I am really struggling to get girls - would like new ideas.

[Rainman4707]

That's the impression I get, particularly from the 3rd and 6th photo. The kind of guy who would ask the girl 'can I kiss you'...that kind of vibe.

Asking if he can kiss her....surely that dosent make him "unmasculine"

 

[boom786]

Guys just an update on this thread - I got laid for the first time a few days ago following the sending of the initial message - although the thread did help and I appreciate it just going to drop some insights on what i thought went right.

- I was playfully positive and persistent whilst still in good frame control and got the girl to come over and be very sexual despite some hiccups initially - and I would have lost the opportunity had I given up too quickly or withdrew attention like Corey Wayne and AMS etc say - I think maybe at the start it is important to be persistent and patient but once you get laid or meet then you can't always be hitting her up as Corey Wayne and AMS say - but still testing this.

- This time I had lots more things to do at my place - and that allowed me to turn her on before she could leave - I just kept distracting her and turning her on unlike another girl I brought back to my place that I didn't get to bang recently.

- Although I'm out of shape at the moment and didn't talk to her about my job or any beta qualities at all she was super into me and i was very dominant over her and i think it's just cause I had very good frame control over her and I got her to do a lot for me like roll up the weed and I kept qualifying and disqualifying her playfully and set a sexual tone from the very start. I downplayed any beta qualities or the money I had and just invited her to my place and just tried vibing and being as fun and in the moment as possible just doing weed/drinking so I think she placed me in the lover category etc. She also placed me in lover category cause I told her to do things for me and get me small things and got her to pay small amounts like £5 for drinks just to get her investment high. I have seen that spending money on girls etc does make them more prudish cause I think they put you in boyfriend category. By the time she left she was super concerned about how she left the place and was qualifying etc which to me is a good sign. I tried making it as sexual as possible to the point where we were recording videos of us - bear in mind she was a Pakistani girl but I just did not let her put her self in the madonna category in my mind or her mind and treated her very sexually.

- Todd V really helped in changing some of my thinking in terms of escalation and texting and he was super helpful - I've been trying some texting things on girls and I'm surprised as to what I have been able to get away with by being bold and gently escalating on girls over text - so do check him out - I still do respect Corey Wayne and AMS but I think they downplay the escalation side of things in terms of getting her out on a date and their cut off points at the beginning with girls is too much - and that might be good for long term for marriage but for getting laid it's not perhaps the best. But I am not making a complete judgement and just learning and practising and testing. Also 'Playing With Fire' Youtuber is very good at text game as well.

Let me know if you guys have any reflections following this and any suggestions!

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

That's racist! I am that guy, except I make more like 4 figures. And I have no struggles. Stop equating your value as a man with how much money you make.

The amount of money you make does matter, don’t lie to yourself. If you want to date bottom tier girls for the rest of your life, go ahead and follow the broke man seduction path. However, there are consequences to this though.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Guys just an update on this thread - I got laid for the first time a few days ago following the sending of the initial message - although the thread did help and I appreciate it just going to drop some insights on what i thought went right.

- I was playfully positive and persistent whilst still in good frame control and got the girl to come over and be very sexual despite some hiccups initially - and I would have lost the opportunity had I given up too quickly or withdrew attention like Corey Wayne and AMS etc say - I think maybe at the start it is important to be persistent and patient but once you get laid or meet then you can't always be hitting her up as Corey Wayne and AMS say - but still testing this.

- This time I had lots more things to do at my place - and that allowed me to turn her on before she could leave - I just kept distracting her and turning her on unlike another girl I brought back to my place that I didn't get to bang recently.

- Although I'm out of shape at the moment and didn't talk to her about my job or any beta qualities at all she was super into me and i was very dominant over her and i think it's just cause I had very good frame control over her and I got her to do a lot for me like roll up the weed and I kept qualifying and disqualifying her playfully and set a sexual tone from the very start. I downplayed any beta qualities or the money I had and just invited her to my place and just tried vibing and being as fun and in the moment as possible just doing weed/drinking so I think she placed me in the lover category etc. She also placed me in lover category cause I told her to do things for me and get me small things and got her to pay small amounts like £5 for drinks just to get her investment high. I have seen that spending money on girls etc does make them more prudish cause I think they put you in boyfriend category. By the time she left she was super concerned about how she left the place and was qualifying etc which to me is a good sign. I tried making it as sexual as possible to the point where we were recording videos of us - bear in mind she was a Pakistani girl but I just did not let her put her self in the madonna category in my mind or her mind and treated her very sexually.

- Todd V really helped in changing some of my thinking in terms of escalation and texting and he was super helpful - I've been trying some texting things on girls and I'm surprised as to what I have been able to get away with by being bold and gently escalating on girls over text - so do check him out - I still do respect Corey Wayne and AMS but I think they downplay the escalation side of things in terms of getting her out on a date and their cut off points at the beginning with girls is too much - and that might be good for long term for marriage but for getting laid it's not perhaps the best. But I am not making a complete judgement and just learning and practising and testing. Also 'Playing With Fire' Youtuber is very good at text game as well.

Let me know if you guys have any reflections following this and any suggestions!

That’s awesome! Great job dude