How essential is game for attracting girls?

[oliver109]

I have heard that men who are not especially attractive need game to get any half decent looking girl, i would rate myself a 7/10 as my features fortunately are fairly regular and have inherited features from both my parents who had imo quite attractive family members. That said i would not say my looks have been a massive boost for getting intimate with girls as connecting with a girl i find a bit harder than connecting with fellow guys. Can you get girls without game and all the smooth jokes and vocal delivery?

 

[characternote]

You 'attract' girls with your looks (or in some situations your money/status). You can't make a girl attracted with 'game'. Danny Devito (without fame) could have the best game in the world but if he's hitting on super hot 18 year olds in the bars, he's going home alone

Game is for after you've attracted them to help you not screw up with them girls (basically flirting, having the guts to escalate, not bore her to death etc)

However, the bar really isn't very high. Pretty much everything in PUA/game books is stuff I always already knew or naturally done, and I'd wager that applies to quite a few guys who got into this stuff (I can't be the only one who read a game book and finished it thinking 'wow. What a waste. I learnt literally nothing new or interesting' lol)

Depending on just HOW attracted she is to you, you can get away with having like zero game lol. (for example, one of my two super slayer friends who can bang the hottest girls whenever they feel like it due to being exceptionally good looking, is honestly a really boring dude with zero charisma lol. The other one DOES have some 'game' I guess. But their results are the same)

Although in general, you need a bit I guess (but I'd say any normally socialised guy already has enough 'game' and already knows whatever he would read in a PUA book)

 

[CornbreadFed]

Game is more-so retaining girls and reeling the benefits than attraction. Attraction is usually set in stone and hard to get around.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Everyone is a 7/10.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

We'll need to clarify what you mean by "attracting" women. For initial attraction, game doesn't matter very much assuming you have decent looks/energy/etc.

For keeping women interested, game is paramount. No amount of looks, money, status, etc will make a women sexually attracted to you if your game is ****. They will lose respect (and thus attraction) rapidly if you display low status behavior.

The advice men give to "work on yourself and women will come" is flawed, self development won't make much of a difference with initial attraction except for improving appearance. You need to improve your wealth/looks/status/charisma/etc AND develop game; game is always completely independant.

I will grant that the more attractive you are, the more get away with sloppier game, there is definitely a scale to this. I would also say that women expect attractive men to not use as much game because using game shouldn't be as necessary when you're already attractive. On the other hand, a guy who's more average looking will become much more attractive to them with good game because it basically implies they're experienced and confident with women (also, because they HAVE to use game so women expect it).

 

[oliver109]

We'll need to clarify what you mean by "attracting" women. For initial attraction, game doesn't matter very much assuming you have decent looks/energy/etc.

For keeping women interested, game is paramount. No amount of looks, money, status, etc will make a women sexually attracted to you if your game is ****. They will lose respect (and thus attraction) rapidly if you display low status behavior.

The advice men give to "work on yourself and women will come" is flawed, self development won't make much of a difference with initial attraction except for improving appearance. You need to improve your wealth/looks/status/charisma/etc AND develop game; game is always completely independant.

I will grant that if you are exceptionally attractive you can get away with sloppier game, there is definitely a scale to this.

Well keeping women interested is obviously what matters here and so i do want to know how much game one needs to keep a woman interested, there must be many cases of dull or unassuming men still being able to date very attractive girls, obviously some types of girls i think are less willing to date more "boring" men but then they are probably those party hard types that are not the most attractive anyway in most respects.

 

[Velasco]

Most important thing besides maximizing your looks is knowing where and when to go. Then only after that is, capitalizing on opportunities that present themselves to you. Leading them out.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Charisma is part of attraction. While Danny Devito doesn't get the hot 18 y/o without being famous, Ric Ocasek doesn't get a hot 18 y/o Paulina Primehazlefta without being charming.

A face that is of average beauty will be more attractive than a beautiful face, should the average face have a beaming smile and the more physically attractive face have a scowl. Personality is a component of physical attraction.

 

[sangheilios]

There is no such thing as "game". Barring any serious issues, like a complete lack of social skills, being incredibly awkward, or having an poor sense of humor that women don't understand, "game" does not exist. Women either like you or they don't, though this is along a spectrum. Many women will find you decent/passable and will possibly give you a chance, going out on a date allows you both to figure out if you have some degree of personal compatibility or not. Again, "game" doesn't exist.

 

[RazorRambo24]

Attraction is based on beauty/looks or other superficialities like money, height, archetypes like skater boy, thug, artist, athlete. Seduction is based on attraction + energy defined by skill.

I would say game is more or less needed in a few things: 1) approaching random women, breaking down their defenses and seducing them/esclating towards an end goal of a date/sex or instant lip locking which leads to the aforementioned 2) to be able to keep women in your life that you might not be interested in for more than just their beauty/se.x

 

[The Duke]

I think there are as many definitions of game as there are posters on this topic.

 

[devilkingx2]

Nothing is essential for attracting girls. There's broke fat annoying losers with wives above their league.

Obviously the more that you have of the 4 pillars (looks, money, status, game) the easier it will be to attract both a quantity and a quality of women.

However you can lean on any of the pillars and use them to carry you if you're lacking in other areas. If your game is bad you can rely on LMS (assuming you can't simply improve your game)

At the very least you want at least 5/10 in every area. You don't want to be so actively poor at socializing with women that you blow golden opportunities by putting your foot in your mouth.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Ime game is more important than looks. I had women approach me consistently when I was 16-28. I was a virgin that entire time despite them throwing themselves at me. I had no game. That’s the reason

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I have heard that men who are not especially attractive need game to get any half decent looking girl, i would rate myself a 7/10 as my features fortunately are fairly regular and have inherited features from both my parents who had imo quite attractive family members. That said i would not say my looks have been a massive boost for getting intimate with girls as connecting with a girl i find a bit harder than connecting with fellow guys. Can you get girls without game and all the smooth jokes and vocal delivery?

If a woman finds a man physically unappealing, there is no amount of smooth jokes or vocal ability that can compensate for that.

 

[corsica]

Everyone is a 7/10.

Everybody is a little above average. Scale should be 1 out of 14 by now.

 

[SW15]

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Looks is the most important variable in conventional dating.

 

[Velasco]

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Looks is the most important variable in conventional dating.

No. It just means the guy's a pro at flirting. However that doesn't mean he can convert uninterested girls or even ALL girls that interested girls in him (sometimes life gets in the way). The claim pua makes.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Nothing is essential for attracting girls. There's broke fat annoying losers with wives above their league.

Obviously the more that you have of the 4 pillars (looks, money, status, game) the easier it will be to attract both a quantity and a quality of women.

However you can lean on any of the pillars and use them to carry you if you're lacking in other areas. If your game is bad you can rely on LMS (assuming you can't simply improve your game)

At the very least you want at least 5/10 in every area. You don't want to be so actively poor at socializing with women that you blow golden opportunities by putting your foot in your mouth.

I know actual incels. Things matter.

 

[devilkingx2]

I know actual incels. Things matter.

I see your point, I wouldn't recommend anybody try to pickup girls while unemployed or ugly or creepy. But it's not completely impossible.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I see your point, I wouldn't recommend anybody try to pickup girls while unemployed or ugly or creepy. But it's not completely impossible.

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