Does game even exist for a high value man?

[Atom Smasher]

Game is training wheels. It helps a man to get started on the path to social development
Once everything clicks, “game” is no longer necessary as you yourself become the game.
You’re a leader. You're bold, confident, have good body language, are self-amused and create a fun, light vibe for others, and most of all, you completely and utterly DGAF about who likes you or not. You have no problem whatsoever putting women in their place. There’s no game to be played at this point. You are perceived as HV because it radiates from you permanently.

 

[zekko]

Game is training wheels. It helps a man to get started on the path to social development

I've always liked that particular way of looking at it, as opposed to the "Looks, money, status, game - have all, but the most important is game" school of thought. As you say, you have to become the game. It is better to become authentically attractive than it is to fake it long enough to hopefully land someone in bed.

Of course, this begs the question "What is game?". I've always thought of it as the way you interact with women, especially with regard to creating attraction and getting what you want. Others might see it as a bag of psychological tricks that you can use to manipulate women, because of your knowledge of sociosexual dynamics. Anyone else have another definition?

 

[Atom Smasher]

I often think of game as an offshoot of the art of influence. To make our way in the world, we need to study that art and implement its precepts. I think that many men consider the art of influence to be “manipulation”, but I usually disagree. It is possible to become overly manipulative, but I think a well-balanced man does well to learn and practice this art. Look at any powerful person and you see that being influential is a big part of their core.
So I think of “game” as really a part of an overall mastery of influence.

 

[FlirtLife]

Ask yourself if every reply in this thread comes from a high value man. Food for thought.

I claim that in high school I had 8-9 looks and flirting skill, believe that or not as you like. I remember a couple times where the hottest girl in class was interested in me because of my looks. The girls who had a crush on me were all or mostly girls I flirted with ("game").

 

[zekko]

I often think of game as an offshoot of the art of influence. To make our way in the world, we need to study that art and implement its precepts. I think that many men consider the art of influence to be “manipulation”, but I usually disagree. It is possible to become overly manipulative, but I think a well-balanced man does well to learn and practice this art. Look at any powerful person and you see that being influential is a big part of their core.
So I think of “game” as really a part of an overall mastery of influence.

Interesting.

 

[MatureDJ]

Looks get your foot in the door ...

It's OVER for Can'tGetFootInTheDoorCels.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

High value man is not subjective
Especially in a big city
It’s extremely objective.
Average men live in average neighbourhoods, go to average restaurants, average clubs, do average things with average people, take average holidays and have average live trajectories. If they learn game (social confidence) and go out multiple times a week, they can occasionally hook up with average girls. After investing many months/years into going out or social circle networking, they meet a girl that is slightly above average and settle with her in a tit-for-tat relationship - which either ends in divorce or stale situation where she has all the power

the male social sphere is a competition for -
influence money and looks
The gap between the have and have nots is huge
Being a high value male is reflected in the calibre of woman you attract and how willing she is to operate on your terms

PUA’s often sell dreams to average men (or teach social skills to men with low self esteem), and gain influence and money whilst doing so, which turns the PUA into a high value man (multimillionaire with fame and influence)

to actually attract and hook up with beautiful women and model type girls, frequently, a man must objectively be high value - which is a combination of looks, money, fame, influence, image, social mobility etc which cannot be faked and cannot be ‘easily learned’…takes years of focus, purpose etc or just an extremely lucky situation eg born into good looks and a good social circle

social media changed the game because before instagram it was easier for men to fake their value - they could lie about being busy, important, have skills etc. now women can find real high value men easier by verifying the evidence on their instagrams