Approaching women is good but PUA stuff is bad

[Zimbabwe]

- During the day, only warm approach.
- During the night in a social setting (bar/club/party) cold approaching is fine.
- MOVE ON if she clearly isn’t interested.
- Don’t use cringey PUA strategies (literally chasing a girl, canned lines, harassment, etc). Just strike up a normal conversation at first.
- Being NT/Confident is essential.
- Looksmax as much as you can, being normie level is the bare minimum.
- You will get rejected, a lot. Even good looking people get rejected. Basically, the worse looking you are the more you will get rejected. This puts people off due to having a fragile ego and fear of rejection but if you aren’t chad and don’t put in effort with girls, you won’t get girls.

 

[Travel memoir21]

- During the day, only warm approach.
- During the night in a social setting (bar/club/party) cold approaching is fine.
- MOVE ON if she clearly isn’t interested.
- Don’t use cringey PUA strategies (literally chasing a girl, canned lines, harassment, etc). Just strike up a normal conversation at first.
- Being NT/Confident is essential.
- Looksmax as much as you can, being normie level is the bare minimum.
- You will get rejected, a lot. Even good looking people get rejected. Basically, the worse looking you are the more you will get rejected. This puts people off due to having a fragile ego and fear of rejection but if you aren’t chad and don’t put in effort with girls, you won’t get girls.

I saw your pic on your avatar a few months ago, you seem like a decent looking guy. You said you work out and have toned muscles right? Do you currently have a social circle going for you right now? Maybe if you do, that would help you.

 

[SW15]

- During the day, only warm approach.

Why? That's not going to go over too well. I've done approaches at non-bar venues without much in the way of IOIs.

- Don’t use cringey PUA strategies (literally chasing a girl, canned lines, harassment, etc). Just strike up a normal conversation at first.

It's ideal to approach from in front. The running up beside her and turning around move isn't one I'd want to do.

- You will get rejected, a lot. Even good looking people get rejected. Basically, the worse looking you are the more you will get rejected. This puts people off due to having a fragile ego and fear of rejection but if you aren’t chad and don’t put in effort with girls, you won’t get girls.

It's bad. This is true.

 

[Don of the north]

Why? That's not going to go over too well. I've done approaches at non-bar venues without much in the way of IOIs.

+1 On that. You guys realize that women are complaining on reddit about day time cold approaches because those same internet women never/rarely go out to clubs, therefore they are not worried about men approaching them there. They simply don't want ugly men approaching them and they figure the good-looking ones will just "know" that they are handsome, and the "rules" don't apply to them.

The women complaining are too dumb to figure out it hurts their options and that they could miss out on a great relationship because a man is now afraid to say hello.

- During the day, only warm approach.

We are adults. We don't need permission from anyone to say hello to someone of the opposite gender. They are free to not engage and walk away, which they do all the time. You'll miss out on all kinds of opportunities by not doing cold approaches.

When are guys going to figure out women just like to complain and we are living in a man hating matriarchy. Next, they'll complain about men approaching them in bars. There was a reddit post about that where she was complaining "can't women just go out to a bar to have fun with friends without being hit on by men!". You'll never win with pandering to entitled women. They'll keep moving the goal posts.

Remember this, women make rules for guys they do NOT like, and break all the rules for a guy she likes.

If she likes you, the daytime cold approach will work. What do you think she's thinking when a handsome man approaches her...."man he's so hot, but I never gave him an ioi and he approached me in a mall instead of a club"! Of course not! If they like you, it's game on. It's just a coffee date she's agreeing to anyway to get to know. It's not a big deal. In 2022, you do have to worry about them calling the cops if you are average or below in looks and approaching outside of huge cities. That's the biggest thing. Forget all the manipulative nonsense some women spew. They don't care about you. Many lack empathy for men and our struggles in case that wasn't obvious.

The reason a good-looking guy can still get rejected is because some women are not single and also what some women thinks is hot is not necessarily what another woman will find attractive. Beauty is the eye of the beholder. It truly is. Being a good looking guy simply means MORE women will like you on average that someone who is less attractive.

I remember the advice of women saying just join a club/hobby/class. Then they start complaining about the "creepy" guy in yoga class and they get him potentially kicked out the class for asking for a number from a woman. It never ends.

 

[Don of the north]

The pua's biggest sin is lying to men that you can build attraction when there is none. That's why they have such a bad reputation as scammers especially from men that struggle horribly with women and will believe nonsense like that. You still have PUA's who have a huge following that teach men that when a woman is basically rejecting you and treating you like crap that it's a "**** test". Total nonsense and really bad advice.

These PUA's make the men even worse by giving them stupid gamey lines and dumb crap like "negs". Many pua's are doing all of this for money, which is quite disgusting. They know that selling a "dream" that looks don't matter, rather than the harsh reality will get more sales. The pua scam is kind of played out which has probably reduced their income. At least I hope so.

She's either into you or she's not. Just say hello and talk to her like a normal human being. Try to be comfortable and not nervous as best as you can. That's all you can do.

 

[BadWatermelon]

These PUA's make the men even worse by giving them stupid gamey lines and dumb crap like "negs". Many pua's are doing all of this for money, which is quite disgusting. They know that selling a "dream" that looks don't matter, rather than the harsh reality will get more sales. The pua scam is kind of played out which has probably reduced their income. At least I hope so.

The Game talks about ways you can "demonstrate value" - mostly by using chick crack things like Tarot cards and Astrology. I think a lot of them have wised up to this (particularly the older ones), but it can still work.

Social proof is probably the best form of DHV.

 

[f(x)]

If she’s obviously looking away when you’re close don’t.

If she ignores you, stop and distance yourself.

If she smiles and/or makes eye contact and/or seems to linger in your proximity, say something.

If they’re not interested they’ll just ignore you or give a short response that ends with something like “okay, have a nice day!”

I approach women almost every time I leave the house, primarily to try to get laid but also to be social and meet people.

In my experience dressing well seems to draw their attention.

 

[corrector]

The Game talks about ways you can "demonstrate value" - mostly by using chick crack things like Tarot cards and Astrology. I think a lot of them have wised up to this (particularly the older ones), but it can still work.

Social proof is probably the best form of DHV.

That is from How to be the Bad Boy That Women Love book. I could not use any of those chock crack that book suggested as they are all 100% contrary with me. In other words I would not want the women they would work on in the first place.

The funniest one is ask a woman to guess a number 1 to 10. 9 times out of 10 she will think 7. You say 7 and bingo you are a mind reader.