Women are your true companions. Men aren’t your friends.

[Murk]

OP's problem is he hasn't lived long enough, hasn't made enough true friends, and hasn't been in enough relationships with real women (and no, sexdolls are not counted as real women), and most importantly, hasn't gone out enough.

By 30 your chance of making true friends is slim. True friends are usually made in childhood, your teens and 20s, where real bonds are formed. Some people are just not good at making friends, it's a lack of self-awareness, EQ, and ultimately character defects that haven't been worked on. To start reinventing yourself and becoming a tolerable outgoing person in your 30s seems like a stretch. Settling down and tormenting your wife and kids seems a common choice for degenerates, we see it all the time.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

All of these assumptions …
as I said, hyper success breeds envy.
Are you earning 6* figures? Are you good looking? Tall? Do you lead an enviable lifestyle?
If the answer is no then you can’t relate to what I’m saying.
Before I attained massive success I was surrounded by friends just like you. after I got richer, better looking, a level of fame etc is when I realised men don’t want you better than them
Robert green does indeed allude to this throughout the 48 laws

 

[Grounded eagle]

when you get good with women, you start to inspire true devotion from them… and a woman in love with you is more loyal than any ‘male friend’ will be for you. Women push you to dress better; eat better, be more social, pursue your hobbies.

The truth is,when you get into a relationship with a woman she will become preoccupied with playing house.They then try to mould their men into something that they were not originally,and this,ironically,makes them less attracted to their men.They become at odds with a lot of the things that attracted her to him in the first place.

How many times have we seen women giving men ultimatums,especially ultimatums regarding their interests,hobbies and even their purpose sometimes? “If you go out to hang with the boys tonight I’ll be mad!” “If you watch the game instead of spending time with me,I’ll be mad!” Heck,we,not long ago saw Giselle leave Tom Brady because he chose his purpose over her and wouldn’t retire!

Men respect whoever holds power over them; but power is constantly shifting and inherently unstable. So what use is chasing respect from other men? I’d rather earn the respect of women because it’s attached to the emotion of love, even if temporary

Love as we’ve always known it has been repeatedly debunked.Also,appreciate the irony of calling respect temporary(false)but preferring love,which is also temporary.

 

[Stanley]

Robert green does indeed allude to this throughout the 48 laws

There is no way in hell you read the entirety of the 48 laws or interpreted it in a meaningful way.

Much of what you are saying is in stark contrast to Greene's message in relation to power. You are extrapolating what you see fit to 'support' this odd argument you are having which is a projection of your own inability to garner true meaningful friendships and applying the filter of gender to justify it. Just stop. You do not sound intelligent taking an author out of context to fit your own narrative.

All of these assumptions …

Dude, your entire post and rhetoric is based on assumptions of your own that you then decided to make a post on that would no doub't be controversial. What did you expect when people come and disagree? You come across as someone who has little applied knowledge and read some book on women for dummies and thinks they're the all knowing messiah of poon and intersexual dynamics. Why not try and combat those that oppose your views instead of deflecting and making false correlations and dismissing them?

Are you earning 6* figures? Are you good looking? Tall? Do you lead an enviable lifestyle?
If the answer is no then you can’t relate to what I’m saying.
Before I attained massive success I was surrounded by friends just like you. after I got richer, better looking, a level of fame etc is when I realised men don’t want you better than them

My god we gotta narcissist in here. Chill with the 'humble' flex brah, you got your internet points for the day already.

"If you don't meet my blank criteria you are disqualified from expressing opinions on my post because you wouldn't 'get it"

How do you know of this "friends just like you"? Do you personally know Mr @Grounded eagle? The answer is no. Quit basing an argument on ill founded assumptions. I have a hard time believing you are 30 given you sound like you are wet behind the ears still. I dislike arguing and fighting with anyone on this board like a reddit thread, but I don't like you making sweeping remarks that men shouldn't embrace brotherhood and companionship.

That is what is sorely missing in many young men's lives nowadays, masculinity.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Nietzsche said the driving emotion behind most people is resentment

There is no way in hell you read the entirety of the 48 laws or interpreted it in a meaningful way.

Much of what you are saying is in stark contrast to Greene's message in relation to power. You are extrapolating what you see fit to 'support' this odd argument you are having which is a projection of your own inability to garner true meaningful friendships and applying the filter of gender to justify it. Just stop. You do not sound intelligent taking an author out of context to fit your own narrative.


Dude, your entire post and rhetoric is based on assumptions of your own that you then decided to make a post on that would no doub't be controversial. What did you expect when people come and disagree? You come across as someone who has little applied knowledge and read some book on women for dummies and thinks they're the all knowing messiah of poon and intersexual dynamics. Why not try and combat those that oppose your views instead of deflecting and making false correlations and dismissing them?


My god we gotta narcissist in here. Chill with the 'humble' flex brah, you got your internet points for the day already.

"If you don't meet my blank criteria you are disqualified from expressing opinions on my post because you wouldn't 'get it"

How do you know of this "friends just like you"? Do you personally know Mr @Grounded eagle? The answer is no. Quit basing an argument on ill founded assumptions. I have a hard time believing you are 30 given you sound like you are wet behind the ears still. I dislike arguing and fighting with anyone on this board like a reddit thread, but I don't like you making sweeping remarks that men shouldn't embrace brotherhood and companionship.

That is what is sorely missing in many young men's lives nowadays, masculinity.

Bro I’m just sharing my experiences. The brotherhood thing only lasts if you don’t outshine your brothers. If you win in many categories, and you are happy and feel good about yourself and have no problem expressing it, people around you who aren’t crushing it are gonna resent you. Its common sense

Robert greene -When you show yourself to the world and display your talents, you naturally stir all kinds of resentment, envy, and other manifestations of insecurity

 

[lost_blackbird]

not my experience but opinions are like arseholes...

I do love to see the word arse spelt correctly.

By 30 your chance of making true friends is slim. True friends are usually made in childhood, your teens and 20s, where real bonds are formed. Some people are just not good at making friends, it's a lack of self-awareness, EQ, and ultimately character defects that haven't been worked on. To start reinventing yourself and becoming a tolerable outgoing person in your 30s seems like a stretch. Settling down and tormenting your wife and kids seems a common choice for degenerates, we see it all the time.

This is true in my experience, in my attempts to be 'normal' I have been known to go out of my comfort zone
and be overtly social, becoming a regular in bars and the like and sure enough have picked up 'friends' along
the way to the extent where one person came up to me and said 'I really like your bar', assuming that I owned it.
During that period I increased my contacts by about 20 people who I honestly had very little in common with,
mostly on instagram where I have the worlds dullest account. For a while they would acknowledge my occasional
and random posts but one by one they dropped off until about half remained. As an experiment I started posting
shorts on my story that reflected that I was having a tough time which was indeed the case, I was just shining a
light on it. Not one 'are you okay bro?' or any contact whatsoever from my 'friends' to see if I was alright. It
really justifies the 'Nobody cares' meme because they don't. Not one of them came through and wished me Merry
Christmas and I know for sure none of them will have anything to say when I turn 50 in 6 weeks either. I have
absolutely nobody to celebrate that with and will spend the day alone doing entirely unremarkable things.
I'm not mad, it's what I expected but it's still sad that I was right. At least my family could give a sh!t, I've just
had a lovely weekend with Mum, Sister and her kids. That's filled me up for a while.

 

[kavi]

Yeah female 'company' is usually much better than male company. Most guys are simps and wont recognise Game but all women recognise Game. Spending positive time with women, without the drama and the negativity that comes from relationships, can be much better than time spend with men. When men can interact with women positively, evne without romantic relationships or sex, it does make men feel better and relieve stress and loneliness. Female friends within a community is the best thing for most men. Men really 'come down' and relax when they are in a positive stable social group with women.

But for the average guy, he will try to get the woman into a physical relationship asap and then she will bring drama and manipulation into it. It is very hard to socialise with women without getting into the game-playing or manipulation part that comes when feelings get involved.

Theres nothing better to calm down and lose stress and feel secure than having good women around but its tough to keep it stable cos at that point either the woman wants a relationship with you and creates extra 'tension' or she doesnt and wont socialise with you.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

My guess is that OP has a very limited experience with women. He should go out there and get the full female package.

Get into a LTR, live under one roof for a couple of years, wife her up, get a kid or two and then we continue this conversation.


Men that cant get along with other men and prefer in general the company of female "friends" are usually weak ass beta males that project their own inadequacies on other men and are afraid to be in a masculine environment. Men like that are not trustworthy to be friends with and need to be cut loose.


Men will not resent you because you have money, but they will resent you if you are an untrustworthy arse.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

My guess is that OP has a very limited experience with women. He should go out there and get the full female package.

Get into a LTR, live under one roof for a couple of years, wife her up, get a kid or two and then we continue this conversation.


Men that cant get along with other men and prefer in general the company of female "friends" are usually weak ass beta males that project their own inadequacies on other men and are afraid to be in a masculine environment. Men like that are not trustworthy to be friends with and need to be cut loose.


Men will not resent you because you have money, but they will resent you if you are an untrustworthy arse.

beta male but I’m dating 3 8/10s in their early 20s and earn 6figs? Lol

I will admit I don’t do LTRs, i like dealing with women when they are in the infatuation phase

pretty much every successful man talks about haters…if u don’t experience it you’re probably mediocre af

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Nietzsche said the driving emotion behind most people is resentment
Bro I’m just sharing my experiences. The brotherhood thing only lasts if you don’t outshine your brothers. If you win in many categories, and you are happy and feel good about yourself and have no problem expressing it, people around you who aren’t crushing it are gonna resent you. Its common sense
Robert greene -When you show yourself to the world and display your talents, you naturally stir all kinds of resentment, envy, and other manifestations of insecurity

Dude, you're 30 - roflcopter - seriously, man, you're too young to know that you're too young to opine on this shiite. Listen to your elders. In my case, I'm talking about a career where I earned 300 BASE, just BASE; the men I speak of were in their 30s and early forties, earning a fraction less. So yes, after you add ISO's, RSU's, and bonuses averaging 30% of the base, we were all well-heeled; we are highly intelligent and complete outliers in many ways - money was never an issue to any of us, EXCELLENCE AND PERFORMING WELL AS A TEAM WAS.

Anyway, I'll repeat it, I hope that as you grow older, you experience that which I and others here have, that you gain real male friends, and that you guys kick ass together in ways you couldn't with a chick - WHY? Because of Ladder Theory.

This is kind of like the Dunning-Kreuger conundrum...but I digress.

And spare me the Nietzsche allegories.

Not impressed - pfft.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Dude, you're 30 - roflcopter - seriously, man, you're too young to know that you're too young to opine on this shiite. Listen to your elders. In my case, I'm talking about a career where I earned 300 BASE, just BASE; the men I speak of were in their 30s and early forties, earning a fraction less. So yes, after you add ISO's, RSU's, and bonuses averaging 30% of the base, we were all well-heeled; we are highly intelligent and complete outliers in many ways - money was never an issue to any of us, EXCELLENCE AND PERFORMING WELL AS A TEAM WAS.

Anyway, I'll repeat it, I hope that as you grow older, you experience that which I and others here have, that you gain real male friends, and that you guys kick ass together in ways you couldn't with a chick - WHY? Because of Ladder Theory.

This is kind of like the Dunning-Kreuger conundrum...but I digress.

And spare me the Nietzsche allegories.

Not impressed - pfft.

i hear you and I wish it was true. I’m just speaking from my experience. So what’s ur advice for meeting guys with a similar mentality as me? Who wont hate on me making money and dating girls 10 years younger? Most 30 yos I know are letting themselves go already

 

[Murk]

pretty much every successful man talks about haters…if u don’t experience it you’re probably mediocre af

Stop watching podcasts and youtube videos and get in the real world you fraud.

Haters come with life, you get haters in school, college, work, social circle. Nobody really cares about you bro.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

i hear you and I wish it was true. I’m just speaking from my experience. So what’s ur advice for meeting guys with a similar mentality as me? Who wont hate on me making money and dating girls 10 years younger? Most 30 yos I know are letting themselves go already

Brother, surround yourself with men of excellence, look into mentorship programs where good men prop up their mentees, they’re out there.

If you’re a leader and want to surround yourself with leaders join a Toastmasters group, or take collegiate level public speaking classes. Join a big brothers program - you’ll meet men that are out to improve the world - just a few ideas.

Be humble.

Don’t look to men your age for sage advice - yea there are outliers - but they are rare, seek the company of men who gets shyte done, men you admire, they will typically be older than you.

Everything with time, it’s on your side.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Brother, surround yourself with men of excellence, look into mentorship programs where good men prop up their mentees, they’re out there.

If you’re a leader and want to surround yourself with leaders join a Toastmasters group, or take collegiate level public speaking classes. Join a big brothers program - you’ll meet men that are out to improve the world - just a few ideas.

Be humble.

Don’t look to men your age for sage advice - yea there are outliers - but they are rare, seek the company of men who gets shyte done, men you admire, they will typically be older than you.

Everything with time, it’s on your side.

Here is the issue I have - being humble is the opposite of attracting women…if I flex, act obnoxious etc I get hotter women. I’ve experimented for years and acting loud, flashy, and outshining other men is what gets the 18-23 year old hot girls chasing me. Being humble makes them think ‘another regular guy’…but being obnoxious makes them think ‘high status superstar’ … I don’t want to loose women to gain male friends … thoughts?

 

[Modern Man Advice]

Let's see how well this post ages...

Just wait for it...

PS: I do agree, however, there are a lot of "black pill" comments and statements in the manosphere community in general. Becoming jaded towards women will only add to the problem.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Are you a simp diplomat?

women want the best for you. It’s women that we need to cherish.

Women don't care about men's struggles. They want a man who's self made, they don't care how he got there, they just want the final result. Some will stick with a man if they see potential in him, and encourage him along the way, but will still leave at the drop of a hat if they see any weakness in him.

It’s actually other men that want to hold you down and are never truly your friends. Because in reality; all men are in competition with each other; this is the essence of masculinity. it’s man vs man for the women, so deep down men can never truly support your success

This is only true of low-quality men (or low quality humans in general, which is easily at least 1/3 of the population). Most of the top 10% are in fact not tyrants nor were they born into wealth, but simply have discipline, focus, and luck to achieve what they want, and they want the best for others as well, though the top 1% of 1%, the elites like Soros and Gates are obviously tyrants.





Get better friends, OP. I have a several male friends who I trust more than anyone else my life and despite having somewhat different backgrounds, hobbies, interests, we have a deep respect and mentality that does not foster competition or negativity but a growth mentality that we use to spiral each other up.

Most successful men are not on an island; they need the wisdom and support of close male friends to get to where they want - I do admit that most successful men also have had a good woman who supported him along the way, but they are simply not the same as close male friends.

 

[HaleyBaron]

There’s often a subtle bitterness towards women in the pick up community and in general amongst men. But the truth is, women want the best for you. It’s women that we need to cherish. It’s actually other men that want to hold you down and are never truly your friends. Because in reality; all men are in competition with each other; this is the essence of masculinity. it’s man vs man for the women, so deep down men can never truly support your success

I am sorry but you sound like one of those bougeious guys I run into in the art district of my city. They talk very much like this and are very competitive with other men. Mostly because they adopted the feminist city lifestyle. The topic is false and I urge everyone to not follow it.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I suggested you be humble around men you choose to be your mentors and role models.

Here is the issue I have - being humble is the opposite of attracting women…if I flex, act obnoxious etc I get hotter women. I’ve experimented for years and acting loud, flashy, and outshining other men is what gets the 18-23 year old hot girls chasing me. Being humble makes them think ‘another regular guy’…but being obnoxious makes them think ‘high status superstar’ … I don’t want to loose women to gain male friends … thoughts?

 

[manfrombelow]

Every man should have atleast a small tribe of men.

Beautifully said. And 100% correct.