Is She Pulling Back? What's my next move

[soulforge]

It also shows you're not bothered by being ignored. I don't get bothered by it, but I do lose interest.

To each his own, but think it out; if you're busy with lots of engaging things that you're passionate about and have plenty of options with women, why would you circle back to the one that ignored you? Even to explain something blatantly obvious?

Especially if she's saying something like 'you ignoring me now?' You really think she doesn't know that she ignored you when she can look at the last few texts?

You're free to try and explain basic communication skills to her, but I'd say you're being too naive and she's playing games. If you're fine with investing your time having benign conversations more power to you, it's just personally not my style. If she's interested in hanging out she'll be sweet and make it obvious, anything else is attention wh0re bait imo and deserves no response.

To be honest it's not just that she didn't acknowledge when I said to her we can meet at the weekend... She overlooked that offer & said nothing about it, but she also on top of that didn't reach out and text me for 4 days.

Considering I reached out and asked her how she is, and offered to meet, least she could have done is waited a couple of days and messaged for a quick hello and confirm or reject Saturday.

Instead 4 days letter I get a message about how I am ignoring her lol

Clearly proves that she was expecting me to do all the texting/double texting or else the communication between us stops.

Now that I didn't fall for her BS, she is making herself out to be the victim, by making a claim it's me who is ignoring her.

Straight up manipulation lol these biches are crazy

 

[Juanto]

To be honest it's not just that she didn't acknowledge when I said to her we can meet at the weekend... She overlooked that offer & said nothing about it, but she also on top of that didn't reach out and text me for 4 days.

Considering I reached out and asked her how she is, and offered to meet, least she could have done is waited a couple of days and messaged for a quick hello and confirm or reject Saturday.

Instead 4 days letter I get a message about how I am ignoring her lol

Clearly proves that she was expecting me to do all the texting/double texting or else the communication between us stops.

Now that I didn't fall for her BS, she is making herself out to be the victim, by making a claim it's me who is ignoring her.

Straight up manipulation lol these biches are crazy

I think your replies were adequate, nothing wrong with them. Let us know how it plays out after

 

[TheGambino]

@soulforge

Brother. I seem to have same issues as u as I read your posts. I was in a very similar situation with a girl I think has bpd. She was abused for years by her ex and has more symptoms shown to me that go hand in hand with bpd.

Anyhow to help you and me. We need to stop overanalyzing since your woman and mine most likely already moved on.

We run game on women like this and they will instead of chase more eventually test ur boundaries more and hate u for not reacting and committing how they want u do. They will feel unheared, not understood and will after 2-3 months push your boundaries so hard so they or you will decide to break up.

It depends on her interest level and what they expect of u (ltr potential or a clear confirmation of being fwb). But even if it’s sky high and she is looking for ltr she will eventually give up. When they sense a sense of weakness which they most likely (your woman and mine) at some point felt with us they will test harder. During those times of testing their will push away and explore new options (monkey branching).

Your girl is probably already seeing other guys, the moment you feel she is backing away she probably already backed away weeks earlier (same as my case) because she saw it ain’t going nowhere and the more she tests the more her interest level is dropping.

At some point they will be indifferent, they already made the decision that you two won’t work out.

Then our problem tend to be that we keep ourselves distant, hard 2 get, playing the dj game. But you can be vague and playing for a couple of months until your plate will push away and explore a new guy who will give her what she needs. For example her asking for commitment and u going along with it.

Then you and me tend to feel a emptiness and regret afterwards for losing such a good plate and we tend to question ourselves here again after the girl clearly already moved on.

Its a complete time waste for us, effort waste, energy waste. Just move on. This goes for myself also. Your girl is pushing away, she already pushed herself away weeks ago and the new warm and cold behavior you feel or no contact in my case means your woman is in another castle or at least exploring new castles.

In your case, if other guys don’t work out and they act clingy she might come back for “love”. “Cex” “attention” at some point I think if u act kind but indifferent.

In my case I made her so mad true arguments that we both closed the door. It’s over.

We need to stop overanalyzing and spin new plates and work on ourselves so we can attract the woman we want for ltr if that’s what u desire.

Your next move is clearly, nothing. Be kind, aloof and distant and maybe she will be back for cex, but expect everything will be the same if u keep going down this road in a couple of weeks. Same goes for me.

 

[soulforge]

@soulforge

Brother. I seem to have same issues as u as I read your posts. I was in a very similar situation with a girl I think has bpd. She was abused for years by her ex and has more symptoms shown to me that go hand in hand with bpd.

Anyhow to help you and me. We need to stop overanalyzing since your woman and mine most likely already moved on.

We run game on women like this and they will instead of chase more eventually test ur boundaries more and hate u for not reacting and committing how they want u do. They will feel unheared, not understood and will after 2-3 months push your boundaries so hard so they or you will decide to break up.

It depends on her interest level and what they expect of u (ltr potential or a clear confirmation of being fwb). But even if it’s sky high and she is looking for ltr she will eventually give up. When they sense a sense of weakness which they most likely (your woman and mine) at some point felt with us they will test harder. During those times of testing their will push away and explore new options (monkey branching).

Your girl is probably already seeing other guys, the moment you feel she is backing away she probably already backed away weeks earlier (same as my case) because she saw it ain’t going nowhere and the more she tests the more her interest level is dropping.

At some point they will be indifferent, they already made the decision that you two won’t work out.

Then our problem tend to be that we keep ourselves distant, hard 2 get, playing the dj game. But you can be vague and playing for a couple of months until your plate will push away and explore a new guy who will give her what she needs. For example her asking for commitment and u going along with it.

Then you and me tend to feel a emptiness and regret afterwards for losing such a good plate and we tend to question ourselves here again after the girl clearly already moved on.

Its a complete time waste for us, effort waste, energy waste. Just move on. This goes for myself also. Your girl is pushing away, she already pushed herself away weeks ago and the new warm and cold behavior you feel or no contact in my case means your woman is in another castle or at least exploring new castles.

In your case, if other guys don’t work out and they act clingy she might come back for “love”. “Cex” “attention” at some point I think if u act kind but indifferent.

In my case I made her so mad true arguments that we both closed the door. It’s over.

We need to stop overanalyzing and spin new plates and work on ourselves so we can attract the woman we want for ltr if that’s what u desire.

Your next move is clearly, nothing. Be kind, aloof and distant and maybe she will be back for cex, but expect everything will be the same if u keep going down this road in a couple of weeks. Same goes for me.

I don't think it's that deep in my case mate. She's a young hot chick, with a manipulative streak and a thirst for attention.

She tested me because she know I want her sexualy, so she tried to leverage that against me, and it backfired on her.

It's better to identify these type of red flags early and get rid of her, before things become a big headache or she cheats on you

 

[soulforge]

I think your replies were adequate, nothing wrong with them. Let us know how it plays out after

I think my reply to her was reasonable. I simply let her know that wasn't ignoring her and I messaged her a few days ago, and ended the conversation

 

[soulforge]

@soulforge

Brother. I seem to have same issues as u as I read your posts. I was in a very similar situation with a girl I think has bpd. She was abused for years by her ex and has more symptoms shown to me that go hand in hand with bpd.

Anyhow to help you and me. We need to stop overanalyzing since your woman and mine most likely already moved on.

We run game on women like this and they will instead of chase more eventually test ur boundaries more and hate u for not reacting and committing how they want u do. They will feel unheared, not understood and will after 2-3 months push your boundaries so hard so they or you will decide to break up.

It depends on her interest level and what they expect of u (ltr potential or a clear confirmation of being fwb). But even if it’s sky high and she is looking for ltr she will eventually give up. When they sense a sense of weakness which they most likely (your woman and mine) at some point felt with us they will test harder. During those times of testing their will push away and explore new options (monkey branching).

Your girl is probably already seeing other guys, the moment you feel she is backing away she probably already backed away weeks earlier (same as my case) because she saw it ain’t going nowhere and the more she tests the more her interest level is dropping.

At some point they will be indifferent, they already made the decision that you two won’t work out.

Then our problem tend to be that we keep ourselves distant, hard 2 get, playing the dj game. But you can be vague and playing for a couple of months until your plate will push away and explore a new guy who will give her what she needs. For example her asking for commitment and u going along with it.

Then you and me tend to feel a emptiness and regret afterwards for losing such a good plate and we tend to question ourselves here again after the girl clearly already moved on.

Its a complete time waste for us, effort waste, energy waste. Just move on. This goes for myself also. Your girl is pushing away, she already pushed herself away weeks ago and the new warm and cold behavior you feel or no contact in my case means your woman is in another castle or at least exploring new castles.

In your case, if other guys don’t work out and they act clingy she might come back for “love”. “Cex” “attention” at some point I think if u act kind but indifferent.

In my case I made her so mad true arguments that we both closed the door. It’s over.

We need to stop overanalyzing and spin new plates and work on ourselves so we can attract the woman we want for ltr if that’s what u desire.

Your next move is clearly, nothing. Be kind, aloof and distant and maybe she will be back for cex, but expect everything will be the same if u keep going down this road in a couple of weeks. Same goes for me.

I don't think my case had anything to do with clinginess or neediness or loss of attraction mate.

The last time I smashed her, was around two weeks ago, and even though she got a little drunk, she let out that she needs attention and I don't really message her much.

She also indicated she doesn't want just casual. On that same night I sent a text message to a friend and she got upset thinking I messaged a female.

She more likely pulled back, to see if I fold and panic, maybe start chasing her.. I mean I could be wrong, but my impression is she wanted me to chase.

After 4 days of NC she messages me with, why are you ignoring me, that tells me she is still somewhat invested. Maybe she will begin to start exploring other options from here on though

 

[soulforge]

Lol this chick is desperate.

What are the chances that I stop communicating with her, she reaches out last night accusing me of ignoring her.

And today she uploads a sexy new profile picture of herself on Facebook.

Any chance she could be sending out a message? I get the message, however I still don't give a chit how hot you are, your still getting nexted for crappy behaviour.

 

[soulforge]

No you're not nexting her, stop the bullchit, the fact that you still have her on fb, you still write on here about her after you sent the message, you're still waiting for her to chase you, shows you're super invested. I'm not blaming you, I'm suffering from the same as well, but cut the crap, you want her and you're dying for her to text tou something like "I'm sorry for ignoring you, I wanna see you" that's an ego thing, which is fine, but there is no reason to lie, nobody here has the right to judge cause we all have been there.

Wow you sound like an emotional dude. Are you feeling ok pal? Relax take a deep breath.

I simply enjoy observing and laughing at crazy female beh

No you're not nexting her, stop the bullchit, the fact that you still have her on fb, you still write on here about her after you sent the message, you're still waiting for her to chase you, shows you're super invested. I'm not blaming you, I'm suffering from the same as well, but cut the crap, you want her and you're dying for her to text tou something like "I'm sorry for ignoring you, I wanna see you" that's an ego thing, which is fine, but there is no reason to lie, nobody here has the right to judge cause we all have been there.

Wow dude are you always this emotional to be honest mate, if I wanted to see her again or the fact that she is posting sexy pics of herself on Facebook bothered me, then I would have deleted her off my Facebook.

So why haven't I deleted her off my Facebook? Because I simply don't care that much. She's an attention hoe, I have met many Woman like this before. She posts a sexy picture, erm so what. It is what it is.


Do I want to smash her again? Obviously yes

How do I feel if I never smashed her again? Kinda relieved. I had my fun with her.. she isn't LTR material... I know these things have to come to an end.

Would I like to hear from her wanting to fuk again? Erm dude get a fukin grip. This is a 26 year blonde blue eyed, slim sexy Latvian girl.. who wouldn't want to smash her. Get a grip.

I simply found it interesting that on the day that she has realised that I am not falling for her BS, she puts a sexy picture up. This tells me, that she is likely trying to GET TO ME

It's just funny to watch.. but seriously you need to relax, you seem a very tense guy haha

 

[soulforge]

No you're not nexting her, stop the bullchit, the fact that you still have her on fb, you still write on here about her after you sent the message, you're still waiting for her to chase you, shows you're super invested. I'm not blaming you, I'm suffering from the same as well, but cut the crap, you want her and you're dying for her to text tou something like "I'm sorry for ignoring you, I wanna see you" that's an ego thing, which is fine, but there is no reason to lie, nobody here has the right to judge cause we all have been there.

Nobody on here has the right to judge you stated... And yet you made a whole rant on judging me haha.

You are a odd person lol

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I’m replying two pages in not having read about further interactions.

We cannot retrain women, or rather said in most cases we cannot. They either want to do something with us, go out, get naked, want to see us or they don’t. Personally, if I get to the that i would have to point out that I want something she isn’t providing I no longer want her to provide it because it loses value in my mind.

The act - whatever it is - is coerced. I have zero interest in taking anything from a woman she would not provide of her own free will or initiative.

Once you experience a woman you have a indelible chemical bond with it will be a stark contrast with other women. It’s like they are psychic, you might be making out and you think to yourself “damn I’d love it she did X” then suddenly she does. I’ve experienced this a few times and it’s unbelievable and addictive. That is true attraction, it cannot be replaced.

If she’s in, she’ll make every interaction easy - true chemistry with a woman = utter submission.

 

[soulforge]

How do I respond to this text of hers??

"I know you're busy but can I ask you something? I don't want to sound like I'm begging or something. But if you don't like somebody & you spend time with them & get that kinda connection, don't you think it's better to be straight up with them & tell them how you feel?

Like when you ignore somebody & just don't care it's the worst feeling ever. If you don't like something just be straight up.
Now that you switched so much it's actually worrying me even though I know it shouldn't be that way.

I kinda feel it how you felt straight away. But I just can't help it myself"

 

[soulforge]

How do I respond to this text of hers??

"I know you're busy but can I ask you something? I don't want to sound like I'm begging or something. But if you don't like somebody & you spend time with them & get that kinda connection, don't you think it's better to be straight up with them & tell them how you feel?

Like when you ignore somebody & just don't care it's the worst feeling ever. If you don't like something just be straight up.
Now that you switched so much it's actually worrying me even though I know it shouldn't be that way.

I kinda feel it how you felt straight away. But I just can't help it myself"

Any idea how respond back to her text?

I could simply explain that I haven't been ignoring her, considering that she hasn't really texted me with anything to strike a conversation. She messaged me yesterday with a statement, and I simply responded back with a statement.. but I didn't ignore her.

Or should I simply avoid getting into a conversation about it with her, as she will more likely avoid taking any accountability, and say something playful like..

Oh have you been missing me

 

[Atom Smasher]

I’m more inclined to agree with @Pedrito0906. Here’s why:

Women live in a foggy, ethereal dream-world. They don’t understand their own sh!t tests and bad behavior. They are largely unaware of it.

“Pointing out the obvious” is necessary because these things are not obvious to them; only to us. They don’t understand simple cause and effect. Their emotions blind them. Women = chaos and confusion.

By simply pointing out the cause and effect in a detached, factual way, with ZERO elaboration, she receives a sobering slap in the face to wake her up to the fact that her own behavior is the cause.

It’s obvious to us, gents, but not so obvious to them. We must always remember that women by-and-large have very limited self-awareness and they reframe everything to fit their emotions.

I say bring them back to reality. They need to be trained. Not by emotional engagement but by a clear illustration of cause and effect, presented with an IDGAF but cordial attitude. It’s the only way to straighten out their bratty, entitled behavior.

We men tend to bring all sorts of grief upon ourselves by assuming that women think like we do and see things as we see them. We need to teach women that their own behavior has caused the current situation.

They need to know that as Kings, we judge women as to their suitability to be in our lives, and will gladly reject those who fall short of our requirements.

 

[soulforge]

I’m more inclined to agree with @Pedrito0906. Here’s why:

Women live in a foggy, ethereal dream-world. They don’t understand their own sh!t tests and bad behavior. They are largely unaware of it.

“Pointing out the obvious” is necessary because these things are not obvious to them; only to us. They don’t understand simple cause and effect. Their emotions blind them. Women = chaos and confusion.

By simply pointing out the cause and effect in a detached, factual way, with ZERO elaboration, she receives a sobering slap in the face to wake her up to the fact that her own behavior is the cause.

It’s obvious to us, gents, but not so obvious to them. We must always remember that women by-and-large have very limited self-awareness and they reframe everything to fit their emotions.

I say bring them back to reality. They need to be trained. Not by emotional engagement but by a clear illustration of cause and effect, presented with an IDGAF but cordial attitude. It’s the only way to straighten out their bratty, entitled behavior.

We men tend to bring all sorts of grief upon ourselves by assuming that women think like we do and see things as we see them. We need to teach women that their own behavior has caused the current situation.

They need to know that as Kings, we judge women as to their suitability to be in our lives, and will gladly reject those who fall short of our requirements.

So Atom, she has raised the question twice on why I am ignoring?

Do you think I should simply be matter of fact about it and explain to her, that she has not conducted any conversation with me.

Every message she sent me yesterday was a statement, which I did engage with in a limited way.

I kinda feel like just telling her, that nobody has ignored you, you simply haven't made effort to have a conversation, also staying in touch Should be a two way thing, not only me reaching out.

Could be straight up about it with IDGAF attitude and just leave it at that

 

[Atom Smasher]

Yes, I think a simple “Not ignoring. You didn’t seem that interested, so naturally I backed off a bit.”

This cuts to the chase, puts the ball in her court to get real with you. The “naturally” part lets her know loud and clear that it’s reasonable for a man to back away based upon her behavior.

If she blubbers out some long explanation, she’s interested. Your response to that should be a dispassionate “ok cool”.

Anything else and you might reply “It’s for the better. I wish you all the best.”

I believe in just cutting to the chase and avoiding the chess game. Ain’t nobody got time fo dat.

It also makes you stronger because you develop a track record of just dealing with it, settling it right away and moving on either with her or without her.

This cat and mouse sh!t is not acceptable. She conforms to your way or she walks. Cat and mouse means you’re invested.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Or…

“I asked you about Saturday and didn’t get a response. I expect a response when I ask about availability.”

To the point, ruthless and a statement of boundaries and expectations. No chess game, no wondering what’s going on.