My convo with an ex pimp: Alpha widowing is a hell of a drug

[Pandora]

I work with an old school guy. Retired guy that joined the staff for supplementary income.This dude is hilarious. He did a short span of time pimping girls back in the day. Still drives a Caddilac etc. I asked how he could be so non chalant about his gf cheating and his hoes fukking John's etc. These pimps often form romantic relationships with the very girls they send to go sell their bodies. Sometimes they end up forming families with the girls!! He dropped some gems.

1.) He said squares ( he called me an L7 btw lol) get too caught up on the physical. He said it does not matter who is fukking her body. It matters who is fukking her MIND. He said a woman can sleep with a 9 inch King Kong muscular guy but it will mean very little. This is because her mind is with another man. Her loyalty is not with her vagina. Its with her mind/emotions. They actually close off their emotions to a new guy even if the sex is good. Basically if a woman is alpha widowed it does not matter who she has sex with. She will ALWAYS come back to you. She will always leave that current guy if you want her to.

2.) He also said every woman is going to cheat in some form or fashion. Do not spend your time worrying about it. That is just the body. Dont worry about the man who fukks her body. Worry about the man who fukks her mind. Another girl heard our conversation and confirmed everything he said. She said she has been stuck on a certain guy for 5 yrs. Even when they "break up" and she smashes another man, the sex can only be so good because her emotions are with the original guy.

She is basically saying once alpha widowed she will ALWAYS be alpha widowed. She said sex with another man is never the same if its not with the alpha widow guy. She also said that the alpha widow guys penis and sex game was not even good. Its the emotional connection that makes it good sex. No other man no matter how hot, hung or rich will ever take his place.

I was like damn! Alpha widowing is a hell of a drug..

 

[Gamisch]

And it actually works noth ways. Don't know how we should call it, but this man obviously reached a point of total numbness. Maybe in order to Alpha widow a man must also die inside. When you are older this might just be a natural way of thinking, but when you are younger it might be dangerous when you lose all capability to bond with another human.

But this is shyte we cant hear often enough. We men think and feel opposite about sex than women do. Having her mind triumphs over having her poosy.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Yes. For more detail check out @Desdinova ’s high score theory.

 

[Pandora]

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Yes. For more detail check out @Desdinova ’s high score theory.

Ahh yes I remember that thread. It is classic! Fire! I will go back and check it out.

 

[Pandora]

And it actually works noth ways. Don't know how we should call it, but this man obviously reached a point of total numbness. Maybe in order to Alpha widow a man must also die inside. When you are older this might just be a natural way of thinking, but when you are younger it might be dangerous when you lose all capability to bond with another human.

But this is shyte we cant hear often enough. We men think and feel opposite about sex than women do. Having her mind triumphs over having her poosy.

Yes I asked him how he became numb inside. He said his first wife at 23 yrs old did it to him. He was a good provider. Gave her everything. She fell for a Pakistani guy she met at a gas station ( maybe the owner). She had a baby for the Pakistani guy and used the husbands insurance to have the baby. She knew it was not his the whole time. He said after that he started pimping lol. He was never the same. He is actually thankful to her that she made his heart cold.

He also said he was never as broke as he was when he was Blue pilled. So he is thankful for her breaking his heart. This dude is legit. His dad was white and his mom was black. Evil Drake lookin mofo lol....

 

[Pandora]

things this dude helped me understand.

1.) Sometimes I would make a girl orgasm. She would tell her friends about me. She would say I was great in bed but she would ghost me. It was frustrating. I thought the path to a woman's heart was her vagina. We mistakenly think that in the manosphere. Nope. It's through her mind. These hoes were already alpha widowed by another guy. Or they did not want to keep smashing you because they did not want to let go of the other guy yet. They knew they would eventually bond with you.

2.) There is always that one guy that your girl will ALWAYS cheat on you with. You better hope HE decides not to come back into the picture.

3.) Jealousy is useless. Just let it go. He said if you see signs of cheating then end the relationship but don't go looking for trouble. If she is coming back to you like nothing happened then the other guy obviously does not have her heart. She will actually cut him off soon.
This is true. I have know girls that cheated on their man once. Found out that they did not enjoy it because their heart was still with their man and never did it again.

4.) Sexuality in women is complicated. They really can turn off the connection between heart and vagina. The connection is not that strong. Its not as strong as mind and vagina. This is why women can have casual sex/ porn ( which eventually destroys them) for a lot longer than we think. They just cut off the mind part. They numb their emotions and the connection to vagina is closed. They got their heart broken by the alpha.

5.) Virginity is important because it lessens the chance that she meets a man that "mind fukks" her. So its not the lack of penetration thats important. Its the lack of having come across a guy that she deeply bonds to emotionally that is important. This is why I say dont overrate virginity. It is correlation vs causation. Virginity is correlated to being sheltered and not coming across many men. This correlates to being a good partner. Virginity itself does not CAUSE being a good partner.


This idea that a girl that loves her man will never cheat on him is not true for many women. They will test the waters especially if their boyfriend pissed them off. That new guy will promptly be cut off unless he "mind fukks" her more.

 

[Pandora]

But this is shyte we cant hear often enough. We men think and feel opposite about sex than women do. Having her mind triumphs over having her poosy.

Yes bro. Exactly. This dude kept stressing this to me. He made it sound like a super power. I am not exaggerating. He said this is the secret. If you understand this then you will be unstoppable. He said make sure...make 1000% sure....100000% sure that you learn how to have sex with her mind first. He said everything else is secondary. The guy literally walks out of the vehicle, comes to the driver side of my window, looks me in my face...just to repeat this. It was hilarious and creepy at the same time.

When you think about it he is right. This is the playbook that NPDs, narcicist, BPD's etc use. They mind fukk you first. Its not that their sex is that good. Its because they got into your head from all the trauma bonding and chaos.

He said he would go to girls house and intentionally not try to fukk. He would suddenly leave as if he was indifferent. He played mind games with them. Anything to get their emotions constantly thinking about him. He would give them whatever emotions they deeply needed. If they needed a best friend he would mimic that etc.

Its not about looks. Looks will get you in the door but mind triumphs over everything.

 

[Dr.Suave]

He said he would go to girls house and intentionally not try to fukk.

Interesting. Very different play from "Comply or bye"

 

[SargeMaximus]

No tips on HOW to do that?

 

[Pandora]

very gynocentric perspective though. To a man, who cares who her emotions are with when she is sleeping with other men?!?!?!

You know whats interesting... a pimp would argue that getting butthurt about a woman sleeping with another man is beta. From their perspectivd women are all sluts to a certain degree. It is us sqaures that put them on a pedastal.

He stated that being somewhat indifferent saves you a lot of headache and heartache. He says its not physical sex you should worry about...its the mental sex.

Idk who is right.

 

[DonJuanjr]

He said he would go to girls house and intentionally not try to fukk. He would suddenly leave as if he was indifferent. He played mind games with them. Anything to get their emotions constantly thinking about him. He would give them whatever emotions they deeply needed. If they needed a best friend he would mimic that etc.

How would one suss out what emotions they need at any given time?

 

[Pandora]

How would one suss out what emotions they need at any given time?

Hey was more manipulative like dark triad. But good question. I dont know.

 

[Pandora]

No tips on HOW to do that?

Good listener is one that always worked for me. Like actually shut up and listen. This works wonders.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Good listener is one that always worked for me. Like actually shut up and listen. This works wonders.

That’s how I did so well in sales. I don’t tell I listen. With women it doesn’t work tho since they only talk to ask ME things

 

[pipeman84]

He said he would go to girls house and intentionally not try to fukk. He would suddenly leave as if he was indifferent. He played mind games with them. Anything to get their emotions constantly thinking about him. He would give them whatever emotions they deeply needed. If they needed a best friend he would mimic that etc.

That's what Doc Love used to call being a challenge. And regarding the listening part, being their best friend... 100% ... Zan Perrion says that genuine curiosity is a trait of all great lovers. But that has to be authentic, a woman will sense if you're faking curiosity just to get access to the box. And it has to come with a masculine vibe, otherwise you end up being her gay male friend.

 

[Gamisch]

Yes bro. Exactly. This dude kept stressing this to me. He made it sound like a super power. I am not exaggerating. He said this is the secret. If you understand this then you will be unstoppable. He said make sure...make 1000% sure....100000% sure that you learn how to have sex with her mind first. He said everything else is secondary. The guy literally walks out of the vehicle, comes to the driver side of my window, looks me in my face...just to repeat this. It was hilarious and creepy at the same time.

When you think about it he is right. This is the playbook that NPDs, narcicist, BPD's etc use. They mind fukk you first. Its not that their sex is that good. Its because they got into your head from all the trauma bonding and chaos.

He said he would go to girls house and intentionally not try to fukk. He would suddenly leave as if he was indifferent. He played mind games with them. Anything to get their emotions constantly thinking about him. He would give them whatever emotions they deeply needed. If they needed a best friend he would mimic that etc.

Its not about looks. Looks will get you in the door but mind triumphs over everything.

Imo this is GOLD. Red pill end game shyte. Not giving the D away for free is the only way you can set the frame of being " the price". Its difficult though, and a lotta men end up in the friendzone when they try this. It should almost come with a " dont try this at home " disclaimer.

I can't lie, being blue pilled did gave me some great experiences. On the other hand, the pain of being bluepilled throughout those experiences may have been even greater.

Having said that, maybe if I did grew up with a strong father figure I would've thought completely different about it. I know I would most definitely teach my son about all this.

You know whats interesting... a pimp would argue that getting butthurt about a woman sleeping with another man is beta. From their perspectivd women are all sluts to a certain degree. It is us sqaures that put them on a pedastal.

He stated that being somewhat indifferent saves you a lot of headache and heartache. He says its not physical sex you should worry about...its the mental sex.

Idk who is right.

This thread is gold . Again (imo) red pill harsh truth. So the beta man fears with his whole heart she will cheat one days, while the Alpha expects, maybe even wants her to cheat/ leave. Two different planets.

It shows how much TRU red pill is basically a copy of old school pimping. That's why the manosphere invented bs like the purple pill , so bluepilled men still can have something to believe in. Even a well known guy like ams changed his initial concept and target audience from Alpha's to more average men. Funny how men will say" I found the redpill " , but still getting Gf 's wife's ect. You can't worship the devil while praying at God. Very ,very few men are redpill. I know I am stil a bluepilled man, despite knowing alot. Cognitive dissonance, so I happily hide behind the purple pill curtain.

Interesting. Very different play from "Comply or bye"

yes ,this is way more complex. This means you don't even stress about whether you could feck her or not. A place and time where fecking her would be going through the motions for you while doing her a favor. So you gotta have the sexual energy to create tension but you dont capitalize on its unless you feel like it. Total control.

Especially if you have a rotation it's a great strategy. Ofcourse at some point you'll go and conquer her poosy as well.

 

[Pandora]

Zan Perrion says that genuine curiosity is a trait of all great lovers. And it has to come with a masculine vibe, otherwise you end up being her gay male friend.

Facts. Super true. Genuine curiosity is the #1 thing that will make people feel bonded to you. You make them feel heard. They feel like they matter. This is why guys like Joe Rogan are such great interviewers. They are genuinely curious. This is a rare trait. Most people dont care about your story.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Some of what he's saying rings true but be careful taking dating advice from a pimp. Like most other career criminals, pimps are losers. If the guy was actually a master manipulator, he would be married to some millionaire broad and chilling on a yacht somewhere in the Mediterranean, not busting his back at a part-time job to supplement his old age pension.

Pimping doesn't require any special skill. All you need to do is search out young women from broken homes, ply them with drugs and pretend to care about them (at least in the beginning). Anyone can do it.

 

[kavi]

I just saw this thread.

Yeah 100% true, I think I've said similar things before.

All of this is a natural thing that many non-pimps can attain by:

1. Just let go of monogamy in your head. Be close to multiple women and try to make them all happy.
2. You have to be a pimp not a trick. That means women will have to bring something into your life other than sex and love. This will be money, a place to live, social status, other girls, basically it cannot be a dead end and must increase through the women. She cannot limit the positivity you receive, she has to increase it, hence she will have to be able to share you in ways with other women.
3. Ditto on the flip side. You can have 10 chicks and be a pimp, if every girl cheats every few years it is still a good deal for you.

An Alpha Widow can be resurrected and Widowed a second time, but only by a BETTER Alpha.