I am really struggling to get girls - would like new ideas.

[boom786]

Hi Guys,

I've really been struggling to get any girls after literally a tonne of effort and at this point I am starting to run out of ideas. I've only used online channels (95%) like dating apps (muzzmatch 250 matches) and Instagram where I have more than 2,150 followers with 1630 following and a really cool profile and I've slid into like the DMs of more than 150 girls but with very little success. In the past few months I've met like 6 girls all asian (given that I am Pakistani and 23 myself) after exerting a tonne of effort and none of them really led to anywhere - 5 didn't make it past first date and one made it to my place on the second date but we kissed and fooled around and then she ghosted me.

It's starting to weigh on me how after so much effort (past 6 months) where I've spent a tonne of time on my profiles and messaging girls and despite having decent looks being 6 foot going to a top 3 uni, having my own place in London, a reputable job as a consultant, decent looks especially online, pretty much reading every game book ever and having been with at least 10 girls on dates in my life I can't seem to push anything forwards? Does anyone have any advice please? Is there some easy way to just get laid or get some girl who'll really be into me? The amount of girls that have flaked and not shown interest etc is genuinely crazy. I understand game concepts pretty well as well but still no results sadly.

At the start, I was following Corey Wayne game and didn't really get too many results and I have a thorough understanding of his work. I've also read a tonne of other stuff from Rollo to Pook to bits of Doc Love to Brennt Smith, Chateau Heartiste etc, more than 30 books on the topic at least but still no action. Recently I've been learning from Todd V and Playing With Fire but still no action. Any advice or any suggestions on who to read or how to go about things to improve the odds of success? I genuinely cannot comprehend how despite having such a good Instagram and messaging so many girls I can't get any girls (current success rate is 1 in 150 girls) and how on Muzzmatch despite such a killer profile with 250 matches nothing really ever progressed. So many girls just seem to go silent on me, ignore my message and flake on me or don't show up on a second date or want to have sex. Any suggestions? Appreciate it thank you.

 

[corrector]

What is your looks rating?

 

[adanricci]

Go outside. **** apps. Corey Wayne doesn't tell you to go on apps.

My gf got dms by verified IG superstar actors but they were in her spam and she only saw them 2 years after the fact. Meanwhile, I said hi on a hiking trip and skipped the line of thirsty loser app dudes. There's no competition outside, especially if you're good looking and know how to speak.

 

[SW15]

Instagram where I have more than 2,150 followers with 1630 following and a really cool profile and I've slid into like the DMs of more than 150 girls but with very little success.

I genuinely cannot comprehend how despite having such a good Instagram

You have a legitimate complaint about Instagram. You have more followers than you are following, which is good.

On LinkedIn, you aren't shiit until you have at least 15,000 - 30,000 Connections/Followers. I'm thinking Instagram is likely the same way. Although your current ratio is good and a legitimate point of pride, you don't likely have enough followers to impress the most attractive women on Instagram.

In the past few months I've met like 6 girls all asian (given that I am Pakistani and 23 myself) after exerting a tonne of effort and none of them really led to anywhere - 5 didn't make it past first date and one made it to my place on the second date but we kissed and fooled around and then she ghosted me.

It's starting to weigh on me how after so much effort (past 6 months) where I've spent a tonne of time on my profiles and messaging girls and despite having decent looks being 6 foot going to a top 3 uni, having my own place in London, a reputable job as a consultant, decent looks especially online, pretty much reading every game book ever and having been with at least 10 girls on dates in my life I can't seem to push anything forwards? Does anyone have any advice please?

The amount of girls that have flaked and not shown interest etc is genuinely crazy. I understand game concepts pretty well as well but still no results sadly.

So many girls just seem to go silent on me, ignore my message and flake on me or don't show up on a second date or want to have sex.

A lot of "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions + plenty of ghostings/flakings over text message will psychologically traumatize a man. The way you are feeling is normal given your experiences trying to arrange dates via technological means.

You're 6'0" + with a top tier consulting job and women are still treating you like shiit. That's amazing!

Right now, you need to delete your dating apps and not use Instagram for random DM'ing effort. Focus solely on approaching women in real life.

Your first date game might be a little bit weak but it's too difficult to tell. Remember that women on apps have astronomical expectations, even South Asian women in England. White women in the USA are notoriously bad for their sky high expectations. Because of outrageous expectations, many good men fail to accomplish much on the apps.

 

[pipeman84]

What does Corey Wayne say repeatedly? The phone is for setting dates...not for talking, chit-chat and certainly not for wasting time on apps. Go into the real world, put your phone and earbuds in your pocket and pay attention around you....being in London, there's really no excuse.

 

[Gamisch]

You have a legitimate complaint about Instagram. You have more followers than you are following, which is good.

On LinkedIn, you aren't shiit until you have at least 15,000 - 30,000 Connections/Followers. I'm thinking Instagram is likely the same way. Although your current ratio is good and a legitimate point of pride, you don't likely have enough followers to impress the most attractive women on Instagram.



A lot of "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions + plenty of ghostings/flakings over text message will psychologically traumatize a man. The way you are feeling is normal given your experiences trying to arrange dates via technological means.

You're 6'0" + with a top tier consulting job and women are still treating you like shiit. That's amazing!

Right now, you need to delete your dating apps and not use Instagram for random DM'ing effort. Focus solely on approaching women in real life.

Your first date game might be a little bit weak but it's too difficult to tell. Remember that women on apps have astronomical expectations, even South Asian women in England. White women in the USA are notoriously bad for their sky high expectations. Because of outrageous expectations, many good men fail to accomplish much on the apps.

Its mind boggling that more and more young dudes, while in the prime of their lives, are unable to pull women.

You cant say OP doesn't put in the work. At this point I would advice OP to go "all in", and upload some pictures so some experienced members can give him feedback on his style, hair, clothes ect.

My questions to OP;
- do you approach
-do you have a social circle
-are you willing to fck women beneath your own SMV.

 

[boom786]

What is your looks rating?

My looks facially are quite good and style is good too but I am fairly chubby but can still look good cause i have good facial genes so a skinny face at all times. Online I think i look really good cause of very good editing etc. Online I think I look 8/10, Facially I think i am 8/10 Style I think I am 7/10 and get lots of compliments on that all the time as I always wear nice suits and glasses and watches etc and have spent plenty of money on it etc, I'm often wearing £1,000 - £3,000 outfits. Body I'm 6 foot and 102 KG with good muscle but also lots of fat so i think I am a 4/10 with my shirt off and ignoring face. I can understand getting rejected in bed or something but can't understand getting rejected online or just in person casually.

In normal life, i do get indicators of interests from girls, like from 30-40% of them, but when I message them trying to set dates it doesn't work or they all work at my workplace and so I don't make the move due to being scared of potentially losing my job - and in general I don't want to date at my workplace.

 

[corrector]

You're 6'0" + with a top tier consulting job and women are still treating you like shiit. That's amazing!

No its not. You did not read where he is from?

 

[boom786]

Go outside. **** apps. Corey Wayne doesn't tell you to go on apps.

My gf got dms by verified IG superstar actors but they were in her spam and she only saw them 2 years after the fact. Meanwhile, I said hi on a hiking trip and skipped the line of thirsty loser app dudes. There's no competition outside, especially if you're good looking and know how to speak.

Yh man fairs it might be that and guess i should go out more. Only thing though even the girls I meet in real life will be playing mind games or some ****. Like I met a girl recently and was very smooth, honestly I'm better than her in every way but she's still playing mind games and the girls I do manage to get out and meet in person even they just end up ghosting or flaking or rejecting so idk man. Any other super tips perhaps in terms of how to just be good at closing or some life hack that really helped you? - or is there any YouTubers or books you suggest that really helped you?

 

[corrector]

My looks facially are quite good and style is good too but I am fairly chubby but can still look good cause i have good facial genes so a skinny face at all times. Online I think i look really good cause of very good editing etc. Online I think I look 8/10, Facially I think i am 8/10 Style I think I am 7/10 and get lots of compliments on that all the time as I always wear nice suits and glasses and watches etc and have spent plenty of money on it etc, I'm often wearing £1,000 - £3,000 outfits. Body I'm 6 foot and 102 KG with good muscle but also lots of fat so i think I am a 4/10 with my shirt off and ignoring face. I can understand getting rejected in bed or something but can't understand getting rejected online or just in person casually.

In normal life, i do get indicators of interests from girls, like from 30-40% of them, but when I message them trying to set dates it doesn't work or they all work at my workplace and so I don't make the move due to being scared of potentially losing my job - and in general I don't want to date at my workplace.

Have you tried photofeeler?

 

[boom786]

Its mind boggling that more and more young dudes, while in the prime of their lives, are unable to pull women.

You cant say OP doesn't put in the work. At this point I would advice OP to go "all in", and upload some pictures so some experienced members can give him feedback on his style, hair, clothes ect.

My questions to OP;
- do you approach
-do you have a social circle
-are you willing to fck women beneath your own SMV.

Thanks man.

I don't do cold approach to girls I don't know like on the street but i do approach if I sense indicators of interest and if it's outside of work but I mostly don't go to social events cause it takes so much time and my life mostly revolves around work. I do have a social circle but mostly at work or guy friends and don't have girls from outside of work and I don't want to date in work out of fear of getting fired due to HR. And yh would definitely smash 5 and above.

How i look is in this video - I'm the guy on the right -

 

[boom786]

Have you tried photofeeler?

I have got 5-9 on most photos - I'm the guy on the right in this video

 

[boom786]

What does Corey Wayne say repeatedly? The phone is for setting dates...not for talking, chit-chat and certainly not for wasting time on apps. Go into the real world, put your phone and earbuds in your pocket and pay attention around you....being in London, there's really no excuse.

Yh man - I've tried coach Corey Wayne method online and it doesn't work too well but does get the occasional girl coming back but also leaves a lot of girls on the table but I agree i should go out more. Lately I've been watching Sergio Sorokin (Todd V) a lot and his stuff seems better for getting girls out potentially but still playing around with it. I've gotten 8 dates from Instagram in my life and that's the only one I use now but yh will try going out more.

Out of curiosity have you ever come across anyone better than Coach Corey Wayne? I think Mark Manson / Todd V might be slightly better but yh still playing around with it - any suggestions would be welcome thanks.

 

[boom786]

You have a legitimate complaint about Instagram. You have more followers than you are following, which is good.

On LinkedIn, you aren't shiit until you have at least 15,000 - 30,000 Connections/Followers. I'm thinking Instagram is likely the same way. Although your current ratio is good and a legitimate point of pride, you don't likely have enough followers to impress the most attractive women on Instagram.



A lot of "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions + plenty of ghostings/flakings over text message will psychologically traumatize a man. The way you are feeling is normal given your experiences trying to arrange dates via technological means.

You're 6'0" + with a top tier consulting job and women are still treating you like shiit. That's amazing!

Right now, you need to delete your dating apps and not use Instagram for random DM'ing effort. Focus solely on approaching women in real life.

Your first date game might be a little bit weak but it's too difficult to tell. Remember that women on apps have astronomical expectations, even South Asian women in England. White women in the USA are notoriously bad for their sky high expectations. Because of outrageous expectations, many good men fail to accomplish much on the apps.

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Thanks man quite encouraging and thanks for the detailed reply. I've thought my first dates are usually good and I learn each time - I usually take the girls to a scenic area/water based area of London with like a route planned out in my head for sitting etc - Canary Wharf and grab some drinks and then walk around water/gardens and then some food and golf usually but now I'm planning on taking girls to shisha and ball pit as first date - I usually end up spending £30-70 per date sometimes £10 depending on scenario and sometimes the girls pay a bit.

Any book or youtube channel or fairly quick thing that really helped your game?

I think I need to work on my emotional spiking and vibzing skills more which are 7/10 atm IMO - and gym/looks - facially an 8 but without shirt body a 4 and maybe create/learn more contextual status scenarios and just work on having more sex to improve skills. Amongst friends and at work I'm socially quite good but again can't really seem to close the deal or go all the way with any one girl.

 

[pipeman84]

Out of curiosity have you ever come across anyone better than Coach Corey Wayne? I think Mark Manson / Todd V might be slightly better but yh still playing around with it - any suggestions would be welcome thanks.

From him I found out about Doc Love and Zan Perrion who I believe are both above him. Man, for all the time and energy you waste on apps and IG you could book a flight to Amsterdam and fvck till your lower back and your d!ck can't handle it anymore. If you're looking to actually interact with girls and form meaningful relationships, I repeat, go out into the real world, you're in London, not middle of nowhere Wales.

 

[Gamisch]

Thanks man.

I don't do cold approach to girls I don't know like on the street but i do approach if I sense indicators of interest and if it's outside of work but I mostly don't go to social events cause it takes so much time and my life mostly revolves around work. I do have a social circle but mostly at work or guy friends and don't have girls from outside of work and I don't want to date in work out of fear of getting fired due to HR. And yh would definitely smash 5 and above.

How i look is in this video - I'm the guy on the right -

Aight that's you in the video. Great to have a total picture of you. Perhaps you should hit the gym regularly these upcoming months. Just to check all the boxes you know..

If you are a muslim, isnt it possible to arrange dates via the Mosque?

Do you have your own place? If yes, does it need an upgrade? How is your cologne game? Texting game? You see there are still countless ways to go wrong with women. You gotta go full circle and dont give up.

 

[boom786]

From him I found out about Doc Love and Zan Perrion who I believe are both above him. Man, for all the time and energy you waste on apps and IG you could book a flight to Amsterdam and fvck till your lower back and your d!ck can't handle it anymore. If you're looking to actually interact with girls and form meaningful relationships, I repeat, go out into the real world, you're in London, not middle of nowhere Wales.

Yh man - I sort of had a dream that I'd be able to get girls from Instagram cause it's high volume and low time investment if I just got my texting skills up enough - but that might be wrong. I guess the belief came from a friend who has like 140 followers and 2 normal posts and is a decent looking guy and he gets girls from dating apps and muzzmatch cause his text game is so good which has made me wonder but let's see.

I'm going Tunisia this month for 14 days to try and get some dating scene abroad - apparently they speak really good English but let's see. But yh agreed should go out more and will give Doc Love and Zan Perrion stuff another deep look, thanks!

 

[boom786]

Aight that's you in the video. Great to have a total picture of you. Perhaps you should hit the gym regularly these upcoming months. Just to check all the boxes you know..

If you are a muslim, isnt it possible to arrange dates via the Mosque?

Do you have your own place? If yes, does it need an upgrade? How is your cologne game? Texting game? You see there are still countless ways to go wrong with women. You gotta go full circle and dont give up.

Yh man that is definitely the medium term to long term aim. Cologne game is good - usually get compliments and I'll improve on it a bit more - currently use victory from sunna musk gonna get LV L'immenisté or some of their other stuff LV meteorite or something which is out of this world good. My place is good but could do with an upgrade but for that I need a lot of money which I'm working towards - and yh will never give up haha. Text game I'm working on it and it can improve and that's what I'm testing cause i have a guy friend who gets girls coming straight to his place cause of pure text game, he's really good at getting the girls to loosen up and trust him so trying to be like him haha.

Also it's pretty hard to date as a Muslim man especially for short term - not an excuse or a self limiting belief cause there are lots of Muslim hoes but lots of Muslim girls have higher Anti-slut defences and I have been rejected cause of that and I'm calibrating that as we speak. If you're trying to get laid going to a mosque is usually terrible lol

 

[corrector]

I guess the belief came from a friend who has like 140 followers and 2 normal posts and is a decent looking guy

What is your friend's background? BTW 5-9 is some big range.

 

[corrector]

Yh man that is definitely the medium term to long term aim. Cologne game is good - usually get compliments and I'll improve on it a bit more - currently use victory from sunna musk gonna get LV L'immenisté or some of their other stuff LV meteorite or something which is out of this world good. My place is good but could do with an upgrade but for that I need a lot of money which I'm working towards - and yh will never give up haha. Text game I'm working on it and it can improve and that's what I'm testing cause i have a guy friend who gets girls coming straight to his place cause of pure text game, he's really good at getting the girls to loosen up and trust him so trying to be like him haha.

Also it's pretty hard to date as a Muslim man especially for short term - not an excuse or a self limiting belief cause there are lots of Muslim hoes but lots of Muslim girls have higher Anti-slut defences and I have been rejected cause of that and I'm calibrating that as we speak. If you're trying to get laid going to a mosque is usually terrible lol

Its easy to get a quick marriage for sex. I married to have sex and that is how I lost my vcard. Did not deal with anyone after, sex is overrated anyway.