I almost killed a grown man, indirectly and over p$ssy

[Barrister]

Woman think like this and do these things to each other all the time. Its why it turns them on when a guy is slaying it.
Game recognizes game.

Now the morality of it is free will. Its a personal choice. That being said OP putting his own sexual strategy first is at the core here. How much does he value this "fren"? Thats up to him.

Not against the law and from an evolutionary standpoint, game and nature does not care about our "pheeellwings"

Yall can sit and berate this man all you want but the nature side doesnt care about your moral opinions. Her ovaries do.
This is how deep the disney paradigm of chivalry and floowers has been ingrained into his friends head. Poor kid

Oh I am not disagreeing that the friend's behavior is also silly and "weak" as the OP put it. But the guy OD'd because of it. It is pretty sick to think that is funny and expect a pat on the back because that happened.

And this isn't about "chivalry and flowers" for a woman. It is more about the fact that as men we show some type of loyalty and care to our male friends -- brothers so to speak. To me, that many times is more important than pvssy. But, it is of course only one man's opinion as they say.

 

[kavi]

OP clearly stated that he didnt post to make it a morality thing on his part or a friend thing.
It was to point out how beta and oneitis almost killed his friend.
It seems the rest made it something he didnt intent.
OP I totally get were you are coming from and you are not wrong. You have to understand you are writing to a group that hasnt quite accepted some hard truths. And those things lead them into alot of frustration

Allow it about the hard truths. There are levels in the game and 99% of men are still at beta level. So I am gonna educate you guys here on the game aspect to this thing and fill in the gaps in the story that OP has left out. OP is free to correct me where I am wrong.

Girl clearly knows OP and friend know each and are likely close.
Girl knows if she sleeps with OP there is a good chance friend is gonna find out.
She knows friend is infatuated with her and will be v upset if he finds out.

Girl sleeps with OP to make drama in her HER little friend group where she is now the center of attention and protagonist of major drama.

OP thinks he is winning and somehow the Alpha to his friends Beta.
Comes to SS to tell everyone how weak his friend is.

By this time girl has already ghosted him due to lacklustre performance both in and outside the bedroom. She knows both OP and friend are beneath her and now she will find more weak souls to feed her ego.

Its not about white-knighting or sugar coating anything. If you wanna know who got played the most it is the OP. He is the most delusional about what is going on here.

But hey, you got some p$ssy. Some might call that Game or Nature. But then by that reckoning even tricking is Game.

 

[Bigpapa]

Well, I disagree completely on this.

If you are trying to get a women into bed with you, you will fail with women long term, it is just a simping strategy.

A guys responsibility is to be the best guy and the womens responsibility is to sleep with the best guy.

Are men spending time on the correct path to excellence that will ATTRACT a woman or are you spending time trying to get better at getting a woman into bed? Its like spend time building a good product or learn to try and sell a crap product to the unsuspecting market?

In the long term the former strategy will win and the latter will yield little to no fruit.

Also, its 2022, there are no 'nice guys' out there like in the 2000s. Almost every guy is red-pilled to some extent. Few guys are being friendzoned etc.

THERE IS NO VALUE IN GETTING A WOMAN INTO BED WITH YOU. SHE HAS TO COME INTO YOUR BED BECAUSE YOU ARE THE BEST GUY OUTSIDE OF THE BEDROOM. NO GETTING HER TO YOUR PLACE WITH EXCUSES. NO KINO. NO SLEAZY SEX TALK.

All the above is simping and WOMEN KNOW IT.

OP is not ruthless he is a SIMP. He is not even dominating this girl emotionally or psychologically, she isnt contributing to his goals or system, she is not adding value or respect to his life in any way so wtf did he get nothing but a ****-show of a story.

kinda disagree with you here

I think that guys have to learn to be good with girls . Most guys s8ck when it comes to girls

what I can say is that women usually will just reject( at least the quality ones ) you if you have too much of a playerish vibe and nothing else happening in your life , so I do not see how guys sleeping mostly with low quality women can mess it for the rest

Women just like men either go mental when problems occur , either will toughen up ( be less naive ) . Mostly will get mental problems

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think most of you are missing the point entirely. This post is not meant to shed light on my character nor is it meant to evaluate the integrity of “male friendships”. It’s to shed light on the fact that emotional attachment to a woman can be weak, dangerous, and may cost you your life.

Of course you don't want it to shed light on your character. I wouldn't either if I was you.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Men say that all the time but few men actually live up to it. The thirst is real.

Bros before Hos is the biggest load of garbage out there. Even your best friend will quickly betray you if a woman of a high enough quality came along.

I was in a fraternity in college and they sell the whole lie about being a bro. What I found was that most dudes in the fraternity, you will not care for. The few you care for, you will become friends with. However, as soon as a hot girl shows interest, those same dudes will ditch you for a date with her or just go with what she says. Now this is in a system that is supposed to encourage you to be close with your fellow man. Same can be said of any other form of make sphere. All of these Manosphere guys will turn on each other as soon as a hot girl gets involved and shows them even a slight bit of interest.

Male friendships are largely a farce. The only time they work is if you two are working on something together and need each other to succeed. Now this is why the military fosters close bonds, because you need your fellow man to survive. Sure, some guys will stay in touch afterwards but even in that situation, I will venture to say that men will choose wealth and beautiful woman over "being a bro" or whatever.

To a much lesser extent, a wing you meet serves the same purpose. You two are working towards the same thing and as a result, you become "friends". However, you find that just like with any other task you work on guys with, once that is over, you go your own way and usually fall off. Sure you might chat here and there but it's not really the same.

Anyone trying to sell you the snakeoil of male friendship has an ulterior motive. Most men are out to snatch up stuff you have earned, especially if it is a beautiful woman.

Male "friendships" are built on a common goal you two are working on. If that is not involved, it rarely is that much of a friendship.

 

[member160761]

Allow it about the hard truths. There are levels in the game and 99% of men are still at beta level. So I am gonna educate you guys here on the game aspect to this thing and fill in the gaps in the story that OP has left out. OP is free to correct me where I am wrong.

Girl clearly knows OP and friend know each and are likely close.
Girl knows if she sleeps with OP there is a good chance friend is gonna find out.
She knows friend is infatuated with her and will be v upset if he finds out.

Girl sleeps with OP to make drama in her HER little friend group where she is now the center of attention and protagonist of major drama.

OP thinks he is winning and somehow the Alpha to his friends Beta.
Comes to SS to tell everyone how weak his friend is.

By this time girl has already ghosted him due to lacklustre performance both in and outside the bedroom. She knows both OP and friend are beneath her and now she will find more weak souls to feed her ego.

Its not about white-knighting or sugar coating anything. If you wanna know who got played the most it is the OP. He is the most delusional about what is going on here.

But hey, you got some p$ssy. Some might call that Game or Nature. But then by that reckoning even tricking is Game.

Is it even allowed to be this based?

 

[Barrister]

Bros before Hos is the biggest load of garbage out there. Even your best friend will quickly betray you if a woman of a high enough quality came along.

I was in a fraternity in college and they sell the whole lie about being a bro. What I found was that most dudes in the fraternity, you will not care for. The few you care for, you will become friends with. However, as soon as a hot girl shows interest, those same dudes will ditch you for a date with her or just go with what she says. Now this is in a system that is supposed to encourage you to be close with your fellow man. Same can be said of any other form of make sphere. All of these Manosphere guys will turn on each other as soon as a hot girl gets involved and shows them even a slight bit of interest.

Male friendships are largely a farce. The only time they work is if you two are working on something together and need each other to succeed. Now this is why the military fosters close bonds, because you need your fellow man to survive. Sure, some guys will stay in touch afterwards but even in that situation, I will venture to say that men will choose wealth and beautiful woman over "being a bro" or whatever.

To a much lesser extent, a wing you meet serves the same purpose. You two are working towards the same thing and as a result, you become "friends". However, you find that just like with any other task you work on guys with, once that is over, you go your own way and usually fall off. Sure you might chat here and there but it's not really the same.

Anyone trying to sell you the snakeoil of male friendship has an ulterior motive. Most men are out to snatch up stuff you have earned, especially if it is a beautiful woman.

Male "friendships" are built on a common goal you two are working on. If that is not involved, it rarely is that much of a friendship.

I agree with you that most men typically don't follow through and practice what they preach on the whole "bros before hoes" idea. But let's keep this in perspective. This isn't a story over OP and his friend going to a bar and him swooping in to take the cute girl at the bar home that his friend was also angling for and friend gets irritated but they go get a beer later that week and they move on. His friend OD'd because he was so devastated and then OP came on here and said he "got a laugh" from it to a bunch of guys he doesn't know on an internet message board. Does that not strike you as a little on the spectrum? Not exactly your standard violation of bros before hoes that we have all experienced - that is truly borderline behavior if he was indeed "friends" with this guy.

I can't imagine ever feeling okay with the situation let alone coming onto SS and bragging about it. But I digress.

 

[Bigpapa]

Jesse gets it. Probably gets poon too

if this is the absolute truth , then it means that in places like this guys actually talk sh1t and want to see guys fail

I find the type of men who would not put bros over hoes are either frustrated sexually , either they are more on psychopathic side of things .

The OP for sure has some psychopathic tendencies for liking causing pain to other people

as a rule , you have to be careful with whom you befriend . Usually guys who are frustrated sexually are not reliable friends , and will actually secretly despise you and would want to see you fail

and also as a 2nd rule , you do not talk about girls with guys who are not decently successful themselves . Otherwise they will start hating you
For your success

 

[Epicwinguy]

So is emotional attachment to p$ssy. This whole scenario seems like a ****-show.

I dont advise men to be bragging about casual sex. Its disgusting, both the act and the bragging. And men need to stop lying that they dont want relationships.

Women mostly do the casual thing with loser guys. I know this from multiple different 'sources'.

Most men do want two things. Casual sex and relationships. Higher quality men mostly want relationships, it doesnt need to be monogamous.

Guys who 'supply' women with casual sex are mostly the low-quality guys who are messing it up for all other guys. If women didnt have access to casual sex and men not being able to say no to that, they would be forced to behave better in relationships. For men, it really is about understanding that casual sex is really for younger inexperienced men, losers, and it creates problem across the board.

Its disgusting that OP is humble bragging about how he "almost killed a grown man" lol this whole thing is a ****-show much like the current dating market and the secrets and mysteries of all the low end loser guys women have ****ed that they will never admit to.

I want sex more than relationships. I have no idea where the morons on this forum get their ideas from.

 

[Bigpapa]

I want sex more than relationships. I have no idea where the morons on this forum get their ideas from.

He mentioned that a relationship is not necessarily a monogamous one

open relationship or fwb are sweet spot . Just sex with different women all the time is very time consuming , and unless you do not do this full time, you will not have time and energy to fill up the funnel all the time

to not require any type of relationship you will need a new girl at least 1 per week . Unless you do not drop the standards , I do not see how you can reach that number

and then the question is , it is better to bang a 4 instead to have a fwb with a 7 ?

I think the answer is obvious

 

[Gamisch]

Jesse gets it. Probably gets poon too

Nobody can argue with you about each man gotta go for his own, and that bros before hoes might be a fantasy. But I'll repeat; where I grew up (Caribbean ) there were alot of so called "alpha's" , and I've seen that they:
1. Reject the woman, tell their buddy/bro and maintain the bond.
2. Accept it , reluctantly, because female nature is known and expected.
3. Fight, shoot stab kill each other and do time.

I would think over here we aim for point 1, maybe 2. But never 3.

Let me tell yall this :if you were my friend, looked out for me ,got my back when I needed you ect, I'll be damned if ima fck your woman and make you OD.

At the end of it all, it's about the bigger picture. Sure ,trust, especially in women , might get you burned, but If you dont know what trust is among your fellow men, then you will never rise and forever be chasing low hanging fruit and walking behind your D. Hence why no woman will ever look at you as more then a walking stick or atm.

You guys probably never seen point 1 in real life. There are such thing as self control and morals. Some of us still have them...

 

[Epicwinguy]

He mentioned that a relationship is not necessarily a monogamous one

open relationship or fwb are sweet spot . Just sex with different women all the time is very time consuming , and unless you do not do this full time, you will not have time and energy to fill up the funnel all the time

to not require any type of relationship you will need a new girl at least 1 per week . Unless you do not drop the standards , I do not see how you can reach that number

and then the question is , it is better to bang a 4 instead to have a fwb with a 7 ?

I think the answer is obvious

What's your idea of a 4? Lol. I've seen guys post pictures of "1's" that I would think of as at least a 7

 

[Gamisch]

I am surprisingly happy to read this thread, it kinda shows most men are at least morally grounded. . OP thought he would get some shoulder taps, but got burned in his own thread. Why?Because most dudes here operate from a logical, alpha/leader point of view and an abundance mindset .

@stringpuller I'd like you to react to my previous post. Have you never seen a guy say no to pvssy( I assume you never did ,so maybe someone around you?).never ever?

 

[Bigpapa]

What's your idea of a 4? Lol. I've seen guys post pictures of "1's" that I would think of as at least a 7

that sounds very sad actually , but I am not judging you

People can do whatever they want , when they want .

My only remark is that I do not like when people chat sh1t

 

[Bigpapa]

I am surprisingly happy to read this thread, it kinda shows most men are at least morally grounded. . OP thought he would get some shoulder taps, but got burned in his own thread. Why?Because most dudes here operate from a logical, alpha/leader point of view and an abundance mindset .

@stringpuller I'd like you to react to my previous post. Have you never seen a guy say no to pvssy( I assume you never did ,so maybe someone around you?).never ever?

everyone heard about the battle of Thermopylae , where the spartan forces ( and some other Greek soldiers ) kept the passage for enough time that the Greeks can mobilize properly and eventually win the war

basically the 300 spartan last stand . With your shield in your hands or on top of it ( meaning you either come victorious , either you come back dead )

1000 years later , the Greeks faced the Huns and instead of doing the same thing like their ancestors , they just fled . The huns came in and pillaged and raped . And a dark age came for everyone

basically all the time there were men with morals ( Spartans ) vs man of no morals ( cowards )

the funny thing is that when the huns invaded , Greece was going through a feminist movement ( just like nowadays ) where men became so weak that basically lacked any principles

People without principles are dangerous , and usually they sell for very cheap prices too

 

[SW15]

Bros before Hos is the biggest load of garbage out there. Even your best friend will quickly betray you if a woman of a high enough quality came along.

Very true.

I was in a fraternity in college and they sell the whole lie about being a bro. What I found was that most dudes in the fraternity, you will not care for. The few you care for, you will become friends with. However, as soon as a hot girl shows interest, those same dudes will ditch you for a date with her or just go with what she says. Now this is in a system that is supposed to encourage you to be close with your fellow man. Same can be said of any other form of make sphere. All of these Manosphere guys will turn on each other as soon as a hot girl gets involved and shows them even a slight bit of interest.

Agree

Male friendships are largely a farce. The only time they work is if you two are working on something together and need each other to succeed. Now this is why the military fosters close bonds, because you need your fellow man to survive. Sure, some guys will stay in touch afterwards but even in that situation, I will venture to say that men will choose wealth and beautiful woman over "being a bro" or whatever.

Anyone trying to sell you the snakeoil of male friendship has an ulterior motive. Most men are out to snatch up stuff you have earned, especially if it is a beautiful woman.

Male "friendships" are built on a common goal you two are working on. If that is not involved, it rarely is that much of a friendship.

It's all true. Male "friendships" do need to be more about picking up chicks. It's great if attraction/seduction/pickup are common interests, but more is needed. There needs to be at least one more common interest, such as playing tennis, going fishing, or having had the same major in college and working in the same field.

 

[Knight of Roses]

LOL. I'm just trying to tell y'all to not OD over some p$ssy. But hell, if ya wanna take some extras from the thread, go for it.

 

[kavi]

Well this is an interesting thread. I suppose we are talking about the value of casual sex vs other conflicting factors.

OP hasnt chimed on any further background on the social circle or friend group involved. I am confident it is all more complicated and nuanced than either he understands or is letting on.

An important question would be how did the friend find out? Maybe the girl wanted it to come out so she can enjoy the ****show she created.

In evaluating situations and asking whether a guy is in the Alpha or Beta position, one simple way is too look at who is the main protagonist of the story that everything revolves around. In this case it is the girl, not OP. She is the star of the show who called the shots and he is just a side actor in HER story. That makes a guy beta.

And that was kinda my main point about not overvaluing sex. Sex, especially casual sex is being used against men to make them weaker and more beta. OP is critising friend but that is clearly a weak guy which doesnt need much discussion. I am making it clear that OP has taken the feminine ie supplicating position of being a side character in the machinations and schemes of a crazy narcisstic woman.

 

[kavi]

Also, on a more important note. Some of the posters here who have critised me I imagine to have very limited game and real Alpha characteristics.

To tell you a bit about me. I NEVER come across any guy who is better with women than myself. I live in London. I can evaluate men and women very easily just based on simple little things like body language, posture, walk, style, awareness etc. My Game level, looks, intelligence and masculinity are super sky high but I just look like a friendly non-intimidating guy to most other men so they dont really 'notice' me as a threat or anything.

In my younger days I did want to get laid and for that I had to mostly go p2p. Getting laid seemed to go against my nature. I dont like to put in 'work', play the numbers game, be put under pressure etc. I could be aggressive but rarely to get laid. It just felt like simping.

Now, my game level and confidence are super-high. I planned on doing this polygamy thing with these hot women that have a similar background to me. 50% of my interactions with women have been with those of a similar ethnic background. But (up until recently) girls from this background in the UK had been doing casual sex with white and particularly black guys. It had got to the point where all the girls from this ethnic group had cucked their own guys so bad I was regularly seeing younger girls out on dates with black guys, so not just the casual sex thing now which was mostly hidden and secret. Now the black guys had been given this special 'status' and they were being given a lot of free and easy love by these women. Many of the black guys loved it would humble brag and talk down our girls and our boys.

Well, the game is the game and a guy like me at the top of the game can easily overcome such a fake challenge. The girls I was talking to about this polygamy thing,2 of them, plus my sister who is friends with them, I let them know I was not happy with this position of black guys. That is meant to be my position. I told them I am that guy and that is my glory. No black guy is on my level so whats going on here why are these girls messin with these low quality guys.

Additionally, I 'confronted' two girls on the subway around this time who were with black guys. One couple was around 20. I spoke to both of them. I told the girl my ppl are better than black guys. It sounds aggressive to you guys but I was running a type of game. This **** can only work if the women truly believe you are better than those other guys. When I walked away from that couple the girl was so impressed and giddy I could hear her laughter from quite far away. I know both girls respected my game and how I let them know I wasnt gonna be played by them. I am not that guy.

Well, girls talk. And if you have affected 5 girls in one city who all share cultural background then you've affected them all. This was a pandemic cos all the girls were doing it and around that time I couldnt go out without seeing a brown girl with a black guy. Within a few weeks I am now seeing NONE.

I am probably gonna be famous in some capacity due being able to provide women with value and hence building a group or community or getting involved in politics. Women respect me, respect my game and know I am hot.

I am gonna be using all the power I have and will have to make sure loser beta male pickup artist guys are not getting laid. Right now its just me, but when there are others like me the effect will be massive. I dont know how big this can get but it has definitely affected a decent sized community in London.

When me and guys like me create value for women, and make this into some kind of movement, it will just be the end of any other type of guy getting laid other than in a relationship.

 

[Bigpapa]

Also, on a more important note. Some of the posters here who have critised me I imagine to have very limited game and real Alpha characteristics.

To tell you a bit about me. I NEVER come across any guy who is better with women than myself. I live in London. I can evaluate men and women very easily just based on simple little things like body language, posture, walk, style, awareness etc. My Game level, looks, intelligence and masculinity are super sky high but I just look like a friendly non-intimidating guy to most other men so they dont really 'notice' me as a threat or anything.

In my younger days I did want to get laid and for that I had to mostly go p2p. Getting laid seemed to go against my nature. I dont like to put in 'work', play the numbers game, be put under pressure etc. I could be aggressive but rarely to get laid. It just felt like simping.

Now, my game level and confidence are super-high. I planned on doing this polygamy thing with these hot women that have a similar background to me. 50% of my interactions with women have been with those of a similar ethnic background. But (up until recently) girls from this background in the UK had been doing casual sex with white and particularly black guys. It had got to the point where all the girls from this ethnic group had cucked their own guys so bad I was regularly seeing younger girls out on dates with black guys, so not just the casual sex thing now which was mostly hidden and secret. Now the black guys had been given this special 'status' and they were being given a lot of free and easy love by these women. Many of the black guys loved it would humble brag and talk down our girls and our boys.

Well, the game is the game and a guy like me at the top of the game can easily overcome such a fake challenge. The girls I was talking to about this polygamy thing,2 of them, plus my sister who is friends with them, I let them know I was not happy with this position of black guys. That is meant to be my position. I told them I am that guy and that is my glory. No black guy is on my level so whats going on here why are these girls messin with these low quality guys.

Additionally, I 'confronted' two girls on the subway around this time who were with black guys. One couple was around 20. I spoke to both of them. I told the girl my ppl are better than black guys. It sounds aggressive to you guys but I was running a type of game. This **** can only work if the women truly believe you are better than those other guys. When I walked away from that couple the girl was so impressed and giddy I could hear her laughter from quite far away. I know both girls respected my game and how I let them know I wasnt gonna be played by them. I am not that guy.

Well, girls talk. And if you have affected 5 girls in one city who all share cultural background then you've affected them all. This was a pandemic cos all the girls were doing it and around that time I couldnt go out without seeing a brown girl with a black guy. Within a few weeks I am now seeing NONE.

I am probably gonna be famous in some capacity due being able to provide women with value and hence building a group or community or getting involved in politics. Women respect me, respect my game and know I am hot.

I am gonna be using all the power I have and will have to make sure loser beta male pickup artist guys are not getting laid. Right now its just me, but when there are others like me the effect will be massive. I dont know how big this can get but it has definitely affected a decent sized community in London.

When me and guys like me create value for women, and make this into some kind of movement, it will just be the end of any other type of guy getting laid other than in a relationship.

what ethnicity are you ?