Why women date phoneys, con men, etc. (rant)

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I've been seeing a lot of threads lately on here talking about the black pill, self improvement, etc. I've been posting on here about how the "self improvement" advice of bettering your physique, career, money, etc. is really not that big of a game changer for the vast majority of men. Telling men to get in shape,or become uber successful is not a guaranteed recipe for success. There is one very big thing that I see that totally is a counter to this advice, which is women that date losers, phoneys, fakes, etc.

Here is some of my input on this;

Con men/phoneys
I'm going to start with a trend I've noticed over the last several years, and that is women seem to really go for men who heavily exaggerate themselves or even create entire fake personas. I partially blame this on social media, it's become a cultural norm to create this false image of yourself on Instagram for the world to see. Scam artists like Dan Bilzerian are the epitomy of this but you will see this with real world, everyday people. I personally get the feeling that women are drawn to these men because of the amount of attention they seem to garner and in their mind this means that these are "high status" men.

A couple examples

There was this guy in my area who was a "real estate expert" that would post all these exaggerated accomplishments on his social media. He was also a bodybuilder type who literally went on there and edited his photos to make it look like he was this huge, ripped guy. In reality, he was around 5'4" and looked like a completely average guy off the street. He really was just a regular real estate agent who also did these b.s home flipping seminars/workshops that they sell to gullible people. All of the people that this guy associated with were phoneys as well, though I questioned if they even were aware of it lol.


There was someone I used to know in my area who talked about having this highly successful company that he was running related to medical device sales. He used to constantly talk about this to just about anyone around him and it gave off a fake, salesman type vibe. He also used to have this on his tinder bio, which I felt was a tactic in order to appear higher status. I eventually found out that his parents paid everything for him (car, rent, groceries, etc.) and he mostly just spent the day playing video games, playing basketball, etc. I believe that this specific individual created this entire persona for a multitude of reasons, one of which being to appear more important than he actually was. This man would constantly go through a rotation of women that he'd meet, though they all gave off a desperate/insecure vibe and really couldn't see through the b.s.

I could cite many different examples but I don't want to turn this into an entire essay. In my opinion, I believe that women very often have an incredibly poor ability to filter out con men. Men overall seem to be quite good at spotting incompetence in other men, it's like we have an innate ability to quickly determine who is actual status/hierarchy. Men tend to pick up on who is the better worker, who is more reliable and who is competent compared to those that aren't. I feel this is an ability that women are often not very good at and is a reason they get themselves into trouble. The thing about con men is that they have enough charisma to the point where they can paint a really good picture of themselves and their abilities. Women fall for this because they often times become magnetically drawn to men that can create a fantasy world for them. Women will see these men as high status and not realize they are really falling for a complete ****ing loser lol. Women chase the thrill and excitement, Jeremy the electrician who is making bank in his trade job does not provide the same thrills as Dillon the con artist who in reality is a complete loser doing nothing with his life.

There's a reason why traditionally women didn't choose their own husbands on their own and would need the approval of family or perhaps even have an arranged marriage. These are foreign concepts to us in our modern western world, but this was the reality for thousands of years. Women very often make very poor choices in men.
 
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Women live in a fantasy world to begin with by preference. It would follow they would prefer more of that.
I was gonna say similar to this. It’s a rapport thing. Tony Robbins said that people like people who are like them (women are SO fake), or people who they want to be like.

question is: will faking shot make us more attractive and pull better pvssy?
 

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Who cares.

If men want to put on airs to get ***** then let them and if girls fall prey to that because of their own incompetence then let them, they hopefully learn a lesson in the process. Many women are actively well aware of the 'con' as you phrase it and still seek it out knowing fully well what is likely to entail. Women are far more perceptive than a lot of men realize and seduction and 'game' is built around this.

Let people do as they please, let them fail, let them succeed, let them learn.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Women live in a fantasy world to begin with by preference. It would follow they would prefer more of that.
I was gonna say similar to this. It’s a rapport thing. Tony Robbins said that people like people who are like them (women are SO fake), or people who they want to be like.

question is: will faking shot make us more attractive and pull better pvssy?
I think a good testament to this is that women seem to love following reality tv shows, celebrity gossip, royal weddings, etc. I feel women are obsessed with fantasy, this could be something like the ideal relationship or romantic partner, an extravagant wedding, an outlandish lifestyle, etc. It's that and also the attention that such things attract to them is something to be desired.
 

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Women are easy to manipulate. Social media makes it even easier.
Women definitely are more responsive to emotional manipulation tactics for sure compared to men on average. Trump could have the best policies in the world for instance but as soon as he is painted as a misogynist it's all over lol.
 

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I think a good testament to this is that women seem to love following reality tv shows, celebrity gossip, royal weddings, etc. I feel women are obsessed with fantasy, this could be something like the ideal relationship or romantic partner, an extravagant wedding, an outlandish lifestyle, etc. It's that and also the attention that such things attract to them is something to be desired.
If that’s true, then how do we go about doing it to make ourselves pull these women?
 

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Who cares.

If men want to put on airs to get ***** then let them and if girls fall prey to that because of their own incompetence then let them, they hopefully learn a lesson in the process. Many women are actively well aware of the 'con' as you phrase it and still seek it out knowing fully well what is likely to entail. Women are far more perceptive than a lot of men realize and seduction and 'game' is built around this.

Let people do as they please, let them fail, let them succeed, let them learn.
No they aren't lol. Why do you think there are so many single mothers out there in today's world? These are all women that chose loser men to not only date but actually get impregnated by lol. These women had such poor filters for selecting solid partners to the point where they ruined their own lives lol. These guys they are reproducing with aren't chads either like the black pill states lol, they are just men that know how to act a certain way to get what they want and these women can't see it for what it is. Not all women are like this, but many women seem to really fall for losers, in fact some even have a repetitive issue with this. Again, if you can spin a fantasy dream world you are set, this is what they become obsessed with.

Normal and decent guys often don't excite these women because they are "boring". They aren't literally boring, they just aren't spinning some bizarre narrative to these women. Jeremy the electrician is not boring or lacking "game", he's just not a conman phony that creates excitement.
 

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If that’s true, then how do we go about doing it to make ourselves pull these women?
In my opinion, this will depend upon the man's goal.

For me personally, I lack the personality traits to be able to ever pull this off, so it's not an option. I lack the personality traits necessary to be a player type because I am not able to spin a bunch of lies in order to appeal to the fantasy world of women.
 

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In my opinion, this will depend upon the man's goal.

For me personally, I lack the personality traits to be able to ever pull this off, so it's not an option. I lack the personality traits necessary to be a player type because I am not able to spin a bunch of lies in order to appeal to the fantasy world of women.
I’m not talking about lying perse but I did have an experience when I was 18 where I was just shooting the sh!t telling a woman I had 2 wives and just kept going off on it but she just fell for me harder and harder even tho I wasn’t being serious
 

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I’m not talking about lying perse but I did have an experience when I was 18 where I was just shooting the sh!t telling a woman I had 2 wives and just kept going off on it but she just fell for me harder and harder even tho I wasn’t being serious
What I'm trying to get at is the trend I've noticed with these "player" types is that more often than not there is nothing really backing these guys. One thing I've noticed is they seem to find a niche market of women that seems to work well for them. I'm not sure if this is something they are consciously aware of, but the women they seem to find are all relatively similar and they obviously appeal to them. I also think they have a knack for attracting very insecure and desperate women.

I feel that these men seem to also congregate with one another, where they feed into each other's b.s to the point where they all buy into it lol. This eventually becomes a reality and then this social circle they naturally attract others who are like them, eventually meet women that are like this, etc. These men are experiencing success in their dating lives, so it's a repetitive cycle that never ends. If it did NOT work, these men would have altered their game a long time ago.

This is something else that I believe that ties into this. I feel that the overall dating market is much more competitive now than it has ever been. I feel that these men do all of this stuff in order to stand out from other men in order to appear more attractive to women. Think about it, if your goal was to land a woman and your only real chance of increasing your chances was to exaggerate and lie about yourself in some fashion you'd probably do this to some degree.
 

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I don't think Dan Bilzerian is fa ke or a con men in what he does with women The most fakest thing about him was him saying he got his worth from playing high stakes poker, when in fact he was just a trust fund baby.

The dude played it smart. He utilized his money to create viral fame and then create the aura of being a playboy, and it served him well. He's probably slept with hundreds of model quality women and might be one of the very few men in our time that will have slept with 4 digits worth of women.

That being said I was never a fan of him because I had to earn all my sh.t
 

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I don't think Dan Bilzerian is fa ke or a con men in what he does with women The most fakest thing about him was him saying he got his worth from playing high stakes poker, when in fact he was just a trust fund baby.

The dude played it smart. He utilized his money to create viral fame and then create the aura of being a playboy, and it served him well. He's probably slept with hundreds of model quality women and might be one of the very few men in our time that will have slept with 4 digits worth of women.

That being said I was never a fan of him because I had to earn all my sh.t
I wasn't using Dan Bilzerian as an example of getting women, but more so that social media promotes the idea of becoming a scam artist with how your life is presented. Dan Bilzerian's father was actual a wal street con man and that went to prison and there is a lot of speculation that the money he has is from this being set aside, which I could totally see. He's a great example of the phoney social media thing I'm talking about though, he makes himself look jacked when he literally is a ****ing manlet with chicken legs......it's cringey to imagine being that fake at his age. He also was never a Navy SEAL, his story never added up.

Dan Bilzerian is an example of what is wrong with our modern society. All those women he's surrounded by are as fake and dumb as he is and only there because of his money. This man is a massive outlier, but many try to emulate this behavior in a way.
 

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What I'm trying to get at is the trend I've noticed with these "player" types is that more often than not there is nothing really backing these guys. One thing I've noticed is they seem to find a niche market of women that seems to work well for them. I'm not sure if this is something they are consciously aware of, but the women they seem to find are all relatively similar and they obviously appeal to them. I also think they have a knack for attracting very insecure and desperate women.

I feel that these men seem to also congregate with one another, where they feed into each other's b.s to the point where they all buy into it lol. This eventually becomes a reality and then this social circle they naturally attract others who are like them, eventually meet women that are like this, etc. These men are experiencing success in their dating lives, so it's a repetitive cycle that never ends. If it did NOT work, these men would have altered their game a long time ago.

This is something else that I believe that ties into this. I feel that the overall dating market is much more competitive now than it has ever been. I feel that these men do all of this stuff in order to stand out from other men in order to appear more attractive to women. Think about it, if your goal was to land a woman and your only real chance of increasing your chances was to exaggerate and lie about yourself in some fashion you'd probably do this to some degree.
Of course, I’m of the e opinion that a man who DOESNT try to impress the females will stand out Even more. Like Taylor Swift says: “some guys are trying too hard, he don’t try at all tho”
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I wasn't using Dan Bilzerian as an example of getting women, but more so that social media promotes the idea of becoming a scam artist with how your life is presented. Dan Bilzerian's father was actual a wal street con man and that went to prison and there is a lot of speculation that the money he has is from this being set aside, which I could totally see. He's a great example of the phoney social media thing I'm talking about though, he makes himself look jacked when he literally is a ****ing manlet with chicken legs......it's cringey to imagine being that fake at his age. He also was never a Navy SEAL, his story never added up.

Dan Bilzerian is an example of what is wrong with our modern society. All those women he's surrounded by are as fake and dumb as he is and only there because of his money. This man is a massive outlier, but many try to emulate this behavior in a way.
I don't know man. I just don't tend to focus too hard on these kind of things or people. If it doesn't interest me, I dont focus on it. I like to primarily focus on things taht are important or influential to me or my hobbies. I just know enough because it's practically pop culture.. and it's good to stay in tune with pop culture since it makes you more relatable as a person.
 

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I don't know man. I just don't tend to focus too hard on these kind of things or people. If it doesn't interest me, I dont focus on it. I like to primarily focus on things taht are important or influential to me or my hobbies. I just know enough because it's practically pop culture.. and it's good to stay in tune with pop culture since it makes you more relatable as a person.
Again, he was just an example of how social media is used in our society, not the focus of this thread.
 

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I dont agree or disagree, but bottom line is who cares? just be yourself. you want a woman who wants the real you not the fake you. if a woman wants a douchebag then she needs to keep looking because that's not me.
 

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This “trend” as you call it has been around for a lot longer than the last several years. Yes, women are drawn to phoneys, con men and liars. And there is a VERY simple explanation for that.

Women are creatures of emotion (men are too, but to a lesser extent). They like men who make them feel, as opposed to men who make them think. And con men are, by definition, emotional manipulators. It’s a simple as that.
 

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@sangheilios your mindset is why you fail with women.

It is why you post 'rants' under the pretense of discussion. It is why you are "6'4 ripped guy with a big schlong" (or so you say) who tells others to not improve because he is "top tier" yet hasn't been successful. It is why you continuously get called out for a victim mindset which aligns with typical 'blackpill rhetoric'. You don't get it and it seems you are really keen on not getting it.

Nuance is needed


Attempting to place things in such a logical framework is likely why one fails with women.

Thinking in black and white will not help you in your endeavors with women. Coming from a place of rationality may help create a foundational palette to choose from, but women, sex and life is so much more colorful and complex than just black and white.

If you continue to paint monochromatically you are not going to see the potentially vivid full spectrum of colors on your canvas.

I've been posting on here about how the "self improvement" advice of bettering your physique, career, money, etc. is really not that big of a game changer for the vast majority of men.
You improve because you want to improve.

(You may or may not attract people into your lives as a result of doing so...)

If you aim to improve for the sake of others' approval then you are already losing. Can you choose to better yourself in an attempt to receive attention from those you desire? Certainly, but if that is the sole motivator behind one’s actions then you are already in a failing outcome dependent mindset.

I don't get up and lift weights to get chicks, I do it for me at the end of the day. Can it have the benefit of making me more attractive to women? Yes and I am well aware of that added boon, but I do not get upset when getting more fit does not garner me more women. Same thing for when I desire to learn a new skill, practice something or undertake a new challenge.

Regardless of gender, I take exception to ANYONE who discourages those from wanting to better themselves in any capacity


Telling men to get in shape,or become uber successful is not a guaranteed recipe for success. .
Nothing in life is a guarantee, but the only guarantee for failure is to stop trying!

Many people today want to find a remedy that solves their problems.

A telegraphed step by step solution to get what they want out of life. They attempt to do the things they are ‘supposed’ to do and when they don’t see results they blame the process. This binary literalist mindset cannot and should not be applied in this manner.

Some guys are skeptical of the core components of seduction and in turn the validity of game. They oppose many of the constructs of game (such as controlling perception and making extensive use of social skills). Here It seems you reduce game to nothing more than a 'con' through putting on airs and engaging in what you deem as manipulation. You also very clearly admonish those that excel in these regards and clearly think of them as 'lesser' than you

There is one very big thing that I see that totally is a counter to this advice, which is women that date losers, phoneys, fakes, etc.
You underestimate both men and women here while placing/redirecting blame.

Your post comes across as self righteous whilst rationalizing away your own failings with women by referring to those who are 'sexually successful' as 'phonies, con men and players'.... In other words quite the AFC behavior. :whistle: :ninja:

I find your insights interesting at times and you are clearly an intelligent individual who thinks very deeply, but this is veiled with bitterness and what I can only assume is envy.

I've seen this in many of your posts and I am just calling it for what I see.

Necessity is not virtuous and placing blame is a demonstration in lacking accountability. Getting upset when you improve yourself and do not succeed with your desired outcome is self defeating/limiting. Engage in all the 'discussion' (mental mastubation) you want, but the underlying agenda reads clear as day.


"You may succeed in making another feel guilty about something by blaming them,
but you won't succeed in changing whatever it is about you that is making you unhappy.

-Wayne Dyer
 
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