My Experiences with Cold Approaching Part 3

[member160292]

I think I read somewhere the profession that gets the most sex are sales people. The least, are the professions that deal with "analyzing" -- (scientist, researcher, etc.)

Huhm... I wonder what would make sales people have so much sex? I mean they do "beg" to have people buy their products, etc... That's basically what they do for a living. What skill do they have that makes them get so much sex? I just can't put my finger on it... Maybe those dorks at the neighborhood research department may know. They do a lot of thinking, but for some reason never seem to get laid. I'll ask them for advice, and do the complete opposite.

You’re thinking about the ‘sales’ people that approach you at mall kiosks and trying to get you into a car.

 

[pipeman84]

I agree. Most guys are just afraid to approach women, plain and simple.

And they have the nerve to hate on other guys who have the BALLS to do something that they are terrified to do.

No man, most guys have an innate knowing that it's demeaning and not the way to go to obtain pvssy. Just like with begging for money....are you inferring that most people don't do it because they're afraid? No, it's the same answer, firstly it's demeaning, secondly there are legit, honorable ways to obtain money.

 

[Slowhandluke]

No man, most guys have an innate knowing that it's demeaning and not the way to go to obtain pvssy. Just like with begging for money....are you inferring that most people don't do it because they're afraid? No, it's the same answer, firstly it's demeaning, secondly there are legit, honorable ways to obtain money.

Everyone "begs" for money in the business world. Almost every company has a large department called "advertising" and it has lots of employees "begging" for money from clients.

It's very rare to find a company that does not beg for money (mostly governmental and monopolies). Heck, when you watch tv, you see advertisements that beg for your money by promising all sorts of things - buy this phone (it will make you cooler), buy this drink (all the cool people are drinking it), buy this car because it will increase your social standing, or make you more masculine, etc.. etc..

Even things you think wouldn't need sale people, do. Take for instance, pharmaceuticals. Do you even know how big the pharmaceuticals sales field is and how many female "sales" people this field hires to beg for money from male doctors?

The world runs by having sales people throw a pitch thousands and thousands of times and getting rejected a majority of times, but accepted by enough that the business success. That's just how the world works. You can deny it all you want... There will just be less competition.

 

[pipeman84]

@Slowhandluke you make it sound as if I claimed that any exchange of money between 2 parties means one had to beg for it. C'mon man, don't misinterpret my message.
For instance, re advertising, it's not the TV ads that are begging, it's the nuisance calls.

 

[Slowhandluke]

@Slowhandluke you make it sound as if I claimed that any exchange of money between 2 parties means one had to beg for it. C'mon man, don't misinterpret my message.
For instance, re advertising, it's not the TV ads that are begging, it's the nuisance calls.

The OP is just cold approaching women. I don't see anything wrong with it. It doesn't seem like begging to me. If it was begging, than everyone does it.

I rarely watch live tv. When I do, its usually at the bar and it feels like someone is trying to "cold call" me with a mercedes bens ad or a BMW ad... or a "coke ad"... or a "captain Morgan ad"... while I'm just drinking my beer and watching whatever sports is on TV. Do I like it? No, but I understand when these advertisements are showing up. I don't see anything wrong with it. People need to make a living. Guys and Girls need to figure out whos hot to trot and whos not.

Obviously, I don't do a lot of cold approaches because while having more sex would be nice, I'm actually trying to meet some one that is more "my type". I have no issues with doing a cold approach if I feel that the person "cool"... or I'm extremely bored hahahahahaha..

I whole heartily agree, doing a massive number of cold approaches is the best strategy for more sex. I just don't see it as begging.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I think I read somewhere the profession that gets the most sex are sales people. The least, are the professions that deal with "analyzing" -- (scientist, researcher, etc.)

Huhm... I wonder what would make sales people have so much sex? I mean they do "beg" to have people buy their products, etc... That's basically what they do for a living. What skill do they have that makes them get so much sex? I just can't put my finger on it... Maybe those dorks at the neighborhood research department may know. They do a lot of thinking, but for some reason never seem to get laid. I'll ask them for advice, and do the complete opposite.

That’s really interesting. I wonder why that is. I’m in sales. I have a natural and also refined ability to read body language, I’ve also made 500 cold calls in the span of a day for over a year (don’t do that anymore) but I like to think that my skill set is in the scope of my profession. Maybe the theory on salespeople is that they have the intangibles to keep trying, keep reading the situations and learning? Handling objections well? Interesting stuff

 

[SW15]

Cold approaching is how it has always been done. I did my first cold approaches in 1996.

This site is called SOSUAVE. A suave approach is not begging. It is normal and natural. A player is not afraid to approach a woman.

It takes time to get comfortable with it and you learn to read the room and know when and when not to approach and how to proceed based on feedback you’re receiving.

Approaching strangers in-person for relationships/sex has been common for a long time. It got really common in the 1960s-2000s. It's been fading out for a while.

Even when men had higher testosterone, it was never easy to do it. Realize that Match.com and the early internet dating websites of the 1990s were a reaction to how difficult stranger approaching was at the bars in the 1970s-1990s.

I’m 45, so I don’t know if it’s a generational issue, but I do know my millennial/gen z coworkers are shy AF. Maybe that explains the resistance to this form of game?

You were at the tail end of an era.

Approaching strangers has a high rate of failure. The oldest Millennials right now are 35-41. The oldest Millennials were part of the 'Participation Trophy' era and the emphasis on self-esteem building that took over schools and parenting during the 1990s and into the 2000s. Approaching strangers for sexual purposes is the exact opposite of self-esteem building. It contains a lot of self-esteem destroying rejection and it is real time rejection, unless the asynchronous, indirect rejections of internet dating websites, swipe apps, and social media platforms. Both forms of rejection stink, but a faceless rejection in the moment isn't quite as bad, though a lot of these 'anonymous' rejections stink. Someone needs thick skin to be able to handle both in-person approaching and swipe apps.

I think I read somewhere the profession that gets the most sex are sales people. The least, are the professions that deal with "analyzing" -- (scientist, researcher, etc.)

Huhm... I wonder what would make sales people have so much sex? I mean they do "beg" to have people buy their products, etc... That's basically what they do for a living. What skill do they have that makes them get so much sex? I just can't put my finger on it... Maybe those dorks at the neighborhood research department may know. They do a lot of thinking, but for some reason never seem to get laid. I'll ask them for advice, and do the complete opposite.

You’re thinking about the ‘sales’ people that approach you at mall kiosks and trying to get you into a car.

Not all sales reps are created equal. There are good organizations that utilize more effective sales methods and ones well supported by Marketing. Then, there are organizations that essentially set their sales reps up for failure. Sales reps without adequate Marketing support are not going to do well.

Sometimes, the product is just crap for a variety of reasons. Product is one of the 4 P's of Marketing so that's a case of a lack of adequate Marketing support.

The professions that deal with analyzing often have people with bad social skills. It's not the profession that's the problem, it's the general personality type that is drawn to that profession.

A lot of sales reps are just throwing crap against all the wall and seeing what sticks, which is not the way to do sales. That causes high turnover, bruised egos, and a lot of failure.

The OP is just cold approaching women. I don't see anything wrong with it. It doesn't seem like begging to me. If it was begging, than everyone does it.

I whole heartily agree, doing a massive number of cold approaches is the best strategy for more sex. I just don't see it as begging.

Cold approaching is not begging, though it's not ideal. For some, it can be the best available option. If you have to choose between cold approaching and app swiping, you're better off doing the in-person approaches. Both paths stink though.

Social circle stuff is usually going to give you the least amount of aggravation, though after a while you might burn out of your social circle if you don't follow the blue pill path of putting a ring on it, buying a house, and having children. After burning through a social circle, a man who actually once had a social circle might be in a position of being 35-50 and having to choose between approaching strangers, app swiping, or DMing on Instagram.

I rarely watch live tv. When I do, its usually at the bar and it feels like someone is trying to "cold call" me with a mercedes bens ad or a BMW ad... or a "coke ad"... or a "captain Morgan ad"... while I'm just drinking my beer and watching whatever sports is on TV. Do I like it? No, but I understand when these advertisements are showing up. I don't see anything wrong with it. People need to make a living. Guys and Girls need to figure out whos hot to trot and whos not.

Sales and Marketing are not the same. Cold calling is more of one-to-one sales efforts often without any sort of qualification of the prospect. Common cold calling efforts now include spam emails, random DM cold pitches on LinkedIn, random phone calls, and sometimes even the random in-person visit, though this form is declining.

Ads on TV are Marketing, the Promotion P of the 4 P's of Marketing. Advertising is not one-to-one, it is one-to-many. One brand is going to a broader audience. When BMW or Budweiser airs an ad on TV, they are airing ads during programming where they think their target market will be. For instance, there's a reason why you see Budweiser and Bud Lights ads during sports. Budweiser and Bud Light believe their brand's core audience watches baseball and football. In terms of live sports, you might see more BMW and Mercedes-Benz ads on golf or tennis, because those interested in golf or tennis tend to be higher income.

most guys have an innate knowing that it's demeaning and not the way to go to obtain pvssy. Just like with begging for money....are you inferring that most people don't do it because they're afraid? No, it's the same answer, firstly it's demeaning, secondly there are legit, honorable ways to obtain money.

Both approaching strangers and app swiping are terrible means of meeting women. They both involve a lot of rejections, though the rejections on apps are asynchronous and not real time, often making them easier to swallow in theory. It can be very demoralizing to do a 2-3 approach session on a walking path and not come away with any planned dates. It can be very demoralizing to spend 2-3 hours in 1-2 bars on a Saturday night and not get your penis wet or set up any future dates.

Some of the social circle based means of finding dates are more effective and also more efficient. Lower rejection rates. Less of a demoralizing feel.

You can get laid with both approaching strangers and app swiping. Plenty of men doing it. When I call them terrible, it's because most men will have to put up with a lot of garbage in order to have some success with them. I've even had successes with them but I've endured a lot of rejections/trauma in order to achieve on them. I never had a viable social circle so I had to choose between two less than ideal options.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

No man, most guys have an innate knowing that it's demeaning and not the way to go to obtain pvssy.

Man, please. That's nonsense.

You fall in under one of these two categories.

1. You are scared/terrified to cold approach women because you are afraid of impeding rejection.

2. You tried cold approaching before and was rejected and now you have approach anxiety.

Obviously, if you've actually put the work in and have gotten positive results then you wouldn't be feeling the way that you do.

Guys that get positive results from cold approaching (like myself), don't bytch about the effectiveness of cold approaching.

But guys that get negative results do.

That is what this is really about.

I've had women be impressed with the boldness of my approach...and all of the women that I've bagged or at LEAST have gotten their numbers, did not think I was being demeaning to them. They were flattered and/or impressed.

Just like with begging for money....are you inferring that most people don't do it because they're afraid? No, it's the same answer, firstly it's demeaning, secondly there are legit, honorable ways to obtain money.

The women that we are fuking do not tell us that we were demeaning when we approached them, so why are you?

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The OP is just cold approaching women. I don't see anything wrong with it. It doesn't seem like begging to me. If it was begging, than everyone does it.

When I think of begging, I think of "please baby PLEASE let me have your number. Please baby please, I promise I will give you the world, if you just go out on ONE date with me. Give me a chance. Please baby, pleaseeeee".

And that aint what is going on here, not with me. Never.

Asking a woman for her number is no different than being in school and asking a classmate for a pencil.

Either he/she is going to give you a pencil, or they won't.

Whether yes or no, you live with the results and keep it pushing.

But aint nobody begging for sh!t.

And even if I was begging, I have a good percentage of getting what I desire through begging...so hate the game, not the playa.

I rarely watch live tv. When I do, its usually at the bar and it feels like someone is trying to "cold call" me with a mercedes bens ad or a BMW ad... or a "coke ad"... or a "captain Morgan ad"... while I'm just drinking my beer and watching whatever sports is on TV. Do I like it? No, but I understand when these advertisements are showing up. I don't see anything wrong with it. People need to make a living. Guys and Girls need to figure out whos hot to trot and whos not.

Facts.

Obviously, I don't do a lot of cold approaches because while having more sex would be nice, I'm actually trying to meet some one that is more "my type". I have no issues with doing a cold approach if I feel that the person "cool"... or I'm extremely bored hahahahahaha..

Soo, you can't meet some one that is more your type, through cold approaching? Where are you meeting this mystery woman at, then?

No matter what answer you give, you will still have to approach the bytch in some fashion, regardless.

I whole heartily agree, doing a massive number of cold approaches is the best strategy for more sex.

Yes, and as much of a fact as that is, cold approaching is not just about meeting a woman for sex. You can find your life partner or wife just by approaching a woman and introducing yourself.

I just don't see it as begging.

It ain't.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@Slowhandluke you make it sound as if I claimed that any exchange of money between 2 parties means one had to beg for it. C'mon man, don't misinterpret my message.

So, the exchange of money between 2 parties doesn't mean that one had to beg for it.

But, the exchange of numbers between 2 parties means that one had to beg for it?

You are contradicting yourself.

You have to contradict yourself and defy logic & reasoning, just because you are scared to approach a woman that you find attractive.

For instance, re advertising, it's not the TV ads that are begging, it's the nuisance calls.

Nonsense.

It is the TV ads that are begging and being a nuisance. Your programs are being interrupted with ads that you probably have zero interest in.

It is cool for those ads to be presented to you, trying to sell something to you..

but..

It is not cool for a man to present himself to a woman, as he tries to sell himself to the woman?

Contradicting yourself again....twice in the same post.

A crying shame.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Both approaching strangers and app swiping are terrible means of meeting women.

True, but you have to choose the lesser of two evils.

Cold approaching is better than app swiping. Why?

Because when you are app swiping, you are competing against dozens (if not hundreds) of other men, making the probability of her choosing you very low.

However, most of those guys that are app swiping are afraid to cold approach.

So, those same guys that you are competing with on dating sites, are NOT the same guys that you are competing with out in the field.

So you improve your chances significantly with cold approaching...pretty much the entire playing field belongs to you.

I rarely do dating apps. I am a hunter. I like the thrill of the hunt.

Dating apps serves its purpose, but am a hunter. I like going out and GETTING mines.

They both involve a lot of rejections, though the rejections on apps are asynchronous and not real time, often making them easier to swallow in theory. It can be very demoralizing to do a 2-3 approach session on a walking path and not come away with any planned dates.

True, but at the same time, it can be demoralizing to send a woman a message on an app, and see that she left your message on "seen"...and a week has pasted, and your message is still on seen, and she has been logging on every got damn day since you left her the message.

That can be demoralizing too.

It can be very demoralizing to spend 2-3 hours in 1-2 bars on a Saturday night and not get your penis wet or set up any future dates.

It is a numbers game....everything is a numbers game. That is why I say, if you work those certain self-improvement tips, it will be extremely rare for you to go 2-3 hours without having something lined up.

Mannn, back in my hey day, I used to go to the club on a Saturday night was guaranteed to go home with something.

I didn't even have to cold approach...within 5 minutes of me entering the club, I would just wait on the choosing signals...and I got them.

In fact, that is how I met my wife (long story ).

I walked in the club, my swag juice was dripping, and as soon as I walked in and looked around, this one lady stood up and pointed at me with a smile on her face.

She chose me and the rest is history.

Now sure, you will have those rare nights where ain't sh!t going your way...but every soldier knows that some days, he may get shot at.

Its all good either way.

But I digress. I am more of a day game kind of guy now.

Some of the social circle based means of finding dates are more effective and also more efficient. Lower rejection rates. Less of a demoralizing feel.

Social circles are cool, I'm not knocking it. I have no problems being social, if needed.

However, I am a lone-wolf by nature. More reserved, prefer solitude.

You can get laid with both approaching strangers and app swiping. Plenty of men doing it. When I call them terrible, it's because most men will have to put up with a lot of garbage in order to have some success with them. I've even had successes with them but I've endured a lot of rejections/trauma in order to achieve on them. I never had a viable social circle so I had to choose between two less than ideal options.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Social circle stuff is usually going to give you the least amount of aggravation, though after a while you might burn out of your social circle if you don't follow the blue pill path of putting a ring on it, buying a house, and having children. After burning through a social circle, a man who actually once had a social circle might be in a position of being 35-50 and having to choose between approaching strangers, app swiping, or DMing on Instagram.

Unless the social circle is full of swingers, dating around and being promiscuous is looked down in most social circle and is a reason to kick people out. Nobody wants their sister/friend to be dating a "player"... nobody wants their brother to be dating a slvt that "plays around" with a guys feelings, etc..

So yeah, if a person wants a lot of sex, cold approach is best. Have a social circle for "real relationships", and cold approach for casual stuff (with a small chance that it can become something "more" than casual)..

 

[pipeman84]

You fall in under one of these two categories.

1. You are scared/terrified to cold approach women because you are afraid of impeding rejection.

2. You tried cold approaching before and was rejected and now you have approach anxiety.

Wrong, it's 3. Never tried because I see it as demeaning, even the thought of it is revolting to me.

It is not cool for a man to present himself to a woman, as he tries to sell himself to the woman?

Contradicting yourself again....twice in the same post.

Since when it's cool for men to sell themselves to women? Since the very recent history as the men have steadily been pvssified through (lack) of education and media and movies propaganda where the man is portrayed as the hapless person who can't do anything right unless helped by the beautiful, smart woman.
The natural order which is present in the animal kingdom as well is for females to make themselves visible and attractive (makeup, dress etc) then indicate that she wants to be approached.

Asking a woman for her number is no different than being in school and asking a classmate for a pencil.

Either he/she is going to give you a pencil, or they won't.

Wrong analogy. Firstly, you have already an established relationship...you're classmates, not perfect strangers. Secondly, that's a direct, honest request for a pen not a thinly veiled one (dinner/movie) for what in reality is
pvssy.

I didn't even have to cold approach...within 5 minutes of me entering the club, I would just wait on the choosing signals...and I got them.

A club is a different thing from a supermarket. And you had choosing signals. If the woman gave you choosing signals in Walmart, then it would be warm approach and I wouldn't have said anything.

I've had women be impressed with the boldness of my approach...and all of the women that I've bagged or at LEAST have gotten their numbers, did not think I was being demeaning to them. They were flattered and/or impressed.

It's demeaning to the man. For most women is an annoyance. I get it, some women who have low self-esteem, are messed up in the head, whatever...are going to be flattered by a stranger paying them attention. So flattered that they'll even have sex with him... I don't see anything to be proud about in going through so many women till I find one dumb enough to fall for 'hey you're cute, give me your number', but hey, each to their own.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Wrong, it's 3. Never tried because I see it as demeaning, even the thought of it is revolting to me.

Since when it's cool for men to sell themselves to women? Since the very recent history as the men have steadily been pvssified through (lack) of education and media and movies propaganda where the man is portrayed as the hapless person who can't do anything right unless helped by the beautiful, smart woman.
The natural order which is present in the animal kingdom as well is for females to make themselves visible and attractive (makeup, dress etc) then indicate that she wants to be approached.

Wrong analogy. Firstly, you have already an established relationship...you're classmates, not perfect strangers. Secondly, that's a direct, honest request for a pen not a thinly veiled one (dinner/movie) for what in reality is
pvssy.


A club is a different thing from a supermarket. And you had choosing signals. If the woman gave you choosing signals in Walmart, then it would be warm approach and I wouldn't have said anything.

It's demeaning to the man. For most women is an annoyance. I get it, some women who have low self-esteem, are messed up in the head, whatever...are going to be flattered by a stranger paying them attention. So flattered that they'll even have sex with him... I don't see anything to be proud about in going through so many women till I find one dumb enough to fall for 'hey you're cute, give me your number', but hey, each to their own.

SOOOooooOOOoo basically, "hold frame", wait in the corner and wait for the babes to come to you? IMHO, that does not work for me, but I guess for some people it works.. Oh well, whatever...

If I find a girl attractive, I go and talk to her. I find a way to minimize the "awkwardness" (find an excuse to talk to her)I don't wait in the corner. Most of the time, it will be awkward for the first few seconds, however, if the girl is cool (someone I want to hang with), she will notice this and try to make it less awkward for everyone even if she is not interested. Cold approach is really no big deal. If she makes it a big deal, thats just a red flag and be glad she showed it earlier than later.

 

[pipeman84]

SOOOooooOOOoo basically, "hold frame", wait in the corner and wait for the babes to come to you? IMHO, that does not work for me, but I guess for some people it works.. Oh well, whatever...

Wait for IOIs then if you find her attractive, approach. That's the alpha way....man is seen as the prize, the woman wants and hopes to be acknowledged by the man she perceives as superior and desirable. Now compare that to cold approach and swipe apps, where the women are seen as the prize and men supplicate for access to their pvssy.

If I find a girl attractive, I go and talk to her.

That's fine and is masculine...you go after what you want. It's the 'you're cute, can I have your #' approach that rubs me the wrong way. Firstly, you start by putting her on a pedestal...she might be cute or not (maybe from afar she seemed cute, when you go up close you realize she's not) with the compliment. Secondly you show all your cards so to speak and declare you're all in when you don't know absolutely anything about her. That broadcasts to her that you're thirsty/have low standards/manipulative or a combination thereof. Thirdly, you put yourself in the inferior position where a total stranger can accept/reject you.

 

[Slowhandluke]

That's fine and is masculine...you go after what you want. It's the 'you're cute, can I have your #' approach that rubs me the wrong way. Firstly, you start by putting her on a pedestal...she might be cute or not (maybe from afar she seemed cute, when you go up close you realize she's not) with the compliment. Secondly you show all your cards so to speak and declare you're all in when you don't know absolutely anything about her. That broadcasts to her that you're thirsty/have low standards/manipulative or a combination thereof. Thirdly, you put yourself in the inferior position where a total stranger can accept/reject you.

I use to think that way... but now I just think of approaching women as just approaching women. It's no big deal. I approach a lot of women who I think are attractive. Just because a particular attractive girl rejects me, I just don't care. In life there are a lot of attractive girls.

It's always fun to be rejected by a girl, and then 30 minutes later have that same girl looking at me with the corner of her eye noticing that I and people I just met are having fun with each other, being social. Lets be honest, most people are shy (guys and girls). There has to be someone willing to break the ice or else nobody is going to be having fun at the venue (unless the venue is full of "closed off cliques" which means it's a bad venue in general for meeting unfamiliar people).

I guess what you mean is to be extremely forward about getting a number. I guess I agree with you on that point but if there is limited time to get to know someone - (people are leaving, the bar is closing, you got work the next day, etc.), it's better to be direct.

Oh well, whatever, my cards are "I find you attractive. I want to know more about you. Perhaps if we vibe, I'll ask you for you number." That's it. My cards are on the table their reaction will show me the type of person they are. Less games this way.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Wrong, it's 3. Never tried because I see it as demeaning, even the thought of it is revolting to me.

Yeah, and the thought of a man who sees a woman that he finds attractive and refuses to go after her...the thought of that is revolting to me.

If you aint gon talk to her, I will.

And while I am at the movies with her sucking on her titties, you can continue to find social circles to be part of.

Since when it's cool for men to sell themselves to women?

Reading comprehension.

By selling yourself, I mean "presenting" yourself as an enticing/appeasing option to her.

It doesn't have to mean anything monetary.

I can try to sell you the idea that Lebron is the GOAT over MJ.

I can try to sell you a dream that one day, cancer will be cured.

Has nothing to do with money.

Since the very recent history as the men have steadily been pvssified through (lack) of education and media and movies propaganda where the man is portrayed as the hapless person who can't do anything right unless helped by the beautiful, smart woman.

Don't know what movies you've been watching...

The natural order which is present in the animal kingdom as well is for females to make themselves visible and attractive (makeup, dress etc) then indicate that she wants to be approached.

I've been successful with women that I've approached who wore no makeup or fancy dress attire, and I wouldn't have been successful with them had I not approached them.

Wrong analogy. Firstly, you have already an established relationship...you're classmates, not perfect strangers.

So, a stranger that asks another stranger...

"Hey, brother...do you have a pen I can borrow, I need to write an address down right quick".

That is begging?

No, it isn't.

Secondly, that's a direct, honest request for a pen not a thinly veiled one (dinner/movie) for what in reality is
pvssy.

It is a direct, honest request for her number, too. I really want her number, and I really want to go out to dinner/movie, and I really want to SMASH.

No lying or faking is required.

A club is a different thing from a supermarket.

Even at the club, the woman is still a stranger and you STILL have to make the approach. The same concept, different location.

And you had choosing signals. If the woman gave you choosing signals in Walmart, then it would be warm approach and I wouldn't have said anything.

Um, most of the women I met at Walmart did not even see me before I made the approach. I do not rely on choosing signals.

It's demeaning to the man. For most women is an annoyance.

No woman that I ever approached expressed annoyance...and even my rejections were kind and polite...because most women are flattered when a man approaches them.

You already admitted that you never cold approached before, so you do not have any experience nor reasons to believe what you are saying.

I, on the other hand, have actual in field experience and I am telling you what I know, not what I am assuming.

I get it, some women who have low self-esteem, are messed up in the head, whatever...are going to be flattered by a stranger paying them attention.

Their self esteem are no more lower than the women that you find in your social circles. Oh, I get it...only the women in your social circles have high self esteem and have their head on tight.

Nonsense.

So flattered that they'll even have sex with him... I don't see anything to be proud about in going through so many women till I find one dumb enough to fall for 'hey you're cute, give me your number', but hey, each to their own.

I don't see anything to be righteous about, as far as going to the store and seeing dozens of women that you are attracted to, but for some unproven reason, thinking that the woman will be annoyed if you walk up and ask her out on a date.

But hey, each to their own.

You think you are doing the woman a favor by not approaching them, when in reality, you are doing yourself a disservice, which means one less man I have to compete with out in the field.

 

[pipeman84]

No woman that I ever approached expressed annoyance...and even my rejections were kind and polite...because most women are flattered when a man approaches them.

I've read enough threads on this forum and other sites, seen enough infield videos on YouTube and have enough common sense (aka wasn't born yesterday) to confidently say that cold approaching is an annoyance to the vast majority of women.

I don't see anything to be righteous about, as far as going to the store and seeing dozens of women that you are attracted to, but for some unproven reason, thinking that the woman will be annoyed if you walk up and ask her out on a date.

But hey, each to their own.

You think you are doing the woman a favor by not approaching them, when in reality, you are doing yourself a disservice, which means one less man I have to compete with out in the field.

When I'm at the store, beside the women I also see plenty products with attractive packaging that on closer look and reading the ingredients prove to be utter garbage. Trying to cook and eat a meal with products based solely on the attractiveness of the packaging sounds like a nightmare to me. Just like the prospect of spending time with a woman I know nothing about. So it's not about doing some random woman a favor by not approaching, I'm doing ME a favor. How I spend my time and the company I keep are important to me.

Anyway, I respect how you defend your position, it lead to a stimulating conversation. #winwin

 

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cold approaching is an annoyance to the vast majority of women.

Even a decent cold approacher will have a lot of unpleasant interactions. This thread is evidence of that. @Jesse Pinkman has had some successes in cold approaching but he's gotten a ton of rejections. That can be bruising to the ego. The hope is that there are enough successes to offset the rejections.

Jesse Pinkman's approach/field reports thread.

So I thought that since I am going out and approaching so much, why not post a field report thread. Yeah, it is a little over 3 AM and I am posting this but whatever. Hate to post a new thread every time I go out and do approaches so I will just keep bumping this one (until mods make an official...

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you can continue to find social circles to be part of.

Social circle is great for getting a girlfriend. Pay close attention to the words "a girlfriend". That means one girlfriend. If you're looking for an extended relationship (2-5 years or more), your best bet for getting that with the least amount of grief and frustration is social circle. Many men who get social circle girlfriends tend to retain those girlfriends for a long time and often beyond the useful life of the relationship. A lot of the social circle girlfriend guys are beta males and beta males operate from a scarcity mindset. It's common to see a 10+ year relationship relationship from social circle which does lead to a marriage proposal.

When considering the mindset of men with social circle successes, these men often have blue pill conditioning about how life should progress. According to their blue pill conditioning, the path is supposed to be: meet woman, start relationship, put a ring on it, get house in suburbs, have babies. I also think a lot of these blue pill men live in fear of the reactions of other people in their social circle if they deviate from blue pill/normie life development path.

A social circle introduction is a higher percentage play than a swipe app interaction or approaching a stranger (either in a bar or non-bar setting). I've never had a social circle capable of providing me introductions so over the past 20+ years, I've either had to use technology or approach strangers to find dates. It's a more difficult path and it's not a path I recommend highly. Social circle is better in the shorter to medium term. You can get a solid, medium term (1-4 years) girlfriend via social circles more easily than through approaches or swiping more easily.

The problem with social circles becomes sustainability. For instance, I've lived in my current city over 10 years. Social circles have a way of getting pissed off at men who continually exchange girlfriends without marriage or babies, even if the relationships are semi-long (1-4 years). After 2 or so instances of medium term relationships, the social circle will run dry. Social circle is not likely ideal for serial monogamist who does have extended relationships but doesn't commit or the player type who tends to have relationships of less than 1 year. The serial monogamist will likely exhaust his social circle options in roughly 3-7 years, whereas a player type would piss off a social circle in less than 2 years.

You think you are doing the woman a favor by not approaching them, when in reality, you are doing yourself a disservice, which means one less man I have to compete with out in the field.

He's not doing them a favor. He is doing himself a disservice, unless he's getting an inordinate amount of choosing signals (IOIs) from women and then doing those approaches. Doing approaches with IOIs given first is a better effort. Someone who only approaches women who give off IOIs will do fewer approaches, but those approaches are more likely to be useful approaches.

 

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I've read enough threads on this forum and other sites, seen enough infield videos on YouTube and have enough common sense (aka wasn't born yesterday) to confidently say that cold approaching is an annoyance to the vast majority of women.

Fallacious reasoning.

Lets conduct a syllogism test, shall we.

1. I am a college basketball player.

2. A large percentage of college basketball players do not make it to the NBA.

3. Therefore, I will not make it to the NBA.

In philosophy, that is what is called a non sequitur.

In other words, the conclusion does not follow from the premises...making the argument fallacious.

And besides that, you are relying on the experiences of others...while I am relying on experiences from MYSELF.

Big difference.

When I'm at the store, beside the women I also see plenty products with attractive packaging that on closer look and reading the ingredients prove to be utter garbage. Trying to cook and eat a meal with products based solely on the attractiveness of the packaging sounds like a nightmare to me. Just like the prospect of spending time with a woman I know nothing about. So it's not about doing some random woman a favor by not approaching, I'm doing ME a favor. How I spend my time and the company I keep are important to me.

First of all, brodie...it depends on what you are looking for.

Are you trying to marry the chick or are you just trying to smash? Things tend to change depending on what you are trying to accomplish.

If you are just trying to smash, then you do not need to "get to know her".

But if you are looking for a serious relationship, then yeah, certainly, get to know her..by all means.

Anyway, I respect how you defend your position, it lead to a stimulating conversation. #winwin

Fa sho. Thanks.