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Ok bros, this is how it is. Now its 2023 and we have this dating and relationships thing in the modern world for near enough 50 years. After all this all we can see and say is that it is all falling down. It looks like a low point and there is no way out other and than a complete re-think of male female relationships. I am gonna tell you the problems and possible solution to all this.

Problem: The traditional marriage system, money, beta males, negativitiy, simps, immorality, chaos, individualism etc.

This is what is happening. At the highest elite level of society men and women are supposed to work together to build Civilization, Society, A tribe, a community etc. Here the romantic long term relationships between quality men and women hold groups together that causes social groups to form, that causes tribes to form that causes communities to form.

Family: This is for WOMEN ONLY. There is no such thing as Paternity. Only women have children. A 'family' is just a woman and her relatives, usually just her children. So a matriarch ie grandmother with her male and female children, and the children of her female children.

Tribe/Community: This is for MEN. Fatherhood, Paternity only applies to tribes. Men DO NOT contribute to families, only to tribes.

Tribe>Family. A Tribe has many families and those families are the children of women. Women will care about individual children. Men will care about the tribe and the tribe will care for all the families in the tribe.

The current problem is that men are being seen as providers for families and women. To some traditionalist this looks like a good concept but it is deeply flawed. This concept is causing EVERY woman to see her main aim in romantic interactions to lock a man down and get him to provide for her financially and in other ways. The reasons this doesnt work.

Inflation: Now that women are working but they still want their husband to work and be a provider. This causes both partners to work usually full-time and causes inflation in house prices etc.

Men being used: This is the biggest problem. Women are trying to be too clever but reall they are too stupid. Every woman thinks she has the Game level to lock down a high-quality man into a marriage/monogamy/nuclear famliy system. This is the main aim of women.

Therefore, no matter what you do or how good you are, when interacting with women, they will always be seeing you as some guy to use and manipulate into getting them a marriage, children and a house.

After you as a man provide all this you will lose your masculinity and confidence and she will discard you once she doesnt need your resources.

The Biggest problem: All efforts and work and energy produced by men who are working hard and struggling in this system is just neing sucked into a black-hole of consumption, housing, cars, holidays, suburbia etc basically all the energy of men is going into the hands of women who are just wasting it all.

Many women in the West have lots of money and resources and still suck in more from men. Where is it all going? It is all being wasted. In the chaos and game-playing of domestic asset accumulation men and women are just being manipulated by the ultimate PIMP the Capitalist system.

Because Men are so weak due to having to work and get jobs to provide for demanding women, men cannot spend time and energy on improving the society they live in. Men are supposed to improve society for the benefit of women and everyone.

For men, the biggest lesson is DONT PROVIDE FOR WOMEN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Money is the biggest corrupter of women. In traditional folkore it was The Apple or The Pear that caused the downfall of women and humanity. The apple just refers to Wealth. Wealth is the biggest corruptor of Women hence it is important not to give women anything.

If a woman likes you she should want your LEADERSHIP not your work, money or suffering. NEVER PAY WOMEN not with money, not with effort, not with suffering.

There is nothing wrong with MGTOW to being alone and not engaging with women. Women are lame and not worth much interaction tbh. For high-quality guys with high Game they know that womens Game is too low, as it basically revolves around trying to lock a man down which is very pathetic and low and feeble to a high quality guy.

My Game level is so high IDGAF about women as I have already reached the highest currently possible level of Game. No woman I know has experienced higher Game than what I provided. She can never get this from any provider guy.

For all the women who are playing this Game, trying to lock a guy down into providing, none of them are happy long term. They are not happy, their friends are not happy, their sisters are not happy, their mothers not happy, their sons not happy, their daughters not happy. For the common woman in the current society this Game is futile she can never win cos no one is winning. For the Alpha like myself there is great happiness and satisfaction in the reclusive life, away from the misery and futility of female weak Game. I have nothing to learn or gain from women for I have elevated my Game to a level where I no longer need women other than as a Pimp. I dont need sex, love or companionship from women, but all those things they need from me.

In the current iteration of male-female dynamics there is nothing more to learn or understand. GAME cannot be taught it has to be experienced. There is no Game in being a provider. A provider is not a leader. A trick is not a Pimp. A husband is a beta male. Do not be a provider. DO NOT THINK YOU WILL ELEVATE YOURSELF ABOVE A REAL ALPHA BY BEING A PLAYER AND HAVING HIGH NOTCHES. There is no other path to being Alpha or Pimp than this path I walked. No other way.

SUMMARY: ATM the market is just women trying to extract/manipulate/marry/lock-down men. This is a losing strategy for society, for Game, for Love, for Civilization. DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME MEN. Women do not have enough value for REAL MEN to want this life. As a (REAL) ALPHA man your job is to LEAD Civilzation/Tribe/Community for THE MANY not the few (1 woman and a couple of kids).
 

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Bro , I hear ya

But men are the ones who f8cked it up big time

Look at the corporations , the most toxic environment known to mankind . Who ran it and still run them ? Men

Then the corporation brainwashe people and end up in this ;)
 

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Forget the past, what seems like long term is only short term when looked at from a real historical perspective.

Real men will know now there is no point playing this game in front of you of trying to be successful in the current order. You will be used and abused by the order that cannot produce happiness for itself, or for men or women.

All roads in the current order lead to emptiness and chaos.

Therefore, men must exit the system and stop fuelling it with their work and effort.
 

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Dudes, since time began, have been looked upon as providers. Providing food, shelter and protection. As time progressed and duties changed, so has it for both dudes and females. With society and technology, more females are able to take care of themselves and with the safety nets in place, the need for shelter, food and security have also been removed. With the females now procreating with anyone and anything, they also receive child support and there is little consequence on their actions. No dudes in the home to raise the children, then there is no strong male influence, and then you have a division of weak dudes.

This generation of females, in general, are more aggressive and masculine than man dudes. It's pathetic. Doubtful anything will be changing anytime soon. It seems the Muslims and Orthodox Jews have their females in place, but not so much for everyone else.
 

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Dudes, since time began, have been looked upon as providers. Providing food, shelter and protection. As time progressed and duties changed, so has it for both dudes and females. With society and technology, more females are able to take care of themselves and with the safety nets in place, the need for shelter, food and security have also been removed. With the females now procreating with anyone and anything, they also receive child support and there is little consequence on their actions. No dudes in the home to raise the children, then there is no strong male influence, and then you have a division of weak dudes.

This generation of females, in general, are more aggressive and masculine than man dudes. It's pathetic. Doubtful anything will be changing anytime soon. It seems the Muslims and Orthodox Jews have their females in place, but not so much for everyone else.
No, its all a lie. Men can only provide collectively not individually. That means Men -> Collective/Tribe/Community -> Women/Children. What we have been told is Men->Women/Children. This wont work.

Currently men are doing Men->Women but women are making it Men>Women>Capitalism/Consumption/Inflation. This is why as men giving to women all that effort and work is being wasted and swallowed up in meaningless consumption.

So if men want to have women around in any capacity, they will have to work with the collective that produces a Civilization. Currently men are trying to go it alone but that will not work.

Men will need to become collective and build **** to attract women, at the moment men are not doing that they are just trying to make money and get women in this system without any deeper strategy or knowledge which is just making them victims and they will lose.

ONLY Civilization/The Order/Tribe/Community or an Alpha Male can provide enough value to attract, keep and gain respect and sincerity from women. Because men do not respect the correct order and are trying to win in the current order everything is their fault and every failure and outcome their own doing.

Now men should forget about women and this current system, and build a new social order, that will benefit them in the long term. For sure there is no way to win in this system only passive beta guys who are happy to be workers and be married can be happy but those men cannot make women happy so whichever way it is looked at the end result is the same. Everyone will follow the Alpha Civilixation Builders, Alpha/Civilization/Social Order < Women < Beta Males.

Women only has 2 uses. 1 is to learn Game. The Pimps said so and I know from eperience, all men learn Game from women. But some Men, the Best ones, the Alphas, transcend the female level of Game and then their Game level is higher than women. Those men are desired by women and only they can build the social order needed by women. 2 is to build Society, women can be used to build a social order by the Alpha Males, as women help Alpha males and leaders control Beta Males for the benefit of the social roder. Without this order women will suffer and be unhappy. For that order to emerge women are going to have to be sincere. This order will attract women and for other orindary guys who are just workers they will need to respect this order to have access to it and the women in it.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Women only has 2 uses. 1 is to learn Game. The Pimps said so and I know from eperience, all men learn Game from women. But some Men, the Best ones, the Alphas, transcend the female level of Game and then their Game level is higher than women. Those men are desired by women and only they can build the social order needed by women. 2 is to build Society, women can be used to build a social order by the Alpha Males, as women help Alpha males and leaders control Beta Males for the benefit of the social roder. Without this order women will suffer and be unhappy. For that order to emerge women are going to have to be sincere. This order will attract women and for other orindary guys who are just workers they will need to respect this order to have access to it and the women in it.
Hehe - Smart guy

Good summary

The order is changing now though , and it will be chaos , as the old order it is not being replaced with anything of value just chaos

But funny how the children of the elite for example all get married young , have plenty of kids and so on

The elite keep the values while for the common people they try ( and were quite successful ) to remove them and replace them with anything but chaos
 

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Adapt or die like anything else.
Fixing the system is the better solution. Can't keep adapting when the rate of change keeps increasing, especially when an increasing rate of change is built into the system itself.
 

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You can't change the world.. what you can do is start by changing you.

No matter what era it is in society, there are people who see negative/have it hard in some areas of life and complain, while others feel they have it easy and enjoy the life..

The biggest thing is, some people learn to navigate with the changes, and others don't. When I look at the world, I tend to focus on the positive.. and i mostly consume stuff thats positive. I dont pay attention to the negative because it doesnt resonate with me.

I really have it good in alot of ways.. I think im living most men's dream life.. But, I still have things that I feel I need to work on.. and I knwo that no matter how far I get in life, as humans, we have a way of pushing the goal post further and further.. Its our innate nature to desire and want more and to improve and change and evolve. The way I was 10 years ago and things I valued are not the same as now. and the things i value and the way I am today might be different in some ways 10 years from now.
 

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The current problem is that men are being seen as providers for families and women. To some traditionalist this looks like a good concept but it is deeply flawed. This concept is causing EVERY woman to see her main aim in romantic interactions to lock a man down and get him to provide for her financially and in other ways. The reasons this doesnt work.

Inflation: Now that women are working but they still want their husband to work and be a provider. This causes both partners to work usually full-time and causes inflation in house prices etc.
Families are adapting to central bank printing and mass immigration

Therefore, no matter what you do or how good you are, when interacting with women, they will always be seeing you as some guy to use and manipulate into getting them a marriage, children and a house.
People are being manipulated by social engineers to see other people as objects. It's not just limited to women seeing men as material providers.

The Biggest problem: All efforts and work and energy produced by men who are working hard and struggling in this system is just neing sucked into a black-hole of consumption, housing, cars, holidays, suburbia etc basically all the energy of men is going into the hands of women who are just wasting it all.

Many women in the West have lots of money and resources and still suck in more from men. Where is it all going? It is all being wasted. In the chaos and game-playing of domestic asset accumulation men and women are just being manipulated by the ultimate PIMP the Capitalist system.

Because Men are so weak due to having to work and get jobs to provide for demanding women, men cannot spend time and energy on improving the society they live in. Men are supposed to improve society for the benefit of women and everyone.
The problem isn't capitalism. The root of the problem is the idea that external authorities are there to benefit people. People do not developed their rational faculty enough, so they are prone to be manipulated by the social engineers.

If a woman likes you she should want your LEADERSHIP not your work, money or suffering. NEVER PAY WOMEN not with money, not with effort, not with suffering.
I agree 100% of this... to the extent that the women is of a child/animal mind, which is basically all women are pretty well into.

People who cannot command themselves are cognitively deficient. Since these people don't lead themselves, they have to be led, which is most people.
 

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I’m all for women‘s rights, feminism, sleeping around like men, not needing a man, being single forever, not being virgins, climbing the corporate ladder.

As long as she gives birth to a healthy child first. Once a woman gives birth, she can do whatever the hell she wants. But giving women legal and financial power BEFORE they get married and give birth…ahh, that is were society messed up.
 

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No, its all a lie. Men can only provide collectively not individually. That means Men -> Collective/Tribe/Community -> Women/Children. What we have been told is Men->Women/Children. This wont work.

Currently men are doing Men->Women but women are making it Men>Women>Capitalism/Consumption/Inflation. This is why as men giving to women all that effort and work is being wasted and swallowed up in meaningless consumption.

So if men want to have women around in any capacity, they will have to work with the collective that produces a Civilization. Currently men are trying to go it alone but that will not work.

Men will need to become collective and build **** to attract women, at the moment men are not doing that they are just trying to make money and get women in this system without any deeper strategy or knowledge which is just making them victims and they will lose.

ONLY Civilization/The Order/Tribe/Community or an Alpha Male can provide enough value to attract, keep and gain respect and sincerity from women. Because men do not respect the correct order and are trying to win in the current order everything is their fault and every failure and outcome their own doing.

Now men should forget about women and this current system, and build a new social order, that will benefit them in the long term. For sure there is no way to win in this system only passive beta guys who are happy to be workers and be married can be happy but those men cannot make women happy so whichever way it is looked at the end result is the same. Everyone will follow the Alpha Civilixation Builders, Alpha/Civilization/Social Order < Women < Beta Males.

Women only has 2 uses. 1 is to learn Game. The Pimps said so and I know from eperience, all men learn Game from women. But some Men, the Best ones, the Alphas, transcend the female level of Game and then their Game level is higher than women. Those men are desired by women and only they can build the social order needed by women. 2 is to build Society, women can be used to build a social order by the Alpha Males, as women help Alpha males and leaders control Beta Males for the benefit of the social roder. Without this order women will suffer and be unhappy. For that order to emerge women are going to have to be sincere. This order will attract women and for other orindary guys who are just workers they will need to respect this order to have access to it and the women in it.
I think you have good traditional thoughts, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Can't put the genie back in the bottle.
 
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