What is the best resource for getting girls?

[boom786]

I've read and watched a lot of material over the past 30 months, from the Rational Male to Coach Corey Wayne, to AMS to LFA to forums to Reddit to slightly older school guys like Alan Roger Curry (RIP), David De Angelo etc to even the guys from a science background like Dr David Buss and the book Mate by Geoffrey Miller etc to Robert Greene and Art of Seduction to Todd V and Girlschase.com with Chase Amante. All in all I've probably read about 35+ books on dating etc. I've also tried lots of different techniques and strategies with girls and I'm lucky to have gone through lots of volume/samples to test things as I was able to meet lots of girls in real life, at work (although here I've been very indirect here leaving ***** on the table), and through Muzzmatch a Muslim dating app where I got about 300+ matches (although I only got 2 dates here).

Results weren't great despite all the experimenting (using Corey Wayne method 80% of the time) - I've been gaming hard since Feb 2022 despite reading for the past 30 months as I was abroad and I've only gotten 1 lay (first time) and about 11 girls out with me 1 to 1 despite 600+ attempts at online stuff (Instagram and Muzzmatch) and 3ish girls in person (although I won't ever date girls below a 6 and have been held back by work so could have been slightly more) - but I can tell certain gurus definitely have more / less success etc.

I understand the red pill very well and used to be an ardent believer in Coach Corey Wayne and AMS and I still maybe am and see some of their stuff being true but I have definitely lost lots of girls because of them because I haven't been persistent enough or cause I didn't message the girl after setting dates. I think confident persistence works well and using that and by following new guys and more persistent yet non needy game (Girlschase.com, Playing With Fire, Todd V) my results do seem to be improving a fair bit and they present a slightly more persistent model than AMS/COREY WAYNE/ DOC Love - leading to an improvement of about 40-60% in results. I guess maybe I've just become smoother because of them but still.

But anyways my question to you guys who do you think are the best guys to follow in the manosphere and do you guys think that Coach Corey Wayne/Doc Love and AMS philosophy of distance could be bad? They all have a similar philosophy and AMS and Corey Wayne perhaps copied Doc Love. I feel like they can turn you a bit too butthurt and prevent you from slaying poon and converting potential girls. For marriage I can understand Coach Corey Wayne's methods as you want to minimise risk but for just getting laid maybe it's better to just be more playfully persistent and perhaps not so 'red pilled' / for getting laid? I'm not saying be a pushover but what seems to be working is just bantering with girls slowly over text (95% of the way I approach) and dealing with **** tests to try and get laid - and just hitting her up after a few weeks pass etc? What do you guys think?

Also I'm primarily using online game 95% of the time so maybe that's why my results are skewed but even in person being distant and cold to girls that have rejected me or not shown me IOI's aka Corey Wayne/AMS method has not seemed to lead to much results although I haven't tested Patience Persistence on them yet i.e. Girls Chase Model, Hector Castillo, Todd V, Playing With Fire method. thanks

Any suggestions or books or gurus welcome thanks.

 

[Zimbabwe]

What's your height and race OP? Do you go to the gym at all?

 

[Gamisch]

I've seen material from most of the names you mentioned. First of all there is a big difference between getting women and keeping women. Some coaches will be better than other in specific areas.

But without pointing fingers, I would say YOU gotta be able to filter chunks of information and use whatever YOU think will work. I can say AMS is the best, but perhaps ARC has a video from 4 years ago that's better, you just gotta stumble upon it, and (important!!) be in an actual situation where the advice will work.

Like, you can search "SBF FTX" and 100 different content creators will explain what happened. After 5 videos you should understand it. No need to watch the other 95 because they'll all say the same.

What's your height and race OP? Do you go to the gym at all?

This. Demographics, LMS, age all matters. And why do you even know how many women you've chased when it's more then 100? You put a coin in jar everytime when you get rejected? What I am trying to say is just continue to chase women, and go on till one bites.

Do you solely rely on OLD?

 

[Dr.Suave]

I've read and watched a lot of material over the past 30 months, from the Rational Male to Coach Corey Wayne, to AMS to LFA to forums to Reddit to slightly older school guys like Alan Roger Curry (RIP), David De Angelo etc to even the guys from a science background like Dr David Buss and the book Mate by Geoffrey Miller etc to Robert Greene and Art of Seduction to Todd V and Girlschase.com with Chase Amante. All in all I've probably read about 35+ books on dating etc. I've also tried lots of different techniques and strategies with girls and I'm lucky to have gone through lots of volume/samples to test things as I was able to meet lots of girls in real life, at work (although here I've been very indirect here leaving ***** on the table), and through Muzzmatch a Muslim dating app where I got about 300+ matches (although I only got 2 dates here).

Results weren't great despite all the experimenting (using Corey Wayne method 80% of the time) - I've been gaming hard since Feb 2022 despite reading for the past 30 months as I was abroad and I've only gotten 1 lay (first time) and about 11 girls out with me 1 to 1 despite 600+ attempts at online stuff (Instagram and Muzzmatch) and 3ish girls in person (although I won't ever date girls below a 6 and have been held back by work so could have been slightly more) - but I can tell certain gurus definitely have more / less success etc.

I understand the red pill very well and used to be an ardent believer in Coach Corey Wayne and AMS and I still maybe am and see some of their stuff being true but I have definitely lost lots of girls because of them because I haven't been persistent enough or cause I didn't message the girl after setting dates. I think confident persistence works well and using that and by following new guys and more persistent yet non needy game (Girlschase.com, Playing With Fire, Todd V) my results do seem to be improving a fair bit and they present a slightly more persistent model than AMS/COREY WAYNE/ DOC Love - leading to an improvement of about 40-60% in results. I guess maybe I've just become smoother because of them but still.

But anyways my question to you guys who do you think are the best guys to follow in the manosphere and do you guys think that Coach Corey Wayne/Doc Love and AMS philosophy of distance could be bad? They all have a similar philosophy and AMS and Corey Wayne perhaps copied Doc Love. I feel like they can turn you a bit too butthurt and prevent you from slaying poon and converting potential girls. For marriage I can understand Coach Corey Wayne's methods as you want to minimise risk but for just getting laid maybe it's better to just be more playfully persistent and perhaps not so 'red pilled' / for getting laid? I'm not saying be a pushover but what seems to be working is just bantering with girls slowly over text (95% of the way I approach) and dealing with **** tests to try and get laid - and just hitting her up after a few weeks pass etc? What do you guys think?

Also I'm primarily using online game 95% of the time so maybe that's why my results are skewed but even in person being distant and cold to girls that have rejected me or not shown me IOI's aka Corey Wayne/AMS method has not seemed to lead to much results although I haven't tested Patience Persistence on them yet i.e. Girls Chase Model, Hector Castillo, Todd V, Playing With Fire method. thanks

Any suggestions or books or gurus welcome thanks.

I did not read all of this but you are young. Dont spend most of your free time chasing girls. Instead, build a cool life and the girls will come.

 

[jimwho]

I might be a good example of how "all those books" do nothing but maybe reward you with what not to do. like singing outside her window holding flowers in the rain. Being here, I recognized some of the names but never read any. If you're a fun energetic guy with his act together, throw in confidence maybe a little sense of humor you will be ahead of the game. IMO this site has plenty of info to go on without pua overload. Remember, girls have extra terrestrial senses beyond our control. They can smell those books. If you've been with a couple of chicks <old guy term. Then you have it. So ease up on the books and go out and rely on your own Charm. That's what I'm thinking!

 

[Gamisch]

I might be a good example of how "all those books" do nothing but maybe reward you with what not to do. like singing outside her window holding flowers in the rain. Being here, I recognized some of the names but never read any. If you're a fun energetic guy with his act together, throw in confidence maybe a little sense of humor you will be ahead of the game. IMO this site has plenty of info to go on without pua overload. Remember, girls have extra terrestrial senses beyond our control. They can smell those books. If you've been with a couple of chicks <old guy term. Then you have it. So ease up on the books and go out and rely on your own Charm. That's what I'm thinking!

Kinda agree. @SW15 posted a weed waffles video and I SWEAR that dudes steals shyt from sosuave. His tone of voice , his opinion, was like he took that from here.

In some cases some videos might give a man that push in the right direction. Especially in this feminized society, where some men simply dont have any role model to look up, or even look back to.

But yeah, eventually you'll realize you dont need them (anymore) ,and you'll stop watching those videos.

 

[The Duke]

I've never read any of the stuff the guru's put out. Only posts on Sosuave over the years and I've done quite well, online and in person.

Experience is always the best teacher. You don't get that unless you are doing. Reading only gets you so far.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

For those people they struggle a lot with content creation, you constantly have to figure out ways to say the day thing differently in order to keep subscribers.

I’m sure they scour sites like this all the time to paraphrase things.

Kinda agree. @SW15 posted a weed waffles video and I SWEAR that dudes steals shyt from sosuave. His tone of voice , his opinion, was like he took that from here.

In some cases some videos might give a man that push in the right direction. Especially in this feminized society, where some men simply dont have any role model to look up, or even look back to.

But yeah, eventually you'll realize you dont need them (anymore) ,and you'll stop watching those videos.

 

[Murk]

If you're a muslim in London trying to date non muslim girls good luck, they don't want you. If you're under 6 foot and not shredded and rich, forget about it. All you will get is 6s and low 7s with personality defects, girls trying to rebel and lefty pronoun ****s.

I agree with @Gamisch that AMS is pretty solid. I like him because he's the only guy that I resonate with, he is an alpha guy and he defo smashes women. The others just seem slimy like used car salesmen. Watching them talk about getting women makes me cringe, I almost don't believe people like that can teach me anything. I listened to Cory Wayne after my breakup in 2017/18 - some good advice I found way too late. However, he still gives me beta vibes. I'm sure all the gurus are under 6 foot, they look like their personalities, forgettable.

I've never read a book or studied PUA, and don't plan to. IMO that is for the utterly helpless, the fat, the ugly, the socially awkward and the autistic among us. If that is you, fair enough, but own it, don't live in delusion.

 

[boom786]

I've seen material from most of the names you mentioned. First of all there is a big difference between getting women and keeping women. Some coaches will be better than other in specific areas.

But without pointing fingers, I would say YOU gotta be able to filter chunks of information and use whatever YOU think will work. I can say AMS is the best, but perhaps ARC has a video from 4 years ago that's better, you just gotta stumble upon it, and (important!!) be in an actual situation where the advice will work.

Like, you can search "SBF FTX" and 100 different content creators will explain what happened. After 5 videos you should understand it. No need to watch the other 95 because they'll all say the same.


This. Demographics, LMS, age all matters. And why do you even know how many women you've chased when it's more then 100? You put a coin in jar everytime when you get rejected? What I am trying to say is just continue to chase women, and go on till one bites.

Do you solely rely on OLD?
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Yh mostly Instagram cause asking out a girl at work is risky, and going out is super expensive these days. I do have decent money but would rather focus on working and not spending time and money on girls so have made an effort to try and get better with Instagram game which is somewhat improving recently. The odd girl I meet out still needs texting and I've realised you just lose loads of real life girls from texting in general so trying to iron that out at the moment using Todd V, Playing with Fire and Girls Chase.

I'm brown so usually only get brown girls which is ok since I'm in London and money is above average for guys my age like I can spend on whatever I want most of the time in terms of activity or clothes and have my own place although it's in the suburbs in London making logistics a bit difficult, and in terms of looks online I look good but in person I'm quite chubby but blessed with a good face with low fat on the face but good style but yh need to hit the gym but 6ft luckily.

For now I've just been focussing on making my text game better cause I get like 15 new girls every day on Instagram that follow me back but I can't convert them to dates which is difficult so... If I could just triple my success rate with conversions I'd be super happy.

 

[Supreme Solar Wolf]

How much money did u spend on all these books? I need to buy some weed. Can you send me $900? I may be scamming u, but at least i'm honest about it.

 

[logicallefty]

Best Resource: SoSuave of course!

 

[Bible_Belt]

Yh mostly Instagram cause asking out a girl at work is risky, and going out is super expensive these days. I do have decent money but would rather focus on working and not spending time and money on girls so have made an effort to try and get better with Instagram game which is somewhat improving recently. The odd girl I meet out still needs texting and I've realised you just lose loads of real life girls from texting in general so trying to iron that out at the moment using Todd V, Playing with Fire and Girls Chase.

I'm brown so usually only get brown girls which is ok since I'm in London and money is above average for guys my age like I can spend on whatever I want most of the time in terms of activity or clothes and have my own place although it's in the suburbs in London making logistics a bit difficult, and in terms of looks online I look good but in person I'm quite chubby but blessed with a good face with low fat on the face but good style but yh need to hit the gym but 6ft luckily.

For now I've just been focussing on making my text game better cause I get like 15 new girls every day on Instagram that follow me back but I can't convert them to dates which is difficult so... If I could just triple my success rate with conversions I'd be super happy.

Instagram isn't a dating app.

Restrict your carbohydrate consumption to lose weight.

And lighten up man, you sound way too serious and results oriented. Try pursuing genuine fun for yourself. Fun is contagious, and so is a lack of it. I can feel a lack of fun in your story. Go have a good time first and chase girls as an afterthought.