beavis and Butthead where Stu loads porn on the library computer lol.

 

[corrector]

I'll be 40 this fall and remember looking at porn like in 1998 online. It was harder to find back then since there was no pornhub. Most was pay only and TONS of spyware.

Remember up until 1997 you could turn to the Playboy channel and listen and kinda see the porn all scrambled until they passed a law for it. I remember when my cousin got DirectTV and had the chip that got you all the channels and I'd watch it when They were not home lol.

Those were the days growing up as a teen lol. Our high school computers were slow as balls and boys would at lunch time go to the library and try and get porn. Think of the episode of Beavis and Butthead where Stu loads porn on the library computer lol.

Thanks for sharing that.

I had an online porn consumption problem in 1992, when I was 16 years old. My recollection that it was easy to find images and some short video clips, but it took forever to download, especially videos.

I got bored of that version of online porn in 1993 and it should have ended there. (Ie it gets tiring seeing more or less the same type of content that takes an hour to download a simple image!) But I had a weak spot - the escort and adult classified. When escorts went from print to online and put up ads then it entrenched a new type of online porn (1997) that has culmimated to onlyfans today. The internet sped up from 1997. 1992 was far worst than 1997.

 

[Bokanovsky]

This sums it up. We have seen this drawing on this forum before. Its not new to many of us. And since 2015, women are getting even all the more picky. IMO I think a lot of men are just giving up on trying because it is so difficult for many of them, plain and simple.

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The problem with this model is that it doesn’t explain why top tier guys who get massive attention from women would bother with average and below average women?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Yup

Porn
Social Media
Video Games
Lack of social skills
mental illness
Low testosterone


These are all real things, also the rise of incels is cause men in this generation are lazy, and Gen-Z andMillienals don't have the perseverance mindset of previous generations. Look at all these modern comforts. It's gonna be survival of the fittest in the next 10 years. Once AI robots come out it's a wrap and incelldom will be the norm for most folks

My Zoomer GF dated mostly guys her age. I’m middle aged. She told me I was the horniest guy she ever was with. Gen Z boys must have low T.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The problem with this model is that it doesn’t explain why top tier guys who get massive attention from women would bother with average and below average women?

When I was a lot younger. A Chad friend of mine told me: ‘Average is amazing.’.

 

[corrector]

When I was a lot younger. A Chad friend of mine told me: ‘Average is amazing.’.

Yeah, they must do more work to please the guy than a hotter girl.

 

[SW15]

I'll be 40 this fall and remember looking at porn like in 1998 online. It was harder to find back then since there was no pornhub. Most was pay only and TONS of spyware.

Remember up until 1997 you could turn to the Playboy channel and listen and kinda see the porn all scrambled until they passed a law for it. I remember when my cousin got DirectTV and had the chip that got you all the channels and I'd watch it when They were not home lol.

Those were the days growing up as a teen lol. Our high school computers were slow as balls and boys would at lunch time go to the library and try and get porn. Think of the episode of Beavis and Butthead where Stu loads porn on the library computer lol.

Broadband internet made porn easier.

In the 1980s/1990s, there was VHS/DVD porn and then magazine porn. There were things like the Playboy Channel and Spice Channel which were PPV. It was more difficult for underage people to get to these forms of porn, but they managed to get it.

Porn in the slow internet era wasn't ideal but teens of the late 1990s did that.

 

[Bokanovsky]

When I was a lot younger. A Chad friend of mine told me: ‘Average is amazing.’.

That sounds like someone with low confidence. Average is average.

 

[GoodMan32]

Porn is at the heart of it. These guys are jacking off to porn instead of pursuing women. The biological need for sex isn't there so they shy away from women, and then this just worsens their self esteem and confidence. Their desire for women is more out of loneliness and validation rather than rampant sexual desire, which if they had then they would approach women, or do whatever is necessary to attract them. On a subconscious level they don't desire sex so it becomes harder to court girls when on an instinctive level their body doesn't want it.

Even though internet porn has only been popular for maybe 20-25 years or so, porno magazines existed before then. Playboy was invented during the 1950s.

So, guys have had porn to jack off to for 70 years now. Yet this is a relatively new phenomenon where guys opt out of pursuing a woman. I think something other than porn is to blame.

Hell, even 15 years ago (when there was already internet porn galore), guys pursued women more.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Even though internet porn has only been popular for maybe 20-25 years or so, porno magazines existed before then. Playboy was invented during the 1950s.

So, guys have had porn to jack off to for 70 years now. Yet this is a relatively new phenomenon where guys opt out of pursuing a woman. I think something other than porn is to blame.

Hell, even 15 years ago (when there was already internet porn galore), guys pursued women more.

A 15 year old looking at porn is different than a 45 year old wacking to porn.

14 year old is horny but also curious about sex and girls.

Im 39 and porn is boring. I know what sex is and what boobs are.

 

[corrector]

A 15 year old looking at porn is different than a 45 year old wacking to porn.

14 year old is horny but also curious about sex and girls.

Im 39 and porn is boring. I know what sex is and what boobs are.

That's interesting. I'm 47 years old and I wish that it got boring like it did in 1993 when 16 - going on 17 years old. It got boring fast when I was younger because of the slow-speed internet and, once you've seen enough pictures you've seen them all.

Yet, it's more fueled today than before because of sites like onlyfans. Right now I'm trying an experimental way to get off porn by banning all porn, escort pics, and anything on the internet that would be arousing, except for this one girl on onlyfans and I can only look at her site/pics once a week if I'm really horney and want to watch something. The funny part about it, is because I'm so horney whenever I look at her pictures, some aspect of her keeps jumping out. One week it could be her skin texture, another could be her hair, another week it could be her boobs and how they would feel in my mouth. I was hoping I'd get bored out of one onlyfans girl's page with pages that are not even completely nude and am surprized that, when you are horney and starving enough, that even a lame page can be a turn-on.

 

[Reincarnated]

The issue is not even being the 4rth or below and not getting S, the issue is that even if you are the third, you're getting sub optimal options and probably at a great cost in terms of effort.

Add to that the current state of the dating market...a 20 yrs ago average woman in terms of looks and personality would be a top 20% today.

Then become the first/second man. Easier said than done, I know, but still. I might sound like a broken record at this point for how many times I've articulated this, but getting into that top 20% is not as hard as some guys think. Yes it can take a lot of effort depending on the cards you were dealt, but the fact that half the guys in the world aren't even trying anymore makes it realistic.

 

[GoodMan32]

A 15 year old looking at porn is different than a 45 year old wacking to porn.

14 year old is horny but also curious about sex and girls.

Im 39 and porn is boring. I know what sex is and what boobs are.

I see what you're saying. I also know what sex and boobs are. Porn is somewhat boring to me too. I generally only watch 2 types of porn at my current age (I'm in my 30s):

1. Porn videos with intriguing storylines.
2. Porn videos that cover my specific fetish (Even though women in person have engaged in my fetish for me many times, I can't get enough of it. Seeing it happen in any context, even on an internet video, is exciting to me).

During my teen years though? I watched all sorts of porn for the sake of watching porn.