Need a bit of help, and advice in two major areas.

[ohsnaps1104]

My day game is actually really good, I make up any type of scruff just to get in and talk to a woman. Pull out my phone pretend to look at a message and gently nudge her and say hey check this out this is crazy and show her a funny meme. My problem is closing, I don't know how or when to ask for a number or anything really. Secondly is the night game, I'm in NE and I dress in a midwest cowboy style as its sort of common here. The difference is that I grew an exceedingly thicc handlebar mustache. I even wear Tshirts that say things like free mustache rides. Even though both men and women run up and tell me how cool all that is and try to feel the mustache, I still have problems picking up women. My approach and even flirting is terrible at night. I don't know how to approach women at the club or even where to start.

 

[mikedee]

My day game is actually really good, I make up any type of scruff just to get in and talk to a woman. Pull out my phone pretend to look at a message and gently nudge her and say hey check this out this is crazy and show her a funny meme. My problem is closing, I don't know how or when to ask for a number or anything really. Secondly is the night game, I'm in NE and I dress in a midwest cowboy style as its sort of common here. The difference is that I grew an exceedingly thicc handlebar mustache. I even wear Tshirts that say things like free mustache rides. Even though both men and women run up and tell me how cool all that is and try to feel the mustache, I still have problems picking up women. My approach and even flirting is terrible at night. I don't know how to approach women at the club or even where to start.

I would avoid wearing a mustache and that t-shirt. Forget the peacocking, you look like a clown. You don't want to be a clown.

 

[Divorced w 3]

You may get them opened up with some meme but it sounds like you can't transfer the convo to something relatable... then say hey how do we keep up...i own the night and i'll tell you, just pull up at the bar, wherever people are coming in and out from the dance floor...then you just lean in and say something stupid. try telling them the silver lining of the men's team getting knocked out is them not having to split 50% of anything with the women.. or you keep coming because you keep getting your aromatherapy fix from hair products...bring a friend and say you're gay, it's like shooting fish in a barrel but the key is the positioning. and lose the clownish getup, throw a hat on backwards, a pair of jeans, open the top two buttons of a vineyard vines flannel and a pair of sneakers..it's not hard

 

[SW15]

Ditch the mustache alone look. The mustache alone look is ridiculous. Your options are..

1. Fully shaved
2. Goatee/circle beard
3. Full mustache & beard

Any of those are good.

You don't have to do bar/nightclub game either. You could focus on non-bar approaching. Stay off the swipe apps and don't slide into DMs on Instagram.

Read books bruh. Lots of material out there for ya. Rational Male, Mystery Method, and Unplugged Alpha are good places to start.

Mystery Method is a good night game manual and I think it is written for that purpose. However, Mystery did mention on one page that the principles are applicable in a non-bar setting.

Unplugged Alpha is a great read and flows very well.

Rational Male is good too.

 

[Barrister]

OP,

I agree with the other guys - a mustache alone comes off like a comedic act. You are seen as the funny man, not the man of mystery that women wonder about.

I think a cowboy vibe can be good for an older man - but if you are targeting women in their 20s most (not all) are not going to find that vibe highly attractive. They will see you more as a silly farmer than a sexy cowboy.

Personally, I would avoid nightclubs - but there are some guys who have some success there. I do think darker bars or outside venues are the absolute best places for cold approach in evening hours.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Ditch the mustache alone look. The mustache alone look is ridiculous. Your options are..

1. Fully shaved
2. Goatee/circle beard
3. Full mustache & beard

Any of those are good.

You don't have to do bar/nightclub game either. You could focus on non-bar approaching. Stay off the swipe apps and don't slide into DMs on Instagram.



Mystery Method is a good night game manual and I think it is written for that purpose. However, Mystery did mention on one page that the principles are applicable in a non-bar setting.

Unplugged Alpha is a great read and flows very well.

Rational Male is good too.

i think Rational Male is required reading

 

[SW15]

i think Rational Male is required reading

I didn't read Rational Male until after I had taken the red pill. I liked it, but I think I would have found it even more insightful had I found it earlier in my journey of unplugging from the normie viewpoint.

I like the Iron Rules of Tomassi and often cite them in comments.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I didn't read Rational Male until after I had taken the red pill. I liked it, but I think I would have found it even more insightful had I found it earlier in my journey of unplugging from the normie viewpoint.

I like the Iron Rules of Tomassi and often cite them in comments.

I think we all get there when we do. The teacher appears when the student is ready. My teacher appeared after a shtty marriage that yielded three beautiful kids and later a dopamine rush in the summer with a girl I thought was going to save me from the abyss - and then I by total luck online heard of Rollo like a month ago and the rest is history

 

[Dr.Suave]

My day game is actually really good, I make up any type of scruff just to get in and talk to a woman. Pull out my phone pretend to look at a message and gently nudge her and say hey check this out this is crazy and show her a funny meme. My problem is closing, I don't know how or when to ask for a number or anything really. Secondly is the night game, I'm in NE and I dress in a midwest cowboy style as its sort of common here. The difference is that I grew an exceedingly thicc handlebar mustache. I even wear Tshirts that say things like free mustache rides. Even though both men and women run up and tell me how cool all that is and try to feel the mustache, I still have problems picking up women. My approach and even flirting is terrible at night. I don't know how to approach women at the club or even where to start.

"Hey you seem like a very cool girl. Would you like to hang out sometime?"

 

[ohsnaps1104]

Ditch the mustache alone look. The mustache alone look is ridiculous. Your options are..

1. Fully shaved
2. Goatee/circle beard
3. Full mustache & beard

Any of those are good.

You don't have to do bar/nightclub game either. You could focus on non-bar approaching. Stay off the swipe apps and don't slide into DMs on Instagram.



Mystery Method is a good night game manual and I think it is written for that purpose. However, Mystery did mention on one page that the principles are applicable in a non-bar setting.

Unplugged Alpha is a great read and flows very well.

Rational Male is good too.

I have read the rational male, the players guide and mystery method, as well as a good author is David D'Angelo. He's the PUA that does ****y and funny. These are reasons I grew the stache and played into the style, something more masculine. Plus, I'm 32 and look really underage if I shave and I cannot grow a beard, period. Also something D'Angelo mentioned is that online is only for pros who know exactly what they are doing as it can give the woman all the power to say no. I'm thinking that the biggest limiting factor here is myself. I'm just not doing and that's the problem. I used to live in CO and I wouldn't even go to the club or bar and I would pick up a dozen numbers almost daily. The difference is in CO women are more willing to talk to guys especially if they think you're really cute then they might initiate. Here in NE it's more like hunting deer, they seem more a lot more skittish. I think that I just need to do it and get over things, you can't hit a homer if you're only bunting.

 

[ohsnaps1104]

Farm girls….tough crowd but they’re doable. They don’t mind getting it rough and want to feel your strength. Stay in the gym and you’ll be fine. Keep the stache. It works in the cowboy world. Those women respect a man who just takes what he wants. So go take one, grab her, tell her what’s going to happen and make it happen. You got this brother.

Thanks, makes a lot more sense. I guess I get nervous because the whole farmer girl mentality in this state is something I haven't gotten ahold of yet, if that makes sense? Yeah, I should probably go to the gym as I've always been built like a twig. Hyper metabolism, but it hasn't really stopped me from picking up women before. It wasn't until I went to CO in my early 20s that I slowly began to piece something together of how to talk to women. One of the breaking points of my thought process at the time was when I was working at a hotel restaurant with a girl who I couldn't even believe existed. Tall, blonde, legs, skinny, at least a 9. This girl wouldn't even give me the time of day. I finally got upset for myself one day like "no, I'm a nice guy, I've done nothing, she could at least talk to me." It was just her and I in the restaurant that day for lunch setup and I spilled a big lake of coffee on this table. I ran the bust tub over by her and yelled "Hey! Go clean that sh** up!" *points at lake* She turns around and starts to laugh imeddiately cutting herself off and mumbles "FU Ahole." To which I replied "What did you just say to me!?". I can audibly hear her trying to hold a laugh in as she turns around and speaks up with a solid "FU AHOLE!" I yelled "Oh yeah? That's what i thought you said." and stormed off with my bust cart. Not, five minutes later it was physically and verbally apparent that I broke this girl. I came out to finish my morning clean up and she rushed over and started putting her hand on my arm and asking me all kinds of personal questions like my hobbies and what not. At the time I was oblivous to what was happening. She added me on FB and thougt I did a good. The next night I'm washing dishes and she came in completely plastered just screaming at me being a complete and total B off the rails. Still, not quite sure what happened but I been trying to figure what happened and why what I did got her attention so well.

 

[ohsnaps1104]

I'm thinking I might ditch the cowboy look and my handlebar mustache. Might go back to my old school style of wearing skateboard gear. I used to wear like nice skateboard jeans, tshirts, flat bills, and skate sneaker/shoes. Plus its alot lighter on the wallet. I like the flashy colors and style as well. This thought has been bothering me as one night I was hanging out with some guys at the local strip. It's BYOB so people go there to drink after the bars close and chill. Men and Women both. The guys asked how much the mustache gets me laid and I said not really. They asked me why because its amazing. Almost every guy ever is astonished by this thing. So, the guys got a group of about 10 women together and asked their oppinion and they all concurred that its just too intimidating to handle. They love it and they think it styles well when curled but it looks too good and like too much to handle. I tried to talk to these cute blondes at the nightclub and they litterally ran away from my mustache. Another girl I hit up was like well yeah but you're mustache is too much so beat it. As I stated earlier, I used to collect like a dozen numbers a day (skater look), now after being broke and not really having a "look" I tried something more rugged by going cowboy with a thick handlebar mustache and I can't seem to get anywhere. I wanted something more masculine and I think it went a bit too far honestly.

 

[jaymbrs]

Unless you go to honky-tonks to pick up women, you should lose the mustache. Also, I can relate to the pulling chicks left in right in my twenties. But it's a whole nother world now with all these dating apps and SM.

 

[pranshu]

My day game is actually really good, I make up any type of scruff just to get in and talk to a woman. Pull out my phone pretend to look at a message and gently nudge her and say hey check this out this is crazy and show her a funny meme. My problem is closing, I don't know how or when to ask for a number or anything really. Secondly is the night game, I'm in NE and I dress in a midwest cowboy style as its sort of common here. The difference is that I grew an exceedingly thicc handlebar mustache. I even wear Tshirts that say things like free mustache rides. Even though both men and women run up and tell me how cool all that is and try to feel the mustache, I still have problems picking up women. My approach and even flirting is terrible at night. I don't know how to approach women at the club or even where to start.

I have the same problem about closing..sometimes I do it too soon, sometimes too late..I guess its just about fine tuning yourself to women's body language by trial n error..
night game at night clubs..ughh I hated it yesterday..too loud, too sweaty, too crowdy..bunch of drunkards wobbling and puking all over..no one can surely know who the f is who in those dim lights..

 

[ohsnaps1104]

I have the same problem about closing..sometimes I do it too soon, sometimes too late..I guess its just about fine tuning yourself to women's body language by trial n error..
night game at night clubs..ughh I hated it yesterday..too loud, too sweaty, too crowdy..bunch of drunkards wobbling and puking all over..no one can surely know who the f is who in those dim lights..

Both the places I go to have a lot of security guards everywhere. If youre barfing everywhere they'd probably ask you to leave. They're actually somewhat decent. The club here doesn't dim the lights until people show up to party (usually about 11) and since bars close here at 1 that doesn't give much time to over-do yourself. If you guys need help read David D'angelo's Double Your Dating. He's the dude that coined the term c*cky and funny. Fantastic read and something to add to the pickup arsenal. He states avoid dating apps or websites unless you know what you're doing. Meting women in person is going to result in better outcomes because they really aren't prepared to be rude out in public. He also says when meeting women make up something to get your foot in the door. If you're at a store for instance, he sasy to say things like "hey i need your opinion on something, you seem fashionable and my girlfriends birthday is coming up and i have no ideas". He said if you can, try to get other women in on the conversation too. Talking to multiple women at the same time will attract other women in the "wait, what's going on here?" kind of way. Remember women want a man that other women want, talking to multiple women will peak that interest. One of the PUA's i used to watch said that in night game you need to be bold and go straight in, because no creepy guy has ever been straight up at a club like "I'd really like to f*** the sh** out of you."

 

[SW15]

"Hey you seem like a very cool girl. Would you like to hang out sometime?"

This is a passable closing line for arranging a first date from an in-person approach. Then, you come up with something specific after she says "Yes" or "Sure" and collect her number.

The guys asked how much the mustache gets me laid and I said not really.

I'm not surprised. The mustache-only look isn't good for getting laid. A lot of retro porn stars ruined that look.

 

[Dean Gladwyn]

My day game is actually really good, I make up any type of scruff just to get in and talk to a woman. Pull out my phone pretend to look at a message and gently nudge her and say hey check this out this is crazy and show her a funny meme. My problem is closing, I don't know how or when to ask for a number or anything really. Secondly is the night game, I'm in NE and I dress in a midwest cowboy style as its sort of common here. The difference is that I grew an exceedingly thicc handlebar mustache. I even wear Tshirts that say things like free mustache rides. Even though both men and women run up and tell me how cool all that is and try to feel the mustache, I still have problems picking up women. My approach and even flirting is terrible at night. I don't know how to approach women at the club or even where to start.

Club game is my forte. If I knew how to attach videos to this thread I would.

Game in general (and especially night game) requires you to be unleashed and completely out of your head as the basis of 1. conveying a good vibe and having access to your peak social capabilities; and 2.Getting women highly attracted and wanting to see you again.

If you go back to the old school emotional triad by Anthony Robbins (Change physiology, language, focus) - you can create a more relaxed, clear and positive state which will make you fire more and be clearer in your communication when talking to a woman.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Waiting for someone to yell out "Hey Moustache!"

 

[BillyPilgrim]

OP are you a skaterboi, cowboy, or 19th century throwback? Find a style that's authentically you, as long as it's not the skater style. That's not going to work optimally in Nebraska at 33.

Do you do online game? Might be a good idea to collect numbers and practice your banter over text. This should help propel convos in real life. You know what c0cky and funny is, learn how to effectively sprinkle it in.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You may get them opened up with some meme but it sounds like you can't transfer the convo to something relatable... then say hey how do we keep up...i own the night and i'll tell you, just pull up at the bar, wherever people are coming in and out from the dance floor...then you just lean in and say something stupid. try telling them the silver lining of the men's team getting knocked out is them not having to split 50% of anything with the women.. or you keep coming because you keep getting your aromatherapy fix from hair products...bring a friend and say you're gay, it's like shooting fish in a barrel but the key is the positioning. and lose the clownish getup, throw a hat on backwards, a pair of jeans, open the top two buttons of a vineyard vines flannel and a pair of sneakers..it's not hard

Studies do say the best way to lose a clown act is to own the night, say something stupid, sniff their hair, tell people you're gay and put on a backwards hat if you're 30-something.

It should really be common knowledge imo, it's a tragedy it's not.