video: Why Height Matters In Everything

[corrector]

I have never felt any insecurity at any point in my life because of my height and think the obsession with it here is just bizarre. It's always been other things in the past, inexperience, obesity, race (ie if targetting or have a fetish interest towards Asians/Indians or interested in escortcelling), or economic standing, but never height in a million years.

 

[SW15]

I still remember matching with a girl on OLD who was like 5'10 or something and I mentioned she can wear high heels and still won't tower over me. Her response was "lmao you think you're tall?" Why yes, I do, literally less than 15% of men in the US (a taller country) are 6' or over.

To a 5'10" woman, a 6'0"-6'1" guy isn't that special. At 6'0", a 5'5" woman will be more impressed by your height than a 5'10" woman. A 5'10" woman expects a man to be 6'0". A 5'10" man is nothing to a 5'10" woman.

Women like this were the reason that I stopped playing sand volleyball as a way to meet women. I never experienced anything as outright rude as this while playing volleyball, but women were more covertly rude about my height when I was playing volleyball. A lot of women interested in playing volleyball are on the taller side (5'7"+ and even more likely to be 5'10"+).

Volleyball was one of the better hobbies I have had over the years in terms of meeting women. I've not been that active in it for 5+ years. Sand is better than indoor. I played in both volleyball leagues and random pickup games on weekend afternoons. I found that the random pickup games were better for arranging dates than the organized co-ed leagues around it. I had far more meaningful conversations when participating in random pickup games.

The biggest issue I encountered is volleyball were factors specific to me. I was a decent volleyball player due to my transferrable skills from tennis, mainly serving. However, I'm only 5'10". The best volleyball playing women are 5'8"-6'3". Women 5'7" and under are not all that inclined to randomly play volleyball as adults. While I might have a chance with the 5'8"-5'10" women at volleyball, the 5'11"+ women are very unlikely to consider me worthy of their time. While I enjoy volleyball, there are other activities I enjoy more. I eventually realized that volleyball wasn't my best use of time for attracting-seducing.

For a 6'0"+ guy with a solid physique and decent volleyball skills, I'd recommend volleyball for pickup. I'd recommend sand over indoor. However, for the 6'0"+ guy with a good physique, I don't think that sand volleyball is any more efficient than swipe apps or random approaching at bars. That type of guy is going to have success in all formats. It's a matter of how much screen time he wants to put in on his smartphone vs. how much real life approaching he wants to do. I think it would be more fun for a 6'0"+ guy with sand volleyball skill to pick up women through volleyball than to sit on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge and swipe. It'd be a better use of time for that guy to play volleyball in terms of getting longer term relationships. That'd be the use case where I'd recommend volleyball over the swipe apps. It's a realistic scenario for a 6'2" guy to a get a 5'9"-6'0" volleyball playing girlfriend and that scenario has a better chance of lasting longer than flings with Tinderellas, most of whom are 5'6" and under.

 

[kavi]

Its all lie made to make men feel insecure and to make men believe they live in a world where size brute force and aggression are the most important traits.

If height had been really important humans would be getting taller and taller. But the CURRENT AVERAGE HEIGHT reflects success in breeding and survival over many preceding generations it shows that the current AVERAGE height is the most optimal height no matter what anyone says.

Bronze Age steppe nomads of north eurasia may have been the tallest and most robust modern humans to have ever lived in Eurasia but since then average height has been dropping. Those guys were very tough and warlike but subsequent generations have been smaller and slimmer.

At 5 8/9 i know i never have to worry about not being tall enough and can confidently talk to women 6ft i just dont feel height is at all relevant unless maybe OLD but irl no.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Height is only a smart part of it. I don't know why this thread exists. MatureDJ, I've always been on the fence about the threads you make based off posting the latest viral video, but this is one of those topics that has been overplayed and you should know better.

It's about time I take everyone to school on what is really going on. Height is just a projection by women, and even men, looking for father role models. Father role models exhibit masculinity in full, and our society currently lacks a lot of it. Especially in the city life that projects their lifestyle on the entire world. The men are weak in cities, so that means men are weak everywhere else. Put a city woman or man in the middle of nowhere with a single rural man, and watch the power dynamic change.

City people see power in only a few ways: luxury [wasteful assets], height, fit, and other qualities of a hollywood celebrity or sports athletes. To them, these people are their role models, which is basically only a role model of a city life person. Why you think celebrities and athletes are getting politician positions when they shouldn't even be qualified? Half of them are even as educated as the average person since they coasted mostly on their physical skills and or looks. You trust these people with making life decisions? But as soon as the luxury of the city is removed, these role models are no longer dependable. Why? What real life skills do they have? What assets or land do they own? What power do they truly wield?

The Baron of the olden days was the man who was not exactly attractive looking but he held lots of power and money. And it wasn't always showey. People knew he held power. They gave respect to him. They gave him gifts, women came to him. This has happened in all societies. Height is just one part and always just been one part. Tall men use to be mainly the soldiers of society and still are. It just so happens these same tall men got pushed into executive positions cause again: city life.

City life is not real life. Never was. The moves of society and industry often are not the perfect looking masculine ideal. David of Michelangelo was not a politician, or a entrepreneur. He was just a figure for pompous admiration of the nude male figure, likely by perverted men and women. Not a figure for masculinity [perhaps only one part of it and that is stretching it] or a figure for following life by.

 

[SW15]

i just dont feel height is at all relevant unless maybe OLD but irl no.

What you feel isn't reality. There are a lot of data points that suggest a lack of male height has detrimental effects on a man's life.

In terms of the mating marketplace, height is more relevant on the swipe apps than it is with interactions started in-person. On a swipe app, a woman can filter out the men below her desired height. In real life, she'll at least have to field an approach from a 'short guy' and that will bother her.

Eventually, in real life, women will opt against interactions with men below her desired height.

The thing that's changed in more recent times is that female demands for height have increased.

 

[Barrister]

No one here, to my knowledge, has ever said that height has zero relevance in attracting women. All things equal, the taller man will be preferred over the shorter one. Just like all things equal, the guy with more money will be preferred over the one with less. This stuff is by no means rocket science.

We all know that the entire package is what counts. You don't need to be 6'3 to pull hot women. Nor do you need to be a millionaire. I don't know what the point of beating a dead horse with these kind of posts are.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If you can get girls at whatever height you are at. You are not too short.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In terms of the mating marketplace, height is more relevant on the swipe apps than it is with interactions started in-person. On a swipe app, a woman can filter out the men below her desired height. In real life, she'll at least have to field an approach from a 'short guy' and that will bother

I put 5’8 on my profile & Tinder was fantastic. This is the lens i see these threads through. Though I am beginning to wonder if I am a data-point outlier..

 

[HaleyBaron]

Height doesn't matter online cause of the lack of perception. In real life is where you get a woman's true reaction, so I always thought it was meaningless to put ever. She see a muscled guy on a picture, she assumes he tall. Meets him in person, finds him shorter than her. But she takes what she can get cause he's good enough.

 

[SW15]

I put 5’8 on my profile & Tinder was fantastic. This is the lens i see these threads through. Though I am beginning to wonder if I am a data-point outlier..

You're an outlier to some extent. 5'8" is considered on the shorter side. 5'9"-5'10" is average.

Race/ethnicity matters too. 5'8" is less damaging as a Hispanic male seeking Hispanic women. If you're White and 5'8" and dealing with entitled White women, that's a lot worse.

Neil Strauss in the 1990s was having a bad time as a 5'6" balding man before he joined forces with Mystery and other PUAs circa 2000-2003. Strauss then became an outlier success story in terms of learning attraction-seduction skill.

I'm not even sure a 5'6" man learning Game today would have as much success even as an outlier as Strauss had in 2000-2003. If Strauss were newer to Game 2015-present, I don't think he would have achieved what he achieved in 2000-2003. The environment has become more difficult. In 2003, Strauss was dealing with females that mainly operated offline then. Dating websites existing, but fewer people were using them as they were still borderline stigmatized then.

 

[Redwood]

You're an outlier to some extent. 5'8" is considered on the shorter side. 5'9"-5'10" is average.

Race/ethnicity matters too. 5'8" is less damaging as a Hispanic male seeking Hispanic women. If you're White and 5'8" and dealing with entitled White women, that's a lot worse.

Neil Strauss in the 1990s was having a bad time as a 5'6" balding man before he joined forces with Mystery and other PUAs circa 2000-2003. Strauss then became an outlier success story in terms of learning attraction-seduction skill.

I'm not even sure a 5'6" man learning Game today would have as much success even as an outlier as Strauss had in 2000-2003. If Strauss were newer to Game 2015-present, I don't think he would have achieved what he achieved in 2000-2003. The environment has become more difficult. In 2003, Strauss was dealing with females that mainly operated offline then. Dating websites existing, but fewer people were using them as they were still borderline stigmatized then.

Average height in Texas was 5'7" I believe.

 

[SW15]

Average height in Texas was 5'7" I believe.

Was or is? When was it?

I'm in Dallas. The typical Millennial White woman in Dallas would think a 5'7" man is "eewww, icky".

 

[MatureDJ]

I have never felt any insecurity at any point in my life because of my height and think the obsession with it here is just bizarre. It's always been other things in the past, inexperience, obesity, race (ie if targetting or have a fetish interest towards Asians/Indians or interested in escortcelling), or economic standing, but never height in a million years.

That's because you are 6'3".

 

[corrector]

That's because you are 6'3".

I'm 5'10 - 5'11 ish.

 

[Redwood]

Was or is? When was it?

I'm in Dallas. The typical Millennial White woman in Dallas would think a 5'7" man is "eewww, icky".

According to this:

Average Height by State 2023 - Wisevoter

The average height in America is 5’9″ for men and 5’4″ for women. However, it may vary from state to state. For instance, Montana and Utah are the tallest states in America with an average height of 5’7.7″, while Hawaii has the lowest average height of 5’6″. States like Minnesota, Oregon, and...

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